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Congress Debates Biblical Stance on Immigration

Congress tackled the role of religion and ethics in the politically explosive immigration debate Wednesday as biblical passages and church doctrines were invoked during a heated discussion of various reform proposals.

The argument exposed a sharp philosophical divide on an issue that has taken center stage in the wake of Arizona's passage of a controversial law designed to crack down on illegal immigration.

"We are so far apart philosophically," one Democratic congresswoman said, that it's hard to see how a middle ground can be found.

The debate occurred during a House Judiciary subcommittee hearing featuring Richard Land, a leader of the Southern Baptist Convention; Bishop Gerald Kicanas from the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops; Mathew Staver, dean of the Liberty University law school; and James Edwards Jr., a fellow at the Center for Immigration Studies.

"Immigration is ultimately a humanitarian issue since it impacts the basic rights and dignity of millions of persons and their families," Kicanas said. "As such, it has moral implications, especially how it impacts the basic survival and decency of life experienced by human beings like us. ... Our current immigration system fails to meet the moral test of protecting the basic rights and dignity of the human person."

Kicanas, who is bishop of the Catholic archdiocese in Tucson, Arizona, noted that thousands of men, women and children have died in the desert over the past decade trying to cross from Mexico into the United States.

The current law has to be changed, he said. "Because of a broken system, immigrant families are being separated. Migrant workers are subject to exploitation by unscrupulous employers, and those attempting to find work by coming north are being abused and taken advantage of by human smugglers."

Most illegal migrants are coming "not for nefarious purposes," but to reconnect with family members or find work, he asserted. "Church teaching acknowledges and upholds the right of a nation to control its borders. (But) it is our view that the best way to secure our southern border is through (comprehensive) immigration reform."

But Texas Rep. Lamar Smith, the Judiciary Committee's top Republican, repeatedly cited passages from the Bible in support of a stronger crackdown on illegal immigration.

"The Bible contains numerous passages that support the rule of law," he asserted. "The scriptures clearly indicate that God charges civil authorities
with preserving order, protecting citizens and punishing wrongdoers."

Smith cited, among other things, Romans 13: "Let every person be subject to governing authorities."

He also noted a passage from Leviticus: "When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong." This, he contended, does not imply that "foreigners should disregard civil laws to enter (the country) or that we should overlook it when they do."

Addressing a passage from Matthew 25 about caring for "the least of these my brothers," Smith contended that it "advocates individual acts of kindness (but) does not mandate a public policy."

"Americans need not repent for wanting to uphold the rule of law and provide jobs for legal workers," he said. "A truly Christian moral approach would be not to acquiesce to illegal immigration, but to work to end it."

Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Illinois, argued that the government is fundamentally "a reflection of who we are," and that there should therefore be little distinction between individual and governmental roles.

"Focus on (the undocumented) families" at the center of the debate, he said. "Let's focus on the human beings."

Iowa GOP Rep. Steve King, however, complained that for many reform advocates the only "biblically acceptable option ... seems to be open borders."

"I didn't realize that the Bible barred the enforcement of immigration laws and neither did I realize that it erased borders, demanded pathways to citizenship for illegal immigrants, or ... forbid the leaders of a nation from caring most about the well-being of its own citizens."

King noted approvingly that "in the land of the Bible the leaders of today's Israel (have) built border fences to protect their citizens from terrorists or illegal job seekers alike."

There is a "greater and more immediate" moral obligation to take care of
U.S. citizens first, he said.

Land asserted that while "we have a crisis," it is not insurmountable.

"I believe that Congress can and should devise a plan to bring (illegal immigrants) out of the shadows. The more protracted the delay in action the more severe the problem will become." Arizona's law is a "symptom" and a "cry for help ... because the federal government has not done its duty" to control the border.

"Some people would argue that it's immoral to enforce our nation's laws," he argued. "I don't think it's fair and I don't think it's right." But once the border is secured, "I believe we have to have a six- to nine-month grace period for people who are here in an undocumented status to come forward, to register, to agree to pay fines, to pay back taxes, to undergo a background check, to learn to read, write (and) speak English, to pass a test that they've done so, and (to) go to the back of the line so that they are not being rewarded."

Turning to conservative critics of the current reform effort, Land said that he does "not believe that you can strain the English language into saying that is amnesty."

