Thread: When Seeing and Hearing Isn't Believing

This subject may seem a little 'off topic', but it is something that all Americans should be aware of:

When Seeing and Hearing Isn't Believing

By William M. Arkin

Special to washingtonpost.com
Monday, Feb. 1, 1999

"Gentlemen! We have called you together to inform you that we are going to overthrow the United States government." So begins a statement being delivered by Gen. Carl W. Steiner, former Commander-in-chief, U.S. Special Operations Command.

At least the voice sounds amazingly like him.

But it is not Steiner. It is the result of voice "morphing" technology developed at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico.

By taking just a 10-minute digital recording of Steiner's voice, scientist George Papcun is able, in near real time, to clone speech patterns and develop an accurate facsimile. Steiner was so impressed, he asked for a copy of the tape.

Steiner was hardly the first or last victim to be spoofed by Papcun's team members. To refine their method, they took various high quality recordings of generals and experimented with creating fake statements. One of the most memorable is Colin Powell stating "I am being treated well by my captors."

"They chose to have him say something he would never otherwise have said," chuckled one of Papcun's colleagues.

A Box of Chocolates is Like War

Most Americans were introduced to the tricks of the digital age in the movie Forrest Gump, when the character played by Tom Hanks appeared to shake hands with President Kennedy.

For Hollywood, it is special effects. For covert operators in the U.S. military and intelligence agencies, it is a weapon of the future.

"Once you can take any kind of information and reduce it into ones and zeros, you can do some pretty interesting things," says Daniel T. Kuehl, chairman of the Information Operations department of the National Defense University in Washington, the military's school for information warfare.

Digital morphing — voice, video, and photo — has come of age, available for use in psychological operations. PSYOPS, as the military calls it, seek to exploit human vulnerabilities in enemy governments, militaries and populations to pursue national and battlefield objectives.

To some, PSYOPS is a backwater military discipline of leaflet dropping and radio propaganda. To a growing group of information war technologists, it is the nexus of fantasy and reality. Being able to manufacture convincing audio or video, they say, might be the difference in a successful military operation or coup.

Allah on the Holodeck

Pentagon planners started to discuss digital morphing after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait in 1990. Covert operators kicked around the idea of creating a computer-faked videotape of Saddam Hussein crying or showing other such manly weaknesses, or in some sexually compromising situation. The nascent plan was for the tapes to be flooded into Iraq and the Arab world.

The tape war never proceeded, killed, participants say, by bureaucratic fights over jurisdiction, skepticism over the technology, and concerns raised by Arab coalition partners.

But the "strategic" PSYOPS scheming didn't die. What if the U.S. projected a holographic image of Allah floating over Baghdad urging the Iraqi people and Army to rise up against Saddam, a senior Air Force officer asked in 1990?

According to a military physicist given the task of looking into the hologram idea, the feasibility had been established of projecting large, three-dimensional objects that appeared to float in the air.

But doing so over the skies of Iraq? To project such a hologram over Baghdad on the order of several hundred feet, they calculated, would take a mirror more than a mile square in space, as well as huge projectors and power sources.

And besides, investigators came back, what does Allah look like?

The Gulf War hologram story might be dismissed were it not the case that washingtonpost.com has learned that a super secret program was established in 1994 to pursue the very technology for PSYOPS application. The "Holographic Projector" is described in a classified Air Force document as a system to "project information power from space ... for special operations deception missions."

War is Like a Box of Chocolates

Voice-morphing? Fake video? Holographic projection? They sound more like Mission Impossible and Star Trek gimmicks than weapons. Yet for each, there are corresponding and growing research efforts as the technologies improve and offensive information warfare expands.

Whereas early voice morphing required cutting and pasting speech to put letters or words together to make a composite, Papcun's software developed at Los Alamos can far more accurately replicate the way one actually speaks. Eliminated are the robotic intonations.

The irony is that after Papcun finished his speech cloning research, there were no takers in the military. Luckily for him, Hollywood is interested: The promise of creating a virtual Clark Gable is mightier than the sword.

Video and photo manipulation has already raised profound questions of authenticity for the journalistic world. With audio joining the mix, it is not only journalists but also privacy advocates and the conspiracy-minded who will no doubt ponder the worrisome mischief that lurks in the not too distant future.

"We already know that seeing isn't necessarily believing," says Dan Kuehl, "now I guess hearing isn't either."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/na ... 020199.htm

The significance of this is that it has been proven that the cell phone calls which where allegedly made by the passengers of 9 -11 could not have possibly been made from the altitude which the planes where flying. - Assuming that their cell phone providers even covered those areas in question.

The ability to make cell phone calls from planes flying at high altitudes is a technology which is just now becoming available in 2006.

It has never been disclosed just how those cell phone conversations where able to be intercepted and recorded, it has also not been disclosed who recorded them. - "for matters of national security" I am sure.

One of the calls that has been disproved was allegedly placed by Mark Bingham. In the recording of unknown origin, the phone conversation begins as follows:

"Hi Mom, This is Mark Bingham"

Who states their last name when calling their mother?

