Thread: Does Hillary Have a More Conservative Position on Illegal Im

Does Hillary Have a More Conservative Position on Illegal Immigration than Rudy?

December 21, 2007 4:26 PM
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Giuliani's position on illegal immigration, as best I can discern from his statements and talking to his campaign:

1. Fence -- "We should do it by having a fence, a technological fence, as well as a physical fence, but the technological fence is more important. It should be used to alert the Border Patrol of the people coming to the border, and we should stop people from coming in." (Dec. 9 debate)

2. Tamper-proof ID card -- "Then we should have a tamper-proof ID card that everybody can get who wants to come into the United States legally. We should accomplish that. When we accomplish that, when we have control of our borders, when we preserve the legality of immigration, we can then turn to the people that are here. We can have them get the tamper-proof ID card." (Dec 9 debate)

3. Registration -- "The people that come forward can sign up." (Dec. 9 debate)

4. Taxes -- "They can pay taxes, and then the people who don't are the people who are really the cause of concern." (Dec. 9 debate)

5. Expel those who aren't cooperating -- "Those people should be expelled from the United States if they don't already leave." (Dec. 9 debate)

6. Expel criminals -- He often says any criminals (other than the criminality of being in the country illegally) need to be expelled immediately.

7. Fine -- "They should have to pay a penalty, because there should not be amnesty. It's a civil wrong. Civil wrongs are compensated by paying penalties." (March 23 interview with ABC News' Teddy Davis.)

8. Back taxes -- "They should pay the back taxes." (March 23 interview)

9. Learn -- "And if you ultimately find a way to make them citizens, then there should be a very, very strong requirement that they speak English, read English, write English, and understand American history." (March 23 interview)

Clinton's plan as she described last night:

1. Fence -- "I think we've got to fix our borders. I've been voting for that and saying that for several years. We have to have a tougher border security program, we have to have more technology and personnel along the boarder. We have to know who is coming into our country and keep track of them and keep out people who shouldn't be coming in."

2. Punish employers -- "Secondly, people would not come to this county if they didn't think there would be a job waiting for them. So our employers have to have much tougher penalties and sanctions if they employ people who are here illegally. Because the only way we will convince people not to come is if they know it will be very, very hard to get a job and I think we've got to increase the fines and the sanctions so that it really does cost employers a lot if they hire people who don't have the proper documentation."

3. Improve the situation South of the Border -- "When I'm president I'm going to see what I can do to get all of those countries to our South, all the leaders to create more jobs for their people – people would not leave their families, they would not leave their villages if they thought they had a decent shot at a better life…"

4. Registration -- "I think we have to tell these folks to come out of the shadows and register every single one of them."

5. Expulsion -- "If they committed a crime in the country they came from or in this country we have to deport them immediately, no questions asked, no legal process – you put them on a plane you send 'em back to where they came from. "

6. Back-taxes -- "You have to pay back taxes and I mean all back taxes"

7. Fine -- "You have to pay a fine."

8. Learn -- "You have to try to learn English."

9. Wait -- "You have to wait in line, and you may have to wait in line for 10, 12, 15 years."

10. Keep Your Nose Clean -- "You have to stay out of trouble."

11. Contribute to Society -- "You have to be productive."

"And at the end of that period you could be eligible to be a citizen."

Even if Giuliani's proposal has the tamper-proof ID card, to me it sounds like Clinton's position is more conservative than Giuliani's in that citizenship comes later, employers are punished, the illegal immigrants have to go to the back of the line and wait an extensive period of time, stay out of trouble, and be productive.

Hmmm.

-- jpt



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Watch out for the woman who speaks from both sides of her mouth!!!

Did or did she not vote in favor of the amnesty bill in June??? Please correct me I'm wrong

We all ready have much of this plan in place all ready...

NO NEW COMPERHENSIVE IMMIGRATION BILLS... ENFORCE CURRENT IMMIGRATION lAWS... !!! THAN MOVE TO STRENGTHEN IMMIGRATION LAWS… IN OTHER WORDS SHOW US THE MONEY HONEY… SHOW US WITH YOUR VOTE SENTOR CLITON

Cliton also fails to address the 14th amendment!!! whats her position???

Hillary's plan sounds exactly like the amnesty bill defeated twice earlier this year. I'm sorry, but I do not agree with amnesty under any terms. There are people who have been waiting in line for years for their turn. Those people who have crawled into our country illegally do not deserve to be given anything from this country but a one-way ticket out. I can only hope that the two-faced b**ch will not be elected.

HILLARY IS A LIAR.

She PROMISED THE ILLEGALS she would START HER FIRST WEEK IN OFFICE to get them CITIZENSHIP!!!!!

Watch out for the woman who speaks from both sides of her mouth!!!

Actually I don't think she is talking out her mouth at all.

Originally Posted by Bulldogger

Watch out for the woman who speaks from both sides of her mouth!!!

Actually I don't think she is talking out her mouth at all.

I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING!