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    U.S. Set for a Crackdown on Illegal

    U.S. Set for a Crackdown on Illegal
    1. By JULIA PRESTON
    Published: August 8, 2007

    In a new effort to crack down on illegal immigrants, federal authorities are expected to announce tough rules this week that would require employers to fire workers who use false Social Security numbers.
    Officials said the rules would be backed up by stepped-up raids on workplaces across the country that employ illegal immigrants.

    After first proposing the rules last year, Department of Homeland Security officials said they held off finishing them to await the outcome of the debate in Congress over a sweeping immigration bill. That measure, which was supported by President Bush, died in the Senate in June.

    Now administration officials are signaling that they intend to clamp down on employers of illegal immigrants even without a new immigration law to offer legal status to millions of illegal immigrants already in the workforce.

    The approach is expected to play well with conservatives who have long demanded that the administration do more to enforce existing immigration laws, but it could also lead to renewed pressure from businesses on Congress to provide legal status for an estimated six million unauthorized immigrant workers.

    We are tough and we are going to be even tougher,Russ Knocke, the spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security, said yesterday. There are not going to be any more excuses for employers, and there will be serious consequences for those that choose to blatantly disregard the law.

    Experts said the new rules represented a major tightening of the immigration enforcement system, in which employers for decades have paid little attention to notices, known as no-match letters, from the Social Security Administration advising that workers names and numbers did not match the agency records.

    Illegal workers often provide employers with false Social Security numbers to qualify for a job.

    Employers, especially in agriculture and low-wage industries, said they were deeply worried about the new rules, which could force them to lay off thousands of immigrant workers. More than 70 percent of farmworkers in the fields of the United States are illegal immigrants, according to estimates by growers associations.

    Across the employer community people are scared, confused, holding their breath,said Craig Regelbrugge, co-chairman of the Agriculture Coalition for Immigration Reform, a trade organization. Given what we know about the demographics of our labor force, since we are approaching peak season, people are particularly on edge.

    The expected regulations would give employers a fixed period, perhaps up to 90 days, to resolve any discrepancies between identity information provided by their workers and the records of the Social Security Administration. If workersdocuments cannot be verified, employers would be required to fire them or risk up to $10,000 in fines for knowingly hiring illegal immigrants.

    Immigrant rights groups and labor unions, including the A.F.L.-C.I.O., predicted the rules would unleash discrimination against Hispanic workers. They said they were preparing legal challenges to try to stop them from taking effect.

    Some Republican lawmakers welcomed the administration stance. they shut off the jobs magnet in the workplace in a way that shows they are serious about restoring the rule of law, then I’m encouraged said Representative Steve King of Iowa.

    The new rules codify an uneasy partnership between the Department of Homeland Security, which enforces the immigration laws, and the Social Security Administration, which collects identity information from W-2 tax forms of about 250 million workers each year, so it can credit the earnings in its system.

    Mark Hinkle, a spokesman for Social Security, said the agency expected to send out about 140,000 no-match letters to employers this year, covering more than eight million workers. After the rules are announced, the agency is anticipating a surge in requests from employers seeking to clarify workers information, Mr. Hinkle said.

    Social Security issues letters only to employers who have more than 10 workers whose numbers do not match, when those workers represent at least one-half of 1 percent of the company workforce, Mr. Hinkle said.
    The agency cannot verify which mismatches came from immigrants who presented false Social Security numbers when they applied for jobs, he said. Mismatches also occur because of clerical errors, or when workers marry and forget to inform Social Security that they changed their names. Several federal studies in recent years have found significant error rates in the Social Security database.

    We don’t know and we don’t speculate about the reasons for mismatches, Mr. Hinkle said. The new rules will clarify steps employers can take to avoid being accused of knowingly hiring illegal immigrants, officials said. According to the draft, employers would be given 14 days after receiving a no-match letter to check for clerical errors and consult with the employee to correct mistakes. If the discrepancies are eliminated and new, valid work papers are filed within the fixed period, employers would enjoy a safe harbor from penalties.

