Thread: the faces of the thugs who led America down the path of insane criminal torture

There should be nothing off the table when it comes to saving American lives. I would have been all in for torturing the heck out of someone if I thought it would have prevented 9/11.

Originally Posted by MW

There should be nothing off the table when it comes to saving American lives. I would have been all in for torturing the heck out of someone if I thought it would have prevented 9/11.

When I think of the people that jumped from skyscrapers to their death, the US soldiers, both men and women, that were raped and executed in Iraq when they were captured and a few other little atrocities perpetrated by the poor little victims minions I have no sympathy. I do however, dislike that they have lived in a detention facility that has all of the amenities of a private club.

Diane Feinstein has just exposed herself as the worst kind of politician - a petty one. JMO

Moved to Other Topic News and Issues - off topic for General discussion

All fine and good,if you have a government that tells the people it represents the truth!!! But do they???

Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. -- Ben Franklin

Freedom and Liberty Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! - Patrick Henry Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. -- Ben Franklin Liberty can not be preserved without a general knowledge among the people. -- John Adams, 2nd U.S. President America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter, and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. -- Abraham Lincoln, 16th U.S. President They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin, American Statesman, Scientist, Philosopher, Writer and Inventor in the 18th Century. Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the people's liberty's teeth. -- George Washington, American Commander in chief of the colonial armies in the American Revolution and 1st US President Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed.-- Martin Luther King, Jr., American Baptist Minister and Civil-Rights Leader Children should be educated and instructed in the principles of freedom. -- John Adams, 2nd U.S. President Without Freedom of Thought there can be no such Thing as Wisdom; and no such Thing as Public Liberty, without Freedom of Speech -- Benjamin Franklin, American Statesman, Scientist, Philosopher, Writer and Inventor in the 18th Century. Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind. -- Albert Einstein, American Physicist and Nobel Prize Winner Over grown military establishments are under any form of government inauspicious to liberty, and are to be regarded as particularly hostile to republican liberty. -- George Washington, American Commander in chief of the colonial armies in the American Revolution and 1st US President I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it. -- Thomas Jefferson, 3rd US President and Author of the Declaration of Independence As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master. This expresses my idea of democracy. -- Abraham Lincoln, 16th U.S. President There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty. -- John Adams, 2nd U.S. President
Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. -- Abraham Lincoln, 16th U.S. President Freedom means you are unobstructed in living your life as you choose. Anything less is a form of slavery. -- Wayne Dyer, American self-help advocate, author, and lecturer Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same. -- Ronald Reagan, 40th U.S. President Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it. -- Malcolm X, African-American leader and activist in the early 1960s Freedom makes a huge requirement of every human being. With freedom comes responsibility. For the person who is unwilling to grow up, the person who does not want to carry is own weight, this is a frightening prospect. -- Eleanor Roosevelt, Diplomat, humanitarian and wife of Franklin D. Roosevelt	Yankee Doodle, A.M. Willard, 1776
Most people do not really want freedom, because freedom involves responsibility, and most people are frightened of responsibility. -- Sigmund Freud, Austrian neurologist and Founder of psychoanalysis The best road to progress is freedom's road. -- John F. Kennedy, 35th U.S. President Money won't create success, the freedom to make it will. -- Nelson Mandela, South African Statesman, first democratically elected State President, and Nobel Peace Prize winner Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged. -- Ronald Reagan, 40th U.S. President It is not the fact of liberty but the way in which liberty is exercised that ultimately determines whether liberty itself survives. -- Dorothy Thompson, influential American journalist Democracy does not guarantee equality of conditions - it only guarantees equality of opportunity. - Irving Kristol, American columnist, journalist, and writer We preach the virtues of democracy abroad. We must practice its duties here at home. Voting is the first duty of democracy. - Lyndon B. Johnson, 36th U.S. President The most effective way to restrict democracy is to transfer decision-making from the public arena to unaccountable institutions: kings and princes, priestly castes, military juntas, party dictatorships, or modern corporations. -- Avram Noam Chomsky, American Linguist and Activist The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. -- Thomas Jefferson, 3rd US President and Author of the Declaration of Independence Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to assure the survival and success of liberty. -- John F. Kennedy, 35th U.S. President This, then, is the state of the union: free and restless, growing and full of hope. So it was in the beginning. So it shall always be, while God is willing, and we are strong enough to keep the faith. -- Lyndon B. Johnson, 36th U.S. President Liberty may be endangered by the abuse of liberty, but also by the abuse of power. -- James Madison, 4th U.S. President Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty. - Ronald Reagan, 40th U.S. President I weep for the liberty of my country when I see at this early day of its successful experiment that corruption has been imputed to many members of the House of Representatives, and the rights of the people have been bartered for promises of office. -- Andrew Jackson A Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever. -- John Adams, 2nd U.S. President

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Congress Authorizes Spying On All Americans Without Due Process

Breaking » Congress Authorizes Spying On All Americans Without Due Process

Aaron Nelson
December 11, 2104
(TheAntiMedia) Yesterday, the House passed H.R. 4681. The bill, which was also passed by the Senate on Tuesday, authorizes spying on all Americans without due process. It grants the executive branch virtually unlimited access to the communications of every American.
From Around the Web.



The commentary below was published by U.S. Representative Justin Amash (yes, a member of Congress himself) on his official Facebook page late Wednesday night:

When I learned that the Intelligence Authorization Act for FY 2015 was being rushed to the floor for a vote—with little debate and only a voice vote expected (i.e., simply declared “passed” with almost nobody in the room)—I asked my legislative staff to quickly review the bill for unusual language. What they discovered is one of the most egregious sections of law I’ve encountered during my time as a representative: It grants the executive branch virtually unlimited access to the communications of every American.
On Wednesday afternoon, I went to the House floor to demand a roll call vote on the bill so that everyone’s vote would have to be recorded. I also sent the letter below to every representative.
With more time to spread the word, we would have stopped this bill, which passed 325-100. Thanks to the 99 other representatives—44 Republicans and 55 Democrats—who voted to protect our rights and uphold the Constitution. And thanks to my incredibly talented staff.

Amash also attached a copy of the letter he sent to his colleagues in Congress, which warned them of the dangers of passing the Intelligence Authorization Act for FY 2015 [H.R. 4681]:

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Block New Spying on U.S. Citizens: Vote “NO” on H.R. 4681

Dear Colleague:

The intelligence reauthorization bill, which the House will vote on today, contains a troubling new provision that for the first time statutorily authorizes spying on U.S. citizens without legal process.

Last night, the Senate passed an amended version of the intelligence reauthorization bill with a new Sec. 309—one the House never has considered. Sec. 309 authorizes “the acquisition, retention, and dissemination” of nonpublic communications, including those to and from U.S. persons. The section contemplates that those private communications of Americans, obtained without a court order, may be transferred to domestic law enforcement for criminal investigations.

To be clear, Sec. 309 provides the first statutory authority for the acquisition, retention, and dissemination of U.S. persons’ private communications obtained without legal process such as a court order or a subpoena. The administration currently may conduct such surveillance under a claim of executive authority, such as E.O. 12333. However, Congress never has approved of using executive authority in that way to capture and use Americans’ private telephone records, electronic communications, or cloud data.

Supporters of Sec. 309 claim that the provision actually reins in the executive branch’s power to retain Americans’ private communications. It is true that Sec. 309 includes exceedingly weak limits on the executive’s retention of Americans’ communications. With many exceptions, the provision requires the executive to dispose of Americans’ communications within five years of acquiring them—although, as HPSCI admits, the executive branch already follows procedures along these lines.

In exchange for the data retention requirements that the executive already follows, Sec. 309 provides a novel statutory basis for the executive branch’s capture and use of Americans’ private communications. The Senate inserted the provision into the intelligence reauthorization bill late last night. That is no way for Congress to address the sensitive, private information of our constituents—especially when we are asked to expand our government’s surveillance powers.

I urge you to join me in voting “no” on H.R. 4681, the intelligence reauthorization bill, when it comes before the House today.

