Thread: Obama: IAs in military in exchange for amnesty

Obama Wants to Put ILLEGALS in U.S. Military in Exchange for AMNESTY

To Sway Hispanics, Candidates Widen Pitches Beyond Immigration

July 18, 2008

Three times this month, John McCain and Barack Obama have addressed national Hispanic advocacy and community service organizations. As a result, it is possible to draw a picture of the strategy and tactics that each of the presumed presidential nominees intends to employ to win the Hispanic vote, expected to be decisive in several battleground states.

In the past, one common complaint about Hispanic voters has been that politicians tend to view them as a one-issue bloc, concerned only about immigration. Both presidential campaigns are taking care to avoid that trap, emphasizing issues like education, health care and housing as much as, if not more than, immigration and related border issues.

They also clearly recognize the role that the Hispanic electorate, its numbers swelling with newly naturalized citizens and a population that skews young, could play in November.

"The Latino community holds the election in its hands," Obama announced in San Diego on Sunday at the annual conference of the National Council of La Raza. McCain, meanwhile, spoke of a situation in which returns from the East are tight and everything comes down to swing states like this one, where three of every eight voters are of Hispanic descent.

The candidates' stances on the issues and their tone, however, are markedly different, as was evident in their speeches to La Raza. Obama, drawing on his background as a community organizer, evoked the theme of social justice and proclaimed his unqualified support for the Dream Act, which would allow high school students who are illegal immigrants to go to college or join the armed forces and gain legal residence status.

"I like everything he said he wants to do, especially for the poor," Rafaela Garcia, leader of a community education and health services group in Kansas City, Missouri, said after Obama spoke. "But then again, I'm a Democrat and will be one until I die."

McCain's message seems directed at what he views as the innate social conservatism of Hispanics. He seeks to appeal to their deep religiosity, strong and extended family ties and patriotism, and has also emphasized their propensity to create businesses of their own, with his support for more free trade with Latin America and special attention to Hispanics' small businesses.

But on that last point, he may be hampered by his association with the Bush administration, even among those sympathetic to his message.

"I'm eager to hear what he has to say, but tax incentives do nothing for the people we serve, and the government has reduced or eliminated the grants that we need," Cynthia Amador, who runs a small business center for Hispanic women in Los Angeles, said before McCain's speech to La Raza on Monday.

As for immigration, while both candidates say they favor comprehensive change in policy, there are differences in tone. Obama talks of 12 million undocumented immigrants in "hiding," and of the need to "bring them in from the shadows." McCain, from Arizona, a border state, says there are two million criminals among that group and also talks of drug traffickers manipulating immigrant flows.

Though the Hispanic population continues to disperse geographically, the majority still live in a handful of states rich in electoral votes. But those states are not likely to be the center of attention of the two campaigns' Latino operations; California, New York and Illinois, Obama's home state, are all presumed to be safely in the Obama column, while Texas is considered almost a lock for McCain.

Of the large states with big Hispanic populations, only Florida is regarded as up for grabs, with both campaigns making an effort there.

Instead, much of the focus has shifted to several small or medium- sized states, among them Colorado, Nevada and New Mexico, where McCain campaigned Tuesday.

"We're going to spend more money on Latino TV and radio than has ever been spent on a presidential campaign, and by a lot," Cuauhtemoc Figueroa, the director of Obama's Latino vote effort, told members of La Raza on Sunday.

The campaign also views Obama's half sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, who taught school for several years in the Bronx, as something of a trump card to be deployed at events for Hispanic voters. "She speaks fluent Spanish, with a Dominican accent, and looks Latina," Figueroa said.

Hessy Fernandez, McCain's spokeswoman for Hispanic issues, said he was conceding nothing and argued that Obama "has been losing support" among Hispanics since he clinched the nomination. (A New York Times/CBS News poll found that Obama leads McCain among Hispanic voters by 62 percent to 23 percent.) Fernandez said McCain would "go places where no Republican has been before" in pursuit of Hispanic support.

McCain also has some unusual Hispanic surrogates from which to draw, she noted. For instance, his Naval Academy roommate, Frank Gamboa, has recorded a radio advertisement in Spanish in which he says that McCain "shares our conservative values and faith in God. He knows that family is the most important thing we have and that we value hard work."
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"She speaks fluent Spanish, with a Dominican accent, and looks Latina," Figueroa said.

I suppose if she spoke fluent Spanish, with a Dominican accent and didn't "look Latina" it wouldn't fly. How much more blatently racist can these people be?

the Dream Act, which would allow high school students who are illegal immigrants to go to college or join the armed forces and gain legal residence status.

Oh, that's a good idea (not). Considering the DREAM Act would allow "kids" of practically any age to enroll, imagine what the 9/11 hijackers would've achieved with such an opportunity.

Does Obama plan on extending that plan to include islamic extremists, as well? Certainly we have a few here in the States who would love the opportunity for free military training. JACKASS!

Both of these candidates support amnesty for million of illegal aliens. Thus, both are out of touch with the majority of Americans who reject amnesty and want our border secured and laws enforced.

From above:

The candidates' stances on the issues and their tone, however, are markedly different, as was evident in their speeches to La Raza. Obama, drawing on his background as a community organizer, evoked the theme of social justice and proclaimed his unqualified support for the Dream Act, which would allow high school students who are illegal immigrants to go to college or join the armed forces and gain legal residence status.

Aren't all males supposes to registered in the United States citizens and illegals at 18 years old?

So if the illegals are not registered is that a felony?

Another law is broken by illegals

Thanks, miguelina

Originally Posted by vmonkey56

Aren't all males supposes to registered in the United States citizens and illegals at 18 years old?

So if the illegals are not registered is that a felony?

Another law is broken by illegals

Yes, yes and yes, vmonkey56. Every male between the ages of 18-26. This info should be checked every time one is stopped or jailed. If illegal, they are screwed for future legal status.

As for Obama, why would I want an illegal alien who doesn't even speak english serving in the trenches with me?!?!? Would he have my back or be more liable to shoot me in the back?!?!

"But then again, I'm a Democrat and will be one until I die."

This guy is already brain dead.

As for Obama, why would I want an illegal alien who doesn't even speak english serving in the trenches with me?!?!? Would he have my back or be more liable to shoot me in the back?!?!

Especially when you don't know if they have gang and cartel ties or are really concerned about America or it's citizens. It's obvious not all here have good intentions.

I hate to break this to you people but they've been exchanging citizenship for military service for at least 5 years now. The Camp Pendleton Marine who killed that pregnant Marine AND his wife were BOTH illegals before they joined the service. It's only open for combat specialties and translators.
Is'nt that nice of Bush to give such wonderful people a chance to become Americans?

The campaign also views Obama's half sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, who taught school for several years in the Bronx, as something of a trump card to be deployed at events for Hispanic voters. "She speaks fluent Spanish, with a Dominican accent, and looks Latina," Figueroa said.

A "trump card" if you speak fluent Spanish and look like a Latina. Isnt this a tad racist?