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    Europe's Falling Debt Domino's - Greece → Ireland → Port

    Europe's Falling Debt Domino's - Greece → Ireland → Portugal → Spain → Italy → UK → ?

    Economics / Global Debt Crisis
    Nov 27, 2010 - 06:26 AM

    By: Washingtons_Blog

    It is now common knowledge that there is a potential domino effect of European sovereign debt contagion in roughly the following order:

    Greece → Ireland → Portugal → Spain → Italy → UK

    While some people have been writing about this for well over a year, many others have joined the party late (there are now over 600,000 hits from a Google search discussing this topic.)

    It is also now common knowledge that while Greece and Ireland have relatively small economies, there will be real trouble if the Spanish domino falls.

    Iceland has the world's 112th biggest economy, Ireland the 38th, and Portugal the 36th. In contrast, Spain has the world's 9th biggest economy, Italy the 7th and the UK the 6th. A failure by one of the latter 3 would be devastating for the world economy.

    As Nouriel Roubini wrote in February:

    But the real nightmare domino is Spain. Roubini refers to the Spanish debt problems as "the elephant in the room".

    "You can try to ring fence Spain. And you can essentially try to provide financing officially to Ireland, Portugal, and Greece for three years. Leave them out of the market. Maybe restructure their debt down the line."

    "But if Spain falls off the cliff, there is not enough official money in this envelope of European resources to bail out Spain. Spain is too big to fail on one side—and also too big to be bailed out."

    With Spain, the first problem is the size of its public debt: €1 trillion. (Greece, by contrast, has €300 of public debt.) Spain also has €1 trillion in private foreign liabilities.

    And for problems of that magnitude, there simply are not enough resources—governmental or super-sovereign—to go around.

    And as I've previously pointed out, Germany and France - the world's 4th and 5th largest economies - have the greatest exposure to Portuguese and Spanish debt. For more on the interconnections between Euro economies adding to the risk of contagion, see this.

    While it is tempting to assume that the Eurozone bailouts mean that creditor nations which have managed their economies well and saved huge amounts of excess reserves which they lend out, Sean Corrigon points out that the European bailouts are a Ponzi scheme:

    Under the rules of this multi-trillion shell game, the sovereigns guarantee the ECB which funds the banks which buy the government debt which provides for everyone else's guarantees.

    (America is no different: Bill Gross, Nouriel Roubini, Laurence Kotlikoff, Steve Keen, Michel Chossudovsky and the Wall Street Journal all say that America is running a giant Ponzi scheme as well. And both America and Europe are trying to cover up the insolvency of their banks by running faux stress tests.)

    It didn't have to be like this. The European nations did not have to sacrifice themselves for the sake of their big banks.

    As Roubini wrote in February:

    "We have decided to socialize the private losses of the banking system.

    Roubini believes that further attempts at intervention have only increased the magnitude of the problems with sovereign debt. He says, "Now you have a bunch of super sovereigns— the IMF, the EU, the eurozone—bailing out these sovereigns."
    Essentially, the super-sovereigns underwrite sovereign debt—increasing the scale and concentrating the problems.

    Roubini characterizes super-sovereign intervention as merely kicking the can down the road.

    He says wryly: "There's not going to be anyone coming from Mars or the moon to bail out the IMF or the Eurozone."

    But, despite the paper shuffling of debt at the national level—and at the level of supranational entities—reality ultimately intervenes: "So at some point you need restructuring. At some point you need the creditors of the banks to take a hit —otherwise you put all this debt on the balance sheet of government. And then you break the back of government—and then government is insolvent."

    And here's my take from April:

    As I pointed out in December 2008:

    The Bank for International Settlements (BIS) is often called the "central banks' central bank", as it coordinates transactions between central banks.

    BIS points out in a new report that the bank rescue packages have transferred significant risks onto government balance sheets, which is reflected in the corresponding widening of sovereign credit default swaps:

    The scope and magnitude of the bank rescue packages also meant that significant risks had been transferred onto government balance sheets. This was particularly apparent in the market for CDS referencing sovereigns involved either in large individual bank rescues or in broad-based support packages for the financial sector, including the United States. While such CDS were thinly traded prior to the announced rescue packages, spreads widened suddenly on increased demand for credit protection, while corresponding financial sector spreads tightened.
    In other words, by assuming huge portions of the risk from banks trading in toxic derivatives, and by spending trillions that they don't have, central banks have put their countries at risk from default.

    But They Had No Choice ... Did They?

    But nations had no choice but to bail out their banks, did they?

    The leading monetary economist told the Wall Street Journal that this was not a liquidity crisis, but an insolvency crisis. She said that Bernanke is fighting the last war, and is taking the wrong approach (as are other central bankers).

    Nobel economist Paul Krugman and leading economist James Galbraith agree. They say that the government's attempts to prop up the price of toxic assets no one wants is not helpful.

    BIS slammed the easy credit policy of the Fed and other central banks, the failure to regulate the shadow banking system, "the use of gimmicks and palliatives", and said that anything other than (1) letting asset prices fall to their true market value, (2) increasing savings rates, and (3) forcing companies to write off bad debts "will only make things worse".

    Remember, America wasn't the only country with a housing bubble. The world's central bankers let a global housing bubble development. As I noted in December 2008:

    ... The bubble was not confined to the U.S. There was a worldwide bubble in real estate.

    Indeed, the Economist magazine wrote in 2005 that the worldwide boom in residential real estate prices in this decade was "the biggest bubble in history". The Economist noted that - at that time - the total value of residential property in developed countries rose by more than $30 trillion, to $70 trillion, over the past five years – an increase equal to the combined GDPs of those nations.

    Housing bubbles are now bursting in China, France, Spain, Ireland, the United Kingdom, Eastern Europe, and many other regions.

    And the bubble in commercial real estate is also bursting world-wide. See this.

    BIS also cautioned that bailouts could harm the economy (as did the former head of the Fed's open market operations). Indeed, the bailouts create a climate of moral hazard which encourages more risky behavior. Nobel prize winning economist George Akerlof predicted in 1993 that credit default swaps would lead to a major crash, and that future crashes were guaranteed unless the government stopped letting big financial players loot by placing bets they could never pay off when things started to go wrong, and by continuing to bail out the gamblers.

    These truths are as applicable in Europe as in America. The central bankers have done the wrong things. They haven't fixed anything, but simply transferred the cancerous toxic derivatives and other financial bombs from the giant banks to the nations themselves.

    Caveat: Even though Italy's debt/GDP ratio looks high, it has a high household savings rate and virtually all of its government debt is owned internally, by households. So it may not be vulnerable as one might think.

    http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article24600.html

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    The Euro Zone’s Debt Crisis Timeout Is Expiring!

    Economics / Euro-Zone
    Nov 27, 2010 - 09:02 AM

    By: Bryan_Rich

    Last year’s Thanksgiving weekend was an unusually active holiday news cycle.

    Of course, it was when Tiger Woods had his bizarre car accident outside of his home. That saga would dominate the news for months to come. The lesser-followed news item of that weekend came out of Dubai when the emirate announced it would restructure its sovereign debt.

    As we now know, both events would ultimately snowball. And both would result in the loss of a lot of money.

    Dubai, once promoted to be the up-and-coming financial hub of the world, was warning of default. And as much as it was a surprise to global investors, it was equally underestimated.

    At that point, the world markets were abuzz with ideas that the global economy was in a sharp, robust recovery. And Wall Street was telling Main Street that a return to normalcy was underway for global economies, i.e. put your money back in the market or get left behind.

    Back then, based on the roadmap laid out from historical financial crises, I said …

    “Expect more news like we received from Dubai. And expect markets to be surprised by the domino effect such news can create.â€
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    Ireland E.U. IMF Bailout Loan 6.7% Interest Rate Shocker? Belgium Joins PIGIBS

    Interest-Rates / Credit Crisis Bailouts
    Nov 27, 2010 - 04:39 PM

    By: Nadeem_Walayat

    There is widespread speculation in the mainstream press that Ireland's Euro 85 billion bailout loan could carry an interest rate as high as 7% with most suggesting 6.7%, which is far higher than the expected rate of 5% that Greece agreed to in May and currently averages at 5.2% and therefore represents an 33% premium and thus would place a far higher annual debt interest burden on Ireland.

    Reuters - Irish bailout interest rate around 7 pct-RTE TV

    Nov 26 (Reuters) - The interest rate on bailout funds for Ireland negotiated with the IMF and EU is likely to be around seven percent, Ireland's state broadcaster RTE said on Friday. http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE6AP20520101126

    Herald.ie - Interest on bailout could cost us one fifth of our tax take http://www.herald.ie/national-news/inte ... 38673.html

    IRELAND could end up paying one out of every five euro raised in tax on interest on the €85bn EU/IMF bailout

    There was intense speculation this weekend that interest charged on the bailout could be as high as a punitive 6.7pc.

    Indepentant.ie - Penal interest rate the price of €85bn bailout http://www.independent.ie/national-news ... 38350.html

    SOME of the €85bn bailout loans Ireland is to get will cost us a penal 6.7pc in interest -- far in excess of what was expected.

    There was shock last night as it emerged taxpayers will have to shoulder a much higher-than-expected interest cost that will run into billions of euro a year.

    Negotiations between the Irish government and the E.U. / IMF are underway to agree the terms and interest rate for the bailout loans to be concluded before the markets open on Monday morning.

    Why Could Ireland's Bailout Interest Rate be as high as 6.7%?

    The primary reason for why Ireland could carry a far higher interest rate than expected is to send a message to other countries lining up for an E.U. / IMF bailout loan that they also will pay an increasingly heavier price so a bailout will be seen as less of a soft option and therefore put pressure on prospective bailout countries such as Portugal and Spain to get their own financial and economic houses in order before triggering a bailout.

    The second reason would be to prepare the bond markets for debt restructuring as basically the higher interest rates withdraw the 5% ceiling from the market and imply that bond holders can expect a hair cut on maturity that would be in line with debt market yields on the basis of the bailout interest rate, which could result in maturing debt holders losing as much as 50% of the value of their capital. This will not go down well with bond market investors, but unfortunately there is little they can do about it as the market interest rates are far higher than the bailout interest rates i.e. Greece's 10 year bonds are trading at 12%, Irelands at 9.2% and Portugal's at 7.1%, therefore bond markets are already pricing in probable debt restructuring for Greece and Ireland at least.

    Bailout Interest Rate Propaganda for a Favourable Market and Political Reaction?

    A high interest rate of 6.7% would result in a flight to safety from holders of other PIIGS sovereign and bank debt as the market would price in future bailouts with far higher rates than 5%, therefore prompting more ECB intervention to keep bankrupt banks afloat which leads me to believe that the mainstream press commentary of a 6.7% rate is wrong and that what we are reading is propaganda which is probably emanating out from within Ireland to prime the financial markets (and the population of Ireland) for a more favourable response to the bailout after last weeks debt market wobbles in response to the German Chancellor, Angela Merkel's statement implying a partial debt default was possible.

    “Do politicians have the courage to place the risk burden on those who make money? Or is trading in sovereign debt the only business in the world in which there is no need to take risk?â€
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