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House Democrats chew on Senate immigration bill
BlueGrassPolitics
February 2, 2011
By John Cheves
FRANKFORT — House Democrats on Wednesday began the process of talking Senate Republicans’ illegal immigration bill to a standstill, with much discussion about its potential cost but no vote scheduled.
“We can’t just be emotional and have vile hatred at work. We have to look at the fiscal implications, that’s what we’re required to do,â€
“We’re not allowed to ask about their immigration status,â€
This means nothing without border lock down.
[quote="airdale"]“We’re not allowed to ask about their immigration status,â€
Border patrol adjents should reture fire. If I through a rock at a cop in any american city, the cop will kill me dead. It should be no different on the border. ALL US BORDERS.
Welcome to Alipac gitthehellout I love your user name, tell everyone you love we're here and throw a couple a bucks to Alipac if you can we're going to win this thing! "Do you know why?"
Cause you're here!
We can not wait for the Feds to take ACTION; the longer we wait the more difficult it becomes. The struggle against ILLEGALS will have to be fought at the State and Local level if and until the Feds decide to Secure our Borders and Enforce our Immigration Laws!Quote:
Originally Posted by gitthehellout
I think I have expressed this before. The problem for at least the last 25 years is too many Elitist Politicians from both major Political Parties have been willing to turn the United States into a welfare state to insure most of our citizens obtain Third World status by importing ILLEGALS for cheap labor to take United States Citizen’s jobs for their Political Contributors and Special Interest Groups or outsourcing United States Citizen’s jobs to Third World Countries. Too many U.S. Citizens are wrapped up into winning one for their political party and our nation's survival becomes secondary to PARTY Loyalty!
The best way to eliminate border crossing is to put electric fences all the way to the Mexico border line on each sides of the border!!! Then see how much fence scaling will occur. :D
[i]“A fiscal impact statement prepared by the legislature’s nonpartisan staff last month estimated the bill could cost state and local governments $90 million and save $50 million, for a net cost of $40 million a year. Jail and prison costs combined were estimated at $49 million.â€
John, Thanks for the following information source and for argument sake we assume your 40 is correct and the Commonwealth decides not to take any action to protect their Citizens to avoid the 40 cost while other states decide to protect.
http://www.lrc.ky.gov/record/11RS/SB6.htm
An assumption would be for more ILLEGALS to enter Kentucky instead of the 25% leaving to avoid arrest increasing the state’s cost of placing out the welcome mat for the ILLEGALS, again see California.
You could also assume that a percentage of the ILLEGALS would plead guilty avoiding some of the 2.6 judicial costs and any case the ILLEGALS convicted of the felony could be deported before they begin their prison time saving a good portion of 23 prison cost.
But as in your document the fiscal numbers may well be indeterminable and some may well believe it is not worth what ever amount of money it cost to protect Citizens.
Even more serious, at least in my opinion, than the Economic Crimes is the fact that Our FAMILIES are at the mercy of ILLEGALS and their anchors being murdered, raped, infected with disease, or robbed. We can see the results of the ILLEGAL invasion in our courts every day, again not certain of the monetary cost of the court! But NOT to worry the Chamber of Commerce, Political Contributors, and other Special Interest Groups will get their cheap labor increasing their PROFITS while socializing the benefits for their ILLEGALS on the back of U. S. and Kentucky Citizens, thanks to our past and current Presidents, the Congressional Leadership(?), and local elected and appointed officials!
http://bluegrasspolitics.bloginky.com/2 ... tion-bill/
For some reason my above response to "John Doe" was not displayed in the comment section.