And then we have the Osama Bin Laden tapes, all of which were found by the CIA in the back bedroom of an abandoned house in Afghanistan.

I cannot remember the show I was watching last night, there was a scientist debunking all these 911 conspiracy theories, the same question came up about the cell phones, he said there would be no problem with making cell phone calls from the airplanes, it is just that usually people are told to turn off their cell phones because they may play havoc with the plane computers!

EXACTLY, cell phones must be turned off during flight by law:

The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) is considering proposals that may eventually allow you to use your own cell phone or wireless data device on airplanes after take off. Currently, cell phone users generally are permitted to use their phones before takeoff and after landing. FCC rules currently ban cell phone use after a plane has taken off because of potential interference to cellular phone networks on the ground. In addition, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has rules prohibiting in-flight cell phone use because of potential interference to navigation and aircraft systems

- So how could the passengers on flight 93 have been alerted about the hijackings of the other planes by cell phone?
As the 9-11 commission claims.
- Their phones should have been off.

Yes it is possible to make calls from planes, providing a tower is within range. However:

1) Reception is only possible up to a MAX of 8000 feet altitude.

2) When Cell phones are used below 8000 feet, they simultaneously communicate with multiple of cell towers on the ground, clogging networks and preventing use.

3) Wireless communications networks weren't designed for ground-to-air communication. Their directional antennas are 'aimed' at the coverage area.

3) If you are traveling in a car, your cell will connect to the tower with the strongest signal, no tower no signal. If there is only one tower, at 60 MPH you will loose signal within 10 -20 minutes. Towers are only located in urban/high usage areas, this means; Flying low altitude at 500+MPH = dropped calls.

But the planes were not at 8,000 feet:

Flight 175: 31,000 feet, 5 calls

Flight 77: 35,000 feet, at least 1 call

Flight 93: 35,000 feet, at least ten cell calls

- several people on the ground tried to return calls without luck, then received another call from the plane.

All of the callers stated that the highjackers were Arabs, the DNA test results of flight 93 did not identify any Arabs aboard.

There are no Arabs listed on flight 93 passenger list.

Within days, the state dept. stated the hijackers were:

Ziad Samir Jarrah, Saeed Alghamdi, Ahmed Ibrahim A. Al Haznawi, and Ahmed Alnami, all of Saudi Arabia.

I did not intend to debate the fact that our government is deceiving us, the only logical or practical use for this software is for just that. - Deception, which is exactly what they were contemplating using it for as early as 1999.

The point is:

Be aware that this technology exists

I did not intend to debate the fact that our government is deceiving us, the only logical or practical use for this software is for just that. - Deception, which is exactly what they were contemplating using it for as early as 1999.

I wouldn't put anything past this stinking government.

I am surprised that anyone could doubt it, apparently as people learn more about it, they quickly begin to realize the official explanations are not plausible. This is why there is a growing number of people who do not buy it:

a new poll by Scripps News shows that a third of Americans suspect some sort of a US government conspiracy in regards to the events before, during or after September 11, 2001.

The FBI solved the crime on the day it happened, they stated that someone with considerable financial resources, and foreknowledge of the terrorist event, had put stock options "against" the airlines that were to explode that week of 9-11.

The UK Independent revealed that $15 billion of Insider Trading profits from the 9-11 terror went to AB Brown Trust.

Banker’s Trust-AB Brown, is one of 20 major U.S. banks named by Senator Carl Levin as being connected to money laundering.

AB Brown is owned by Banker’s Trust, which is owned by Deutsche Bank. The combined firm is the single largest bank in Europe

Deutsche Bank played several key roles in events connected to the September 11 attacks.

Deutsche Bank was also the hub of insider trading activity connected to Munich Re. just before the attacks

A.B. “Buzzy” Krongard was at one time the Chairman of the investment bank A.B. Brown and Vice Chairman of Banker’s Trust. - until He was appointed CIA Executive Director by President Bush

Zbigniew Brzezinski (3rd highest man in the CIA) was apparently Chairman at the time of the 'attacks'.
(the position is a revolving door of CIA members)

BTW: Z.B. also created the concept of "enemy image" in which a terrorist attack is staged against people of our own country.

Basically our government killed Americans to gain support to return to Iraq, why?
It produces 24% of the worlds oil, take that off the market, we pay more while they make more.
And that is the real reason our troops are still in Iraq.

http://www.hereinreality.com/insidertrading.html

Skid, I have one question for you here. I am no scientist or really know all this stuff about the conspiracy's going around about 911. My question is, if flight 93 crashed because of something the government did, how in the world did the government get all these families to go along with them and cover it all up, after they killed their family members? I am talking about all the family members who recieved phone calls from their loved ones, and even called in to 911 about what was happenng on flight 93. I cannot fathom why these families would go along with the government in a coverup after they killed my child, husband, wife, or whatever loved one I had on that plane! I cannot imagine a coverup that diabolic. I have lost a son, do you think If I thought my government had him killed for some reason to go to war, I would go along with that coverup? Nope, sorry, I just can't buy that, for that reason alone! Besides our government is sitting on probably more oil then the middle east produces, why would our government go to such lengths to get oil when we have more here?