CNN's Alan Silverleib and the CNN Wire Staff contributed to this report

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/07/1 ... cs/?hpt=T2

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http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-205792-biblical.html

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http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-205837-biblical.html

http://www.numbersusa.com/content/nusab ... ittee.html


Give Your Pastor This Anti-Amnesty Testimony
http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-205847-biblical.html

Where Does God Stand on Immigration Reform?
http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-205808-biblical.html

I'm pretty sure Jesus would say:

1. Thou shalt not steal government welfare from legal citizens.

2. Thou shalt not covet nor undermine thy neighbors prosperity.

3. Thou shalt observe national sovereignty and keep it holy.

4. Thou shalt respect thy neighbors borders and fences.

5. Thou shalt drive with legal insurance and drivers license.

6. Thou shalt not hit and run.

7. Thou shalt not drink and drive.

8. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's 4 year old for surely it will bring
upon you much hate and gnashing of teeth.

9. Thou shalt not have babies in foreign lands with the sole intent of
having anchor babies that you let run helter skelter through Wal Mart.

10. Thou shalt not steal thy neighbors country.

Def

The current law has to be changed, he said. "Because of a broken system, immigrant families are being separated. Migrant workers are subject to exploitation by unscrupulous employers, and those attempting to find work by coming north are being abused and taken advantage of by human smugglers."

These things don't happen to those who come here legally. It happens to criminals, which illegal aliens are. Shows our immigration system is not broken and needs to be enforced to keep these criminals out.

I think THE TEN COMMANDMENTS pretty much covers illegal immigration.

Thou shalt not steal.

Thou shalt not covet anything of thy neighbors.


And if the ten commandments are not enough, the Golden Rule should make it clear.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Nobody in the world in their right mind wants people illegal immigrating into their nation, therefore DO NOT ILLEGALLY ENTER THE NATIONS OF OTHERS.

W

Originally Posted by miguelina

The current law has to be changed, he said. "Because of a broken system, immigrant families are being separated. Migrant workers are subject to exploitation by unscrupulous employers, and those attempting to find work by coming north are being abused and taken advantage of by human smugglers."

These things don't happen to those who come here legally. It happens to criminals, which illegal aliens are. Shows our immigration system is not broken and needs to be enforced to keep these criminals out.

The words "a broken system" are wrong and the author forgot a word. The correct word for a broken system is greed and the word illegal was conveniently left out. It should read: Because of GREED, ILLEGAL immigrant families are being separated.

W said:

I think THE TEN COMMANDMENTS pretty much covers illegal immigration.

I know but I've been looking for a chance to use the phrase "gnashing of
teeth" for some time now.

Hey twice in one day! nice.

Def

Mayday wrote:
"The words "a broken system" are wrong and the author forgot a word."


According to Ariz. State Senator Russell Pearce, the word the author forgot is "politicans". Sen. Pearce commented recently during an on-air interview with FOX's "On The Record":

"We don't have a broken immigration system. What we have is broken politicians."

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Immigration Reform Examiner Dave Gibson
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On Wednesday, Bishop Gerald Kicanas speaking on behalf of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishop, addressed the House Judiciary subcommittee, and made the following statement: “Immigration is ultimately a humanitarian issue since it impacts the basic rights and dignity of millions of persons and their families. As such, it has moral implications, especially how it impacts the basic survival and decency of life experienced by human beings like us. ... Our current immigration system fails to meet the moral test of protecting the basic rights and dignity of the human person.â€

Illegal activity, drug smuggling, unauthorized employment, unauthorized earnings, stealing other people's SSNs, cheating, taking advantage of the system and tax payers, imposing one's culture and language, getting special treatment over others, lying, breaking the laws of the land 24/7/365, having babies in the U.S. to anchor illegal immigrant parents, using their own anchor baby's social security number to work, invading someone else's country, etc. don't seem to match Jesus teachings about honesty. I wish most Church leaders would get a clue and stop using the name of Jesus to shield and justify their corrupted version of Christianity for the simple fact that lawlessness is not a Christian concept. Religious leaders who adopt the "system is broken" excuse are full of crap, ignorant or both. Why? These wanna be Christian bigots are going after the one that's lost and highly contagious and bringing it back to contaminate the 99 healthy ones in the fold. Luke 15:4

Like it says in the Bible, separate the goats from the sheep. The sheep follow the law while the goats are self-serving, break fences and crap all over the farm.