http://bluegrasspolitics.bloginky.com/2 ... tion-bill/
Kentucky
Summary Demographic State Data (and Source)
Population (2008 CB est.): 4,269,245
Population (2000 Census): 4,041,769
Foreign-Born Population (2008 FAIR est.): 122,090
Foreign-Born Population (2007 Census): 80,271
Share Foreign-Born (2008): 2.9%
Share Foreign-Born (2000): 2.0%
Immigrant Stock (2000 CB est.): 180,000
Share Immigrant Stock (2000 est.): 4.5%
Naturalized U.S. Citizens (2006 CB est.): 40,936
Share Naturalized (2006): 36.6%
Legal Immigrant Admission (DHS 1997-2006): 35,146
Refugee Admission (DHS 1997-2006) 12,061
Illegal Alien Population (2008 FAIR est.): 45,000
Costs of Illegal Aliens (2005 FAIR) $67,000,000
Projected 2050 Population (2006 FAIR) 5,272,842
While Kentucky hasn't yet suffered the explosive population growth that other parts of the south have, demographic indicators show that it's headed in that direction. Dramatic population growth projections in Fayette and twelve surrounding counties - 45 percent by 2030, according to a state demographer - have local leaders concerned that the region can't handle the influx. Anderson, Garrad, and Scott counties are expected to more than double their populations by 2030. No one knows how the state will deliver water to the newcomers, and no major new roads have been planned to accommodate the population increase.
Steve have you attempted to post the above or any comment to the source article, my last comment was not displayed on the source, I wonder if it is just me or everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by stevetheroofer
I was informed by "John Doe" via comment on the article that the state of Kentucky was using the following for their numbers:
http://www.lrc.ky.gov/record/11RS/SB6.htm
These numbers are from 05 it is much worse now!
And No I didn't post I brought this out if you wanted to post them facts.
http://twg2a.files.wordpress.com/2010/1 ... ystate.jpg
This is an newer fact sheet, the real number is 114billion
House debates immigration bill
Posted by avanbenschoten 02/02/11, 9:12 pm
FRANKFORT – A legislative panel debated Wednesday whether a controversial immigration proposal would be too costly for local governments and jails.
The bill, sponsored by Sen. John Schickel, R-Union, a former Boone County jailer and U.S. marshal, would empower local law enforcement officials to enforce federal immigration laws.
After lawfully stopping someone for a suspected crime, police would be able to verify his or her immigration status. If the person is determined to be in the country illegally, he or she could be arrested and charged with criminal trespassing.
Critics said the measure would amount to an “unfunded mandateâ€
Jean, Thanks for the link:
http://cincinnati.com/blogs/nkypolitics ... s=d&page=1
The Pro-ILLEGAL Politicians seem to be searching for reasons not to protect their Citizens. In Kentucky in the past few weeks they have used the expected loss of a supposed 16,000 jobs from the Head Start program up to and including they can not afford to spend the money to protect Cuitizens.
Follow KENTUCKY Legislation here
http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-225425.html
Interesting that in the comment section of the source article there seems to be 4 commenter’s issuing PRO-ILLEGAL comments and backing each others comments or just 1 with 4 ID's.
http://cincinnati.com/blogs/nkypolitics ... s=d&page=1
Too many Special Interest Groups supporting the ILLEGALS with their comments on the source article:
http://cincinnati.com/blogs/nkypolitics ... s=d&page=1
The Elitists Special Interest Groups who pretend to stand for Social Justice are no more concerned about the ILLEGALS than they are for United States Citizens; they are also the quickest and loudest to attack anyone who wants Our National Borders Secured and our Immigration Laws Enforced. JUST FOLLOW THE MONEY!
The only reason it is still against the law to refuse service to the ILLEGALS is because the Special Interest Groups and ILLEGAL EMPLOYERS who benefit financially from their ILLEGALS are Political Contributors to our Elitist Politicians and want the U.S. Taxpayers to continue to furnish this as a benefit for their ILLEGALS; these are the same Elitist Special Interest Groups who direct their ILLEGALS to utilize the Hospitals Emergency Rooms as their family doctor for "free" after all it only an expense to the U.S. Taxpayers and just adds PROFIT to the bottom lines of the ILLEGAL EMPLOYERS and of course the ILLEGALS do consider it a benefit for being an ILLEGAL.
Of course the more the Elitist Special Interest Groups financially benefit from the ILLEGALS the more money that is poured into the coffers of the Elitist Politicians to support the ILLEGALS but this is really not new, the Chamber of Commerce has always been working in support of the ILLEGALS. The ILLEGALS are comfortable with pushing ahead of everyone else including U.S. Citizens who do not receive the same preferential treatment in all areas. U.S. Citizens have already lost “entry levelâ€