    The rules proposed last year brought a storm of criticism from both employers and workers groups. In a formal comment, the A.F.L.-C.I.O. said the rules would harm all workers regardless of immigration status.The enforcement is only on the immigration side, Ana Avenda, associate general counsel for the A.F.L.-C.I.O, said yesterday. They don’t do any labor inspection. So they are just giving employers another tool to repress workers rights.

    Even large companies that do not hire many low-skilled immigrants would be affected by the rules, lawyers said.

    There is going to be a big change for almost every company, said Cynthia J. Lange, an immigration lawyer in California.

    Muzaffar A. Chishti, a director of the Migration Policy Institute, a nonpartisan research group, said, this is strictly enforced there could be massive layoffs of workers. But Mr. Chishti said that illegal immigrant workers might not leave the labor force but would apply for jobs at other businesses using the same invalid documents. He predicted the market for forged documents would grow.

    A lot of employers are saying, We just can’t handle this, said Laura Reiff, co-chairwoman of the Essential Worker Immigration Coalition, which represents employers in low-skilled industries. She said the rules might lead to new pressure from business on Congress to reconsider measures granting legal status to illegal immigrants.
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    In a new effort to crack down on illegal immigrants, federal authorities are expected to announce tough rules this week that would require employers to fire workers who use false Social Security numbers.
    Officials said the rules would be backed up by stepped-up raids on workplaces across the country that employ illegal immigrants.

    After first proposing the rules last year, Department of Homeland Security officials said they held off finishing them to await the outcome of the debate in Congress over a sweeping immigration bill. That measure, which was supported by President Bush, died in the Senate in June.

    Now administration officials are signaling that they intend to clamp down on employers of illegal immigrants even without a new immigration law to offer legal status to millions of illegal immigrants already in the workforce.

    The approach is expected to play well with conservatives who have long demanded that the administration do more to enforce existing immigration laws, but it could also lead to renewed pressure from businesses on Congress to provide legal status for an estimated six million unauthorized immigrant workers.

    We are tough and we are going to be even tougher,Russ Knocke, the spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security, said yesterday. There are not going to be any more excuses for employers, and there will be serious consequences for those that choose to blatantly disregard the law.
    To little too late.... I want administration officials in the Bush government hauled before congress prior to charges filed in federal court for selectively enforcing the laws on the book.

    This is not incompetance and is nothing more than deriliction of Duty

    Every one involved all the way up to the president needs to answer what is in thier job discription ... and why do they not understand it... I want fingers to point to the individual (s) reponsable for these corrupt acts and we will take it from there
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    provide legal status for an estimated six million unauthorized immigrant workers.

    One minute it's twelve million illegals the next minute it's six.
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    It is probably more like 20 million and they are not including the anchor babies. If you look around you they have tripled since 2006. I am not holding my breath on this one. I am just hoping that something big does not have to happen to get Washington to open their eyes. Washington is responsible for making it right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoinTheFight
    provide legal status for an estimated six million unauthorized immigrant workers.

    One minute it's twelve million illegals the next minute it's six.
    If there's only 6 mil. illegals here, why are they in the news so much? Why are we told about major problems that will arise if the illegals are gone? Hogwash! We know full well that we have at a minimum 20 million illegals in the US, and I would venture to say 30 mil. wouldn't be far fetched.

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    You and i and everybody else knows it but you know how they like to down play it.
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    People are raising good questions about the varying estimates, so I'll add just a note or two to help explain things a bit.

    The difference (or different number) cited, is because not all the illegals actually *work* here. Although, there *might be* (officially - har, har) 12 mil. illegals, only about 7 million of them have meaningful jobs. Which means, by sheer estimation, that there are 5 million people 'packaged up' in the illegal population that don't work (eg. most likely, are family members, etc). As most people here believe, the 12 million estimate for the illegal population is very likely a grossly biased underestimate (how does the US Census count people, that, by their very existence here, do not want to be counted and often use multiple aliases?).

    Bottom line: let common sense be your guide. If it looks like too many, and if it sounds like too many, and if it smells like..., well, ok, you get the idea.
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