Thread: Hmmmm....Maybe it's the Illegals Causing This Jump In Crime

It seems that the Justice Department can't figure out the reason for the jump in the crime rate...maybe it's all the illegal criminals coming into this country and the fact that so many Americans are now jobless due to illegal immigration and outsourcing of American jobs! What do you think?:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/06/12/crime.rate/index.html
From Terry Frieden
CNN


Monday, June 12, 2006; Posted: 10:24 p.m. EDT (02:24 GMT)


A Justice Department official says, "We don't really know what's driving this."
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Manage Alerts | What Is This? WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Murders in the United States jumped 4.8 percent last year, and overall violent crime was up 2.5 percent for the year, marking the largest annual increase in crime in the United States since 1991, according to figures released Monday by the FBI.

Robberies nationally increased 4.5 percent, and aggravated assaults increased 1.9 percent, while the number of rapes last year fell 1.9 percent, the report said.

Crime increased most noticeably in several categories in many mid-sized cities and in the Midwest.

Law enforcement authorities and criminologists reacted cautiously, uncertain whether the preliminary statistics for 2005 signal the end of a long downward trend in crime or simply a one-year anomaly.

Senior Justice Department officials struggled to make sense of the new figures, and said Attorney General Alberto Gonzales had ordered them to try to find out what may account for the increases.

Richard Hertling, deputy assistant attorney general for legal policy, termed the new crime figures "troubling," but stressed the numbers are preliminary, and do not lend themselves to easy conclusions.

"We really don't know what's driving this," Hertling said. "We need to be be careful not to overinterpret or overreact."

The director of the Justice Department Bureau of Justice Statistics, Jeff Sedgwick, said, "It's certainly a matter of concern. But the question is this -- 'Is this a real increase or is it ... statistical noise, which you see with year-to-year changes?' "

Justice officials rejected the notion that resources were taken away from fighting crime to combating terrorism. They noted that combating crime has historically been largely a local responsibility, unlike national security and terrorism, which are federal obligations.

Crime figures had begun to level off in the last few years and some categories had edged up slightly in 2001, but had not shown an increase of this size.

Several experts cited an aging population and stiffer sentencing as key factors that contributed to the gradual reductions in crime throughout the 1990s and into the start of the new century. But some leading criminologists say those factors are changing and they are not surprised by the new numbers.

"There is an 'echo boom,' with an increasing number of late adolescents, particularly blacks and Latinos," said James Fox, a professor of criminal justice at Northeastern University. "Also, more people incarcerated in the '80s are now being released to their neighborhoods, and some are back to their old ways and old gangs," Fox said.

The statistics for all cities of 100,000 or more show the largest increase in overall violent crime regionally occurred in the Midwest, where the total of murders, robberies, rapes and aggravated assaults increased by 5.7 percent last year.

FBI officials, who compiled the figures supplied by local police departments, noted sharp variations among cities, and even among categories of crime within cities, leaving few discernible patterns.

In Houston, where murders increased from 272 to 334, officials said they did not have sufficient data to know whether post-Katrina residential shifts had been a factor. New Orleans' crime data was not available.

In Detroit, where murders declined, robberies increased sharply. In most of the nation's largest metropolitan areas, overall crime declined, while in many smaller to medium cities, crime -- including murders -- increased.

Authorities said the spread of gangs into smaller cities with fewer police resources may account for some of the violence being reported.

In Memphis, Tennessee, the number of murders rose from 107 in 2004 to 136 in 2005. In Norfolk, Virginia, murders rose from 35 to 58; in Tulsa, Oklahoma, from 48 to 58; in Las Vegas, Nevada, from from 131 to 144; and in St. Louis, Missouri, from 113 to 131.

Police in some cities said crime increases reflected unusually low numbers in 2004, rather than unusually high numbers in 2005.

Final figures and detailed statistical analysis, which may provide clues to the significance of the preliminary 2005 figures, are scheduled to be released by FBI officials in September.

Senior Justice Department officials struggled to make sense of the new figures, and said Attorney General Alberto Gonzales had ordered them to try to find out what may account for the increases.

When this story hit the news, all I could think, was, this is why residential status needs to be kept on every crime. Down to speeding tkts.

I think the citizenry and LEGAL immigrants would be stunned at the breakdown. Of course, I doubt that the gov't would EVER allow statistics that show how illegals affect (or don't affect) us.

After all, stats are kept on rediculous things. All it would take would be another set of check off boxes.