/s/

Justin Amash
Member of Congress

U.S. Representatives Who Voted NO:

Amash
Bass
Bentivolio
Blumenauer
Bonamici
Brat
Bridenstine
Brooks (AL)
Broun (GA)
Burgess
Chu
Clark (MA)
Clarke (NY)
Clawson (FL)
Cohen
Conyers
Cummings
DeFazio
DelBene
DesJarlais
Doggett
Doyle
Duncan (SC)
Duncan (TN)
Eshoo
Farr
Garamendi
Garcia
Garrett
Gibson
Gohmert
Gosar
Gowdy
Graves (GA)
Grayson
Griffith (VA)
Grijalva
Gutiérrez
Hahn
Hanabusa
Hastings (FL)
Heck (WA)
Holt
Honda
Huelskamp
Huffman
Jackson Lee
Jones
Jordan
Kaptur
Kildee
Kingston
Labrador
Lee (CA)
Lewis
Lofgren
Lowenthal
Lummis
Massie
Matsui
McClintock
McCollum
McDermott
McGovern
Meadows
Mica
Moore
Mulvaney
Nadler
Nugent
O’Rourke
Pallone
Perry
Pocan
Poe (TX)
Polis
Posey
Rangel
Ribble
Roe (TN)
Rohrabacher
Salmon
Sanford
Schakowsky
Scott, Austin
Sensenbrenner
Serrano
Speier
Stockman
Swalwell (CA)
Takano
Tierney
Tipton
Velázquez
Waters
Weber (TX)
Welch
Woodall
Yarmuth
Yoho

U.S. Rep. Justin Amash

Just last week Justin Amash was one of only 10 members of Congress to vote No on a war propaganda bill Ron Paul says ‘recklessly declares war on Russia‘ and essentially authorizes Obama to supply lethal weapons to the Ukrainian Government.
Who is this Justin Amash, you ask?
Here are 5 reasons why Justin Amash is leading the resistance provided by the founder of People Against the NDAA, Dan Johnson:
1. He regularly speaks out about the NDAA
Within days of the Senate vote on the 2012 NDAA, Amash published “The Truth about the New Detainee Policy” in Red State, one of America’s most influential Republican blogs, slamming the Senate’s decision to allow the indefinite military detention of citizens without trial. He gathered a coalition to fight the sections, called out their dangers in town halls, fact-checked the House Armed Service Committee’s “fact sheet” on the detention provisions, and he continues to support amendments to block the NDAA in the House.

2. He introduced the Smith-Amash amendment the year after the 2012 NDAA passed
Talk is cheap, particularly in politics. Yet Rep. Amash did more than just talk. Together with Adam Smith (D-WA), Amash introduced the Smith-Amash amendment to repeal the detention provisions in the 2012 NDAA. Though it failed in the House, Amash was able to successfully show that Republicans were complete hypocrites when they talk about Constitutional rights. The amendment failed 237-182.
3. He heralded the Smith-Gibson Amendment in 2013, and Smith-Broun in 2014
Not to be deterred by the failure of his last amendment, Amash supported the identical Smith-Gibson Amendment the next year, once again to repeal the detention provisions hidden in the 2012 NDAA. This time, Amash and Smith were able to gather an even larger coalition of Representatives, bringing the vote to a much closer loss of only 200-226. He voted “yea” once again on the Smith-Broun amendment in 2014, bringing the total times he supported an amendment to repeal the detention provisions to three.
4. He even goes outside of Congress
This is one thing that makes Amash stand out above just about anyone in Congress. When a bill was introduced in the Washington state legislature with intent to prohibit the 2012 NDAA’s detention provisions, Rep. Amash sent a detailed letter of his support for a bill that would never affect him and was nowhere near his district.
5. He won’t allow false fixes to slant his vote
One of the most dangerous threats to true liberty is false security. How better to disable a resistance movement, than, while changing nothing, convincing them they have won?
Amash has so far had none of that. He correctly spoke out against the Feinstein-Lee Amendment in 2012, a false fix heralded by many as the end of NDAA indefinite detention, even when powerful Senators like Rand Paul and Mike Lee supported it.

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Congress Passes Bill Giving Police Unlimited Access to Citizens’ Private Communications http://b4in.org/fCVy

In a sneak attack on the civil liberties of all Americans, the Intelligence Authorization Act for 2015 was rushed to the House floor with virtually no debate.

