Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 11

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

  1. #1
    Senior Member Brian503a's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    California or ground zero of the invasion
    Posts
    16,029

    New laws bind U.S. citizens

    http://durangoherald.com/asp-bin/articl ... 0917_1.htm

    New laws bind U.S. citizens
    Changes meant to keep out illegal immigrants cause problems



    September 17, 2006
    By Shane Benjamin | Herald Staff Writer

    When Patricia and Bill Borgers moved to Durango six weeks ago, they wanted to be law-abiding residents and obtain driver's licenses within 30 days.

    They headed to the local Division of Motor Vehicles office. But recent changes designed to keep out illegal immigrants thwarted their efforts - even though both were born and raised in America.

    "We made two trips down there," Pat said. "We took everything we had - every kind of ID we had, because we didn't know what they were going to want."

    The list went something like this: a Texas driver's license, notarized birth certificate, passport document, Social Security card, car-licensing tag, boat license, local checking-account records, Durango library card, three gasoline credit cards, Sam's Club photo card, AAA card, Medicare card and insurance cards.

    But still no Colorado driver's license.

    Under strict new rules approved this year by the state Legislature, the Borgerses were unable to prove lawful presence in the United States - even with all their forms of identification. It came as a surprise to Patricia and Bill Borgers, who are 66 and 70 respectively, and were both born in Texas.

    "I'm sure it's because of immigration and all of that," Pat Borgers said.

    Michael Cooke, executive director of the Colorado Department of Revenue, which oversees the issuance of driver's licenses, said as of last week the department had turned away about 2,800 people seeking to obtain licenses because of apparent problems with their documents. Of those, only 300-plus met with investigators who later determined 156 applicants were legal residents, she said. Thirty-one were rejected because of expired documents, and 150 applications were sent to the U.S. Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services for further review.

    It is unknown how many of the 150 applicants referred to the citizen and immigration department attempted to pass fraudulent documents or are here illegally, Cooke said, partly because their cases are pending.

    She said that non-U.S. residents who attempt to obtain a driver's license are not immune from prosecution or deportation if their information is sent to the U.S. Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services.

    Cooke said Texas and Puerto Rico birth certificates have become problematic for the state's licensing agency since Aug. 1. "Because of that, if someone presents a Texas birth certificate, then we're going to ask for some additional form of ID."

    Pat Borgers was eventually able to obtain her driver's license, but it wasn't until her third try, when she was accompanied by a Herald photographer documenting her struggles.

    "I think it was the camera," she said. "I think that they were just being gracious and gave it to me."

    The Department of Revenue did not return a second phone call seeking explanation.

    But Bill Borgers was turned down a third time, and he was told he needed a Texas-issued birth certificate with a raised seal.

    Eddie Soto, coordinator of Los Compañeros, the Latino civil-rights organization based in Durango, said Colorado's new rules don't do anything to address the immigration issue, and they only make roads and communities more dangerous.

    Undocumented immigrants won't try to obtain a driver's license in Colorado, he said, and that means they will be driving around without passing driving exams and without insurance. And undocumented immigrants are less likely to report crime if they cannot show officers identification, he said.

    "Wouldn't you feel much safer if everyone driving on the road with you were insured?" Soto asked. "The rules that we're trying to pass are just endangering the community more and more every day."

    What is more, the new rules appear to be in violation of federal law, he said. "States are allowed to make laws easier, but not harsher," he said. "Sadly, nobody has brought a challenge to it."

    Soto lost his wallet six months ago, and has so far been unsuccessful at replacing his Colorado driver's license.

    Even before the new rules took effect, the driving bureau in Durango told Soto he would need a Texas birth certificate. But without any identification, he is relying on his mother to obtain one for him.

    "If I didn't have a mom in the state of Texas, I'd be screwed," he said. "I could go get my passport quicker than I could my Colorado driver's license."

    And Pat Borgers joked that it would be easier to drive to Mexico and pay $100 for a Colorado driver's license than to obtain one through the state.

    She offers this advice to out-of-state residents seeking a Colorado driver's license:

    "Pack a lunch and take a cushion to sit on, because you're going to be there an hour to two."
    Support our FIGHT AGAINST illegal immigration & Amnesty by joining our E-mail Alerts at http://eepurl.com/cktGTn

  2. #2
    Senior Member Judy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    55,883
    Doesn't that just make you want to throw tomatoes at someone?

    SPLAT!! SPLAT!!

