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    POLL : DO YOU SUPPORT A NATIONAL DRIVER'S LICENSE : CLOSED



    Do you support the concept of a national driver's license?

    Yes
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    No (0 Votes, 0%)

    Don't know (0 Votes, 0%)


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    States take action to oppose national driver's license

    By: LESLIE MILLER - Associated Press Writer

    WASHINGTON (AP) -- A revolt against a national driver's license, begun in Maine last month, is quickly spreading to other states.

    The Maine Legislature on Jan. 26 overwhelmingly passed a resolution objecting to the Real ID Act of 2005. The federal law sets a national standard for driver's licenses and requires states to link their record-keeping systems to national databases.

    Within a week of Maine's action, lawmakers in Georgia, Wyoming, Montana, New Mexico, Vermont and Washington state also balked at Real ID. They are expected soon to pass laws or adopt resolutions declining to participate in the federal identification network.


    "It's the whole privacy thing," said Matt Sundeen, a transportation analyst for the National Conference of State Legislatures. "A lot of legislators are concerned about privacy issues and the cost. It's an estimated $11 billion implementation cost."

    The law's supporters say it is needed to prevent terrorists and illegal immigrants from getting fake identification cards.

    States will have to comply by May 2008. If they do not, driver's licenses that fall short of Real ID's standards cannot be used to board an airplane or enter a federal building or open some bank accounts.

    About a dozen states have active legislation against Real ID, including Arizona, Georgia, Hawaii, Massachusetts, Missouri, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, Utah and Wyoming.

    Missouri state Rep. James Guest, a Republican, formed a coalition of lawmakers from 34 states to file bills that oppose or protest Real ID.

    "This is almost a frontal assault on the freedoms of America when they require us to carry a national ID to monitor where we are," Guest said in an interview Saturday. "That's going too far."

    Guest a resolution last week opposing Real ID and said he expects it quickly to pass the Legislature. "This does nothing to stop terrorism," he said. "Don't burden the American people with this requirement to carry this ID."

    Though most states oppose the law, some such as Indiana and Maryland are looking to comply with Real ID, Sundeen said.

    The issue may be moot for states if Congress takes action.

    Republican Sen. John Sununu of New Hampshire, along with Democratic Sen. Daniel Akaka of Hawaii, filed a bill last year to repeal the law. Sununu expects similar legislation will be introduced soon.

    "The federal government should not be in charge of defining and issuing drivers' licenses," Sununu said in a statement.

    Privacy advocates say a national driver's license will promote identity theft.

    Barry Steinhardt, a lawyer with the American Civil Liberties Union, said the Real ID ordered by Congress would require a digital photo and probably a fingerprint on each driver's license or state-issued ID card. That, he said, will make it more valuable to identity thieves because the ID card will be accepted as much more than a driving credential.

    "It's going to be a honey pot out there that's going to be irresistible to identity thieves," Steinhardt said.

    An identity thief, he said, could buy a Real ID from a rogue motor vehicle department employee with is own photo and fingerprint on it.

    "The victim is never going to be able to undo this," Steinhardt said.

    Other criticisms include:

    --Some states will have to invest millions in new computer systems that can communicate with federal databases. That is something they probably will not accomplish by the deadline.

    --It will be difficult to comply with the requirement that license applicants prove they are in the country legally. There are more than 100 different immigration statutes, Steinhardt said, which will pose problems for motor vehicle clerks unfamiliar with immigration law.

    --It does not solve the problem of terrorism. Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh and some of the hijackers from the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, had legitimate driver's licenses.

    --Even the requirement that applicants' full legal names appear on licenses will pose problems because some states limit the number of characters on the face of the card.

    On the Net:

    Background on Real ID Act: http://www.ncsl.org/standcomm/sctran/re ... mary05.htm


    http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/02 ... 163948.txt

    Comments On This Story

    Note: Comments reflect the views of readers and not necessarily those of the North County Times or its staff.

    Real ID wrote on February 05, 2007 1:42 AM:"is a really good idea. If the ACLU is against it, then you know it is the right thing to have. "

    Skip wrote on February 05, 2007 6:51 AM:"It is totally amazing that the Public, and the American Government seem to have forgotten 9/11. With 6,000 illegal aliens crossing our borders every day, now more then ever we need a secure ID. The states seem to be willing to do so little when it comes to National Security. I really wish that we could end the war in Iraq, so that we can get back to basics and protect our own country's borders, and ideals."

    American woman wrote on February 05, 2007 12:20 PM:"Bring it on!!! We need the REAL ID ACT implemented, nation-wide! NOW. Folks, you are NOT PAYING ATTENTION! There is a movement afoot, at Federal level, called the NAU! It is the beginning of the end of America as we have known her! Educate yourselves before it's too late. This inundation of the U.S. with unknown, unvetted foreign invaders is not an accident! Wake up, America...before it's too late! BTW, Skip...it's more like double the number you cite describing the invasion! Also, do you really, truly believe that it's the war in Iraq keeping our President and his cohorts from securing the borders? Yikes! Check out the North American Union, Skip! (Google works) It'll scare the living heck out of you!"

    Skip wrote on February 05, 2007 1:55 PM: http://www.spp.gov/

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    The Poll is now
    50% Yes
    50% No

    So what will they want to do next....
    Insert chips into our bodies??
    "When injustice become law, resistance becomes duty." Thomas Jefferson

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    60% yes
    40% no
    i dont care one way or the other
    NCIC does it already .
    just issue a second form
    Only amricans in the country for more then five years can apply for it,... i realy have to think on how it would make me feel,
    if i where told i have to apply for a second id just to fly, any one can get any id and forge any doc.....

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    The ACLU is against it and the "Immigrants Rights" Groups are against it.

    That is good enough for me. I voted for it. YES


    R/ Skip

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    I'm really torn on this issue... head... hurting...
    Just because you're used to something doesn't make it right.

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