That was my first thought. See www.alipac.us/article1271.html.
(from World Net Daily). Deborah Schurman-Kauflin of the Violent Crimes Institute in Atlanta "concluded that, based on a figure of 12 million illegal immigrants and the fact that more of this population is male than average, sex offenders among illegals make up a higher percentage than offenders in the general population. . . only 2% of the offenders in her study had no history of criminal behavior, beyond crossing the border illegally."

But we can't expect the Justice Department to know about that.

It could not possibly be from illegals, could it? No. How dare you suggest such a thing! (sarcasm off)

Originally Posted by dlm1968

It could not possibly be from illegals, could it? No. How dare you suggest such a thing! (sarcasm off)

Why, that would be a crime to suggest that the "undocumented" are a reason for the huge rise in violent crime, now would it not? I keep forgetting that it's the LEGAL Americans who cannot have their say in such matters

Here we go again:
Charlotte Crime Rises
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/9361323/deta ... 32006&ts=H

POSTED: 10:16 am EDT June 13, 2006

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Charlotte police are working hard to reverse an increase in violent crime, says the police chief in North Carolina's largest city.

In the past year, city officials and police have started a homicide task force while also redeploying resources to get a handle on robberies, said Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Chief Darrel Stephens.

"We are trying to do the things we think will make a difference," Stephens said Monday. "Always, always the thing that makes the most difference is if we can get people to do things that decrease their potential for being a victim.

"Our (officers) are making lots of arrests and recovering lots of drugs and guns. That helps, but it doesn't change the environment enough to move the trends the other way across the board."

FBI data released Monday showed that the number of homicides, rapes, robberies and aggravated assaults rose 9 percent in Charlotte-Mecklenburg in 2005. Nationwide, violent crime was up 2.5 percent, the largest percentage increase since 1991.

Taking into account a population increase, Charlotte-Mecklenburg's violent crime rate was up 6.4 percent.

Armed robberies increased 43 percent with an increase of almost 1,000. More robberies were reported than in 2005 than in any of the past 10 years. Charlotte-Mecklenburg ended the year with 85 murders, the most since 1995.

Across the country, cities with 50,000 to 500,000 people recorded the largest increases in murder, on average, the FBI data shows. But comparing Charlotte-Mecklenburg with the national crime figure puts the area at a disadvantage, Stephens said.

Instead, Charlotte should be compared with other cities its size, he said. As a group, cities with 500,000 to 1 million residents saw an 8 percent increase in violent crime, which is 1 percent less than Charlotte-Mecklenburg.

Charlotte leaders have said they're puzzled about why violent crime increased in 2005, although some suggest that it's the result of growth.

Others blame the increases on an overburdened court system, especially the increase in robberies. Mayor Pat McCrory has repeatedly complained that police deal with too many repeat offenders.

One possible form of help is in the Legislature, where state budget proposals designate 13 additional prosecutors for Mecklenburg.

In addition, the city task force that's studying homicides is expected to present its recommendations. And Charlotte-Mecklenburg police last year began assigning more detectives to respond directly to robberies.
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Charlotte leaders have said they're puzzled about why violent crime increased in 2005, although some suggest that it's the result of growth

No one wants to come right out and say, "ILLEGAL GROWTH", now do they?

NC might be doing a bit better this year on the illegals issue. They have a long way to go

Anchor Babies Major Problem

The illegals are just a sign of the problems . We the peoople are the problem and the only ones who can solve it .

Most of the worse criminals are the ones selling out this nation ,not the ignorant but the educated from Harvard, Yale and other institutions of ill repute .

You know Princeton a couple months back catered to whack oh's and allowed sepereate gym times for genders because muslims complained it was against their religion . At least they all had clean feet from all the foot baths us suckers put up for them all over America though. But to her Ron Paul tell it they are not to blame for anything they do, its our " POLICY" that makes them taste for blood all over the whole world .

Matter of fact I never have heard Paul or his crony Jones say a word about any muslim radical or otherwise thats actions weren't blame on us . I agree we have some bad people that have invaded the Whitehouse, but surely you can't hold headhunters completely innocent .

Except for the above,I vote for Paul because i use to like him .

A Justice Department official says, "We don't really know what's driving this."

WHAT KIND OF DUMBA$$ES ARE RUNNING THIS COUNTRY? DUH...WE DONT KNOW WHAT IS DRIVING THIS. PLEASE.