    GRRRRR!!
    A Nation Without Borders Is Not A Nation - Ronald Reagan
    Save America, Deport Congress! - Judy

    Support our FIGHT AGAINST illegal immigration & Amnesty by joining our E-mail Alerts at https://eepurl.com/cktGTn

  3. #3
    Senior Member LegalUSCitizen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Georgia
    Posts
    10,934
    "I'm sure it's because of immigration and all of that," Pat Borgers said.
    Oh well, better luck next time.
    Join our efforts to Secure America's Borders and End Illegal Immigration by Joining ALIPAC's E-Mail Alerts network (CLICK HERE)

  4. #4
    Senior Member LegalUSCitizen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Georgia
    Posts
    10,934
    Yep, it sure does !!
    Join our efforts to Secure America's Borders and End Illegal Immigration by Joining ALIPAC's E-Mail Alerts network (CLICK HERE)

  5. #5
    Senior Member nittygritty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Oklahoma
    Posts
    3,251
    Does anyone really think those illegals driving on our roads who have drivers license have auto insurance to? I don't!
    Build the dam fence post haste!

  6. #6
    Senior Member Brian503a's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    California or ground zero of the invasion
    Posts
    16,029
    Quote Originally Posted by Judy
    Doesn't that just make you want to throw tomatoes at someone?

    SPLAT!! SPLAT!!

    GRRRRR!!
    It sure does! This is for all the incompetent politicians that helped create this mess.

    Support our FIGHT AGAINST illegal immigration & Amnesty by joining our E-mail Alerts at http://eepurl.com/cktGTn

  7. #7
    Senior Member Judy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    55,883
    Brian...LOVE YOUR TOMATO!!

    A Nation Without Borders Is Not A Nation - Ronald Reagan
    Save America, Deport Congress! - Judy

    Support our FIGHT AGAINST illegal immigration & Amnesty by joining our E-mail Alerts at https://eepurl.com/cktGTn

  8. #8
    Senior Member Brian503a's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    California or ground zero of the invasion
    Posts
    16,029
    Thanks Judy! We need one for the forum since there are a lot of people that are deserving of a few rotten tomatoes.
    Support our FIGHT AGAINST illegal immigration & Amnesty by joining our E-mail Alerts at http://eepurl.com/cktGTn

  9. #9
    Senior Member Judy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    55,883
    YES, how can we make it available...I would love to use it too. Is there some way to add it to our emoticons somehow?

    Let me know if you computer-smart guys figure it out.

    A Nation Without Borders Is Not A Nation - Ronald Reagan
    Save America, Deport Congress! - Judy

    Support our FIGHT AGAINST illegal immigration & Amnesty by joining our E-mail Alerts at https://eepurl.com/cktGTn

  10. #10
    Super Moderator Newmexican's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Heart of Dixie
    Posts
    36,012
    Judy,
    Funny that you should mention throwing tomatos. Every year the Texans come up to Colorado and the Texans and Coloradans square off for the annual tomato war. Here is an account:


    Colorado
    by goingsolo
    Send Photo to a Friend
    Taylor Adams began the Tomato Wars in 1982 as a protest against Texans in Colorado who constantly try to change the environment of the state. Legend has it that in 1982, when Adams was still the owner of the Black Wolf Inn at Twin Lakes, a woman from Dallas, while gazing upon Mt Elbert, said: "This is a pretty area. Its a shame nobody's done anything with it." This may have been the comment which inspired the battle cry: "Keep Colorado beautiful: put a Texan on a bus."
    The tomato war contest is held in September. The battle zone varies from year to year. The rules are simple: There is an army consisting of a captain, 9 soldiers and an M.P. The soldiers carry their ammunition in plastic grocery bags strapped to their waists. The bugle sounds at noon and the Colorado soldiers charge the Texans, who usually retreat into their fort (known as the Tomalamo) and defend their fort by throwing tomatoes at a rapid pace. Soldiers hit above the torso by a tomato are considered dead and must leave the battlefield and watch from the sidelines. Although the Colorado armies often run out of ammunition, they ultimately surround the Texans fort and bring down the Lone Star flag. The process usually takes about 2 hours. After Saturdays battle, there is a shoot out on Sunday among the winning contestants.
    Some of the best strategies have included a Texan arriving by helicopter, a Coloradoan arriving by parachute and a peace march held by a dissenting army, holding signs such as "Hell No We Won't Throw" and spouting slogans that tomatoes should be used for other uses, such as bloody marys. The best strategy involved an attractive Texas female who began to undress within sight of advancing male Colorado warriors. The Coloradoans were caught off guard and ambushed.
    Support our FIGHT AGAINST illegal immigration & Amnesty by joining our E-mail Alerts at https://eepurl.com/cktGTn

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •