Thread: Poll:61 Percent Say Start from Scratch on Health Care Reform

Poll: 61 Percent Say Start from Scratch on Health Care Reform

Friday, February 12, 2010
By Christopher Neefus

President Barack Obama speaks at a rally on health care reform on Thursday, Sept. 17, 2009, at the Comcast Center at the University of Maryland in College Park. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)

(CNSNews.com) – According to a new poll from Rasmussen Reports, a majority of Americans agree with the Republican leadership that Congress should scrap its current 2,000-page health care overhaul plans and start afresh.

Rasmussen asked likely voters: “Is it better to build on the health care plan that has been working its way through the House and Senate, or should Congress scrap that plan and start all over again?â€

I don't even think most Americans really want to start from scratch. I think they're tired of the whole damn mess of special interest stupidity.

I do believe there are several steps that need to be taken to correct a few things that are out of whack in our health insurance and health care system.

1. open up interstate sales of insurance

2. repeal the insurance industry anti-trust exemption from the McCarran-Ferguson Act

3. prohibit denials based on pre-existing conditions, dropped coverages when you are sick and no cause rescission with some reasonable definitions and qualifiers

4. convert all not-for-profit 501 C 3 tax exempt hospitals and medical enterprises who sell services for money to normal for-business enterprises

5. pass the FairTax

Then watch your services, benefits and options improve and your costs and rates go down.

Then sit back and give that a while to work and then see what else if anything needs to be done by our legislatures and stop worrying about it. We'll still have free emergency care, we'll still have lots of true charity, we'll have more of our own money to pay for medical care and purchase insurance as will our employers have more earnings to provide good low cost group plans through our work-places and pay for most if not all of the premiums as a company benefit.

I have to agree Judy, that most of the people who are paying attention don't want anything to do with universal welfare healthcare.

But I see it as this though,

Stop the free trade bullshine that has wrecked our economy. This would mean dismantling the economic empires that the robber barons created. This is so we can have a truely free market. Like John Perkins said in an interview, for big corporatins to exist, they get a 10 year shot at it. If they don't contribute to the general good of the nation, they don't get to be a big company anymore.

I would be very careful about openning up the country for nation wide coverage for insurance companies. Mainly because of the way congress misuses the authority of the interstate commerce clause. As they now apply it to intrastate issues that should be left up to the people and the states themselves. So this is something that has to be well thought out, so it can not be corrupted by future generations. In otherwords, let us apply the lessons of the past so that our posterity won't suffer the usurpations we've had to endure.

I definitely agree about the anti trust exemption being dropped. Also, the ability for corporations to intermix needs to be mandated. This way we don't have insurance companies involved in banking or media assets. This is how power and wealth also get consolidated. If you are an insurance company, you are an insurance company. If you are a bank, you are a bank. If you are a car company, you make cars. That's it. And if your company can't stand on it's own two feet, for whatever reason, you don't get to be a company anymore by bailouts that rob the citizens.

3 & 4, I can say pretty much so, that I think those are good ideas right out of the box.

Before passing any new tax, let us reduce the size of the government and cut the canserous tentacles that have wrapped around the heart and nerve of the country. Bring our troops home from foreign shores, and stop using them in entangling alliances, as that would really cut the budget there by a huge sum. Restore the enumerated powers as the founding fathers envisioned them. Not how some low, mid, or high level government flunky with a bad comb-over does. Drop the welfare / warfare state that America has become. Repeal the Congressional Act of 1871, and retore the Old Republic. Over the coure of about 5 years, close down the Federal Reserve, and restore the gold and silver to the American that which is rightfully their's to begin with. The reason being, is that it will take time for folks to adjust to real money. Even if we in the reverse order of what we have, from a fiat worthless money, to real receipts in form of fiduciary money, then back to real money again.

Get government out of the things that it has empowered itself with through broad, and usurperatory means, and if after that, we need to create a specific tax for government to operate, then we can impliment it. But I think fiscal conservatory ideas will reign, as politicians don't like to raise taxes or make new ones that can cost them their jobs.

Oh yes, and we would have to get rid of the 14th Ammendment to rid ourselves of the "national citizenship" it created, thereby placing all the people in the country under the yoke of congress. The 13th Ammendment would have to be adjusted as congress took it upon themselves to enact a national law over the states that they had no right nor authority to do. They could do it for all Federal lands, i.e.: US Territories. But one must ask, what are US Territories? So it would have to be a consesus of the states, which I really don't think would be a problem nationally as I think, or at least hope that everybody in every state knows the indignity it created and the ill will between people as the repercussions of such ill conceived institutions.

So pretty much so, over some time, wipe the equations from the board, and start with a fairly clean slate in spirit of Madison, Jefferson, Franklin, and the men who bled the ground red at places like Bunkerhill, Lexington, and Concord bridge. Let us create a nation of sovereign states, and truely free peoples, reguardless of sex, color, or religeon. Let us embrace and guard for eternity, those cherished rights of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness for generations to come.

Hylander, you lost me on the 13th and 14th Amendments. These were ratified by the states and thus are just as valid and legal as the original Bill of Rights, Amendments 1-10. The 14th Amendment needs to be interpreted according to its words, which excludes the children of foreign nationals not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

As to the new tax system, the FairTax, if we don't pass this new tax now or very soon, we won't have an economy. We have to bring our industries home and protect our trade, and in order to do that successfully, we must have reason for them to come home and be successful.

I'm not a states rights fan because it was the states who perpetuated slavery and pushed our country into an abomination that took a war to end. It was the states who denied women the right to vote. It is states to want to prevent women the right to control their reproduction. It is states who have regulated the insurance industry and demonstrated they are without the integrity to do so. It is states who segregated our country on the basis of race. It is states who can't manage their financing without parking their butts in our Capitol begging for one hand-out after another. It is states who have allowed a once grand and extraordinary yet low cost public education system to burgeon into an over-priced tool of socialist authoritarianism that not even the federal government can unravel.

States have not demonstrated that when left to their own devices, they can be trusted to protect the people of their state or the principles of our Constitution and Declaration of Independence.

That said, I support states rights on many issues, but when it comes to civil rights, education, liberty, fiscal responsibiliity .. their records are more dismal than even that of the federal government, with one exception, they almost all have a balanced budget provision of their Constitutions.