I am not familiar with any wild conspiracy theories, there are some people out there with some wild imaginations, or is it paranoia?

There are several web sites on this subject which are made up of mostly scientists, such as the 9-11 truth movement. The reason behind all of this is because the official story does not logically apply to the events which took place that day. and there are a lot of conflicting accounts of what took place making it a little more confusing.

I think you may be misunderstanding something, the calls that were allegedly made by the passengers could not have possibly been made from the planes at the elevations they were flying. I do not know of anyone who claims that any of the passengers or victims were part of some hoax or elaborate cover up. As you stated, it would be very improbable.

The point is that the voice "morphing" technology at the beginning of this post, could possibly account for those phone calls.

About the oil, yes we are supposedly sitting on more than the rest of the world combined. But are we pumping it?
No oil rigs that I know of between Alaska, Texas and Cal. (where it is allegedly located)

If its existence is true and we were to have oil flowing everywhere a lot of people would be very happy paying $0.50 a gallon for gas, but a few people at the top would not be very happy, it is basic supply and demand.

more oil on the market, we pay less, they make less.
less oil on the market, we pay more, they make more

If you want to make more profit per gallon, simply shut down the pipeline, or just bomb somebody else's.

US planes starting oil fires in Iraq
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature ... index.html

skid, I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say in my previous post. I wasn't talking about the passengers or victims being part of a coverup, I was saying, all these families that recieved phone calls from their loved ones from flight 93, if it was impossible for them to recieve those calls they they must be a part of the cover up right? Why would they do that? Why would they lie and say they all had these phone calls from there family on that plane when if you are right, they could not possibly have recieved those calls? I guess to, as far as scientist go, they never agree one will say this and another one will say another, so how do you know which of them to believe? I would suppose what it really all boils down to is what each individual chooses to believe about 911 and the events that unfolded that day. Until, I have concrete evidence, this was all perpetrated and orchestrated by our government so we could go to war for more oil, I choose to believe this was not something our government caused to happen, but was indeed something the evil terroist did to us that day. If 911 was a conspiracy then was the Bali bombing, the Spain train bombing and so on and on, the London subway were all these also caused by their governments for some reason?

I did understand you, that is why I said you are misunderstanding something.

I think I then confused you by writing "passengers or victims" when I meant "victims or their families"

I do not know of anyone who claims that any of the victims or their families were part of some hoax or elaborate cover up. As you stated, it would be very improbable.

how in the world did the government get all these families to go along with them and cover it all up, after they killed their family members?

I am not aware of any families going along with anything, I do know that many of them, if not most of them are demanding answers. They want to know what really happened.

Back to the software above, it is possible to create a computer generated voice that sounds just like the real person. This can be done in "real time" meaning that it is possible to have an interactive conversation VIA tele-phone without the other person realizing it.

The people in the demonstration above believed that Collin Powell had been captured by the enemy, after all they heard him say so.

The problem is that a real person would not say:

"Hi Mom, This is Mark Bingham"

Ultimately what it really all boils down to is MOTIVE

Who had the motive?

Is it reasonable to accept that someone who you have never known killed themselves along with others simply because they did not like your way of life?

Our government is at the very least, guilty of negligence for allowing it to happen.
Is it reasonable for us to give up our freedom so that they can protect us?

It has been proven they were not only aware of the events leading up to it, but were also warned by numerous other countries and agencies and yet failed to act. Why do they now insist that it is necessary to spy on Americans in order to provide security?

National security has nothing at all to do with freedom.

Ask yourself who it really is that hates our freedom.

"No one could have conceivably imagined suicide bombers"

"If this were a dictatorship it would be a heck of a lot easier; just so long as I was the dictator"

'Today our way of life came under attack'

- George W. Bush

"What luck for rulers that men do not think"

"The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than a small one"

" Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death"

- Adolf Hitler: 'Mein Kampf'

Adolph enjoyed using state sponsored terrorism against his people also.

Hitler also conceived "The New World Order"

- so we could go to war for more oil

Again, it is not about More oil, it is about Less oil. Iraq produces (that is, they used to produce) 24% of the worlds oil supply.

Have you noticed the price of gas?

Do you remember when the price started going up?

This is not about a few million dollars, it is about billions and trillions of dollars, it is about power and control.

I choose to believe this was not something our government caused to happen

It is your right to believe as you choose. I respect that, I thought the same thing myself not very long ago.

Then I read about how we became involved with the Vietnam war; false reports were made that we were attacked:

THE GULF OF TONKIN

No this is not a 'conspiracy'. And yes, this is official:

A U.S. National Security Agency analysis documented the events

And the US government officially covered up the evidence:

Washington hid damaging Vietnam finding

Our government, our president, caused more than 50,000 Americans to die, not to mention several hundred thousand of our 'enemies' who had never posed a threat to us.

After realizing that, it is not to hard to believe they would kill a few thousand Americans. - note that almost all of the 'important' people who worked in the WTC where not there during the attacks. George Bush's nephew was one of those fortunate enough to be absent.