The legislation was scheduled for only a “voice vote,” which means that it is simply declared “passed” with voice votes and no record.

This is considered the simplest and quickest voting method, not what one would expect from such an important piece of legislation. For most pieces of major legislation, a roll call vote would be the standard operating procedure.

Thankfully, Representative Justin Amash, when catching wind of what was transpiring, went to the House floor to demand a roll call vote so that everyone would have to have their vote recorded.

The fact that this important piece of legislation was handled in this way indicates that this was done intentionally to sneak it past the public eye. It becomes even more suspicious when you realize that it was done concurrently with the CIA torture report being released and the Gruber hearing.

It seems clear there was an effort made to slip the vote by without having to answer to the American people, as Congress is well aware that Americans do not want to be spied upon by their government after the revelations by Edward Snowden.

Congressman Justin Amash stated that when he learned this bill was “being rushed to the floor for a vote… I asked my legislative staff to quickly review the bill for unusual language.”

What he says next should raise red flags for every American citizen.

He claims what his staff discovered was:

“One of the most egregious sections of law I’ve encountered during my time as a representative: It grants the executive branch virtually unlimited access to the communications of every American.”

The bill in question is H.R. 4681.

Rep. Amash wrote a last minute letter to all of his colleagues in Congress to implore them to vote “NO” on H.R. 4681.

More http://b4in.org/fCVy






Well folks your gonna be real secure now!!!!

Veterans Arrested For Anti-Obama Facebook Posts – Police Militarized For Veterans



Veterans are being arrested by Secret Service for making anti-Obama Facebook posts, sometimes the very next day after creating a post – a practice which has been going on for quite some time.

All the while, our police force is being militarized at an alarming rate, with veterans being cited as one reason why. This is revealed in a statement made last month by Sgt. Dan Downing of the Morgan County, Ind. Sheriff’s Department, he stated “The weaponry is totally different now that it was in the beginning of my career, plus, you have a lot of people who are coming out of the military that have the ability and knowledge to build IEDs and to defeat law enforcement techniques.

DHS has specific programs to silence veterans, such as Operation Vigilant Eagle, which was started in 2009. See more on this program below.

We’ve seen the Washington Times report on a memo detailing Obama’s plan to use the military against citizens. Of course strategically it makes sense that in any such war, the first targets would be those who can defeat local law enforcement, organize others into field-ready teams, and train the other patriots in the finer points of combat: our veterans.

In the four years since the start of Operation Vigilant Eagle, the government has steadily ramped up its campaign to “silence” dissidents, especially those with military backgrounds. Coupled with the DHS’ dual reports on Rightwing and Leftwing “Extremism,” which broadly define extremists as individuals and groups “that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely,” these tactics have boded ill for anyone seen as opposing the government.

One particularly troubling mental health label being applied to veterans and others who challenge the status quo is “oppositional defiance disorder” (ODD). As journalist Anthony Martin explains, an ODD diagnosis.

“denotes that the person exhibits ‘symptoms’ such as the questioning of authority, the refusal to follow directions, stubbornness, the unwillingness to go along with the crowd, and the practice of disobeying or ignoring orders. Persons may also receive such a label if they are considered free thinkers, nonconformists, or individuals who are suspicious of large, centralized government… At one time the accepted protocol among mental health professionals was to reserve the diagnosis of oppositional defiance disorder for children or adolescents who exhibited uncontrollable defiance toward their parents and teachers.”

The case of 26-year-old decorated Marine Brandon Raub—who was targeted because of his Facebook posts, interrogated by government agents about his views on government corruption, arrested with no warning, labeled mentally ill for subscribing to so-called “conspiratorial” views about the government, detained against his will in a psych ward for standing by his views, and isolated from his family, friends and attorneys—is a prime example of the government’s war on veterans.

Raub’s case exposes the seedy underbelly of a governmental system that is targeting Americans—especially military veterans—for expressing their discontent over America’s rapid transition to a police state.

video 2 here:

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http://www.truthandaction.org/vetera...ed-veterans/2/