They are not even trying to hide it anymore.:o
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War on Drugs is a sick joke. Legalize and regulate.
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Drug dealers kill people, destroy families and might deserve the death penalty or life in prison for their crimes, President Trump says.
Trump, speaking at a rally Saturday in Pennsylvania for congressional candidate Rick Saccone, said he got the idea from the leaders of China and Singapore. The U.S. criminal justice system, Trump said, is too soft on drugs.
“You kill 5,000 people with drugs because you’re smuggling them in and you are making a lot of money and people are dying. And they don’t even put you in jail,” Trump said. “That’s why we have a problem, folks. I don’t think we should play games.”
Trump said he recently asked the president of Singapore if that country has a drug problem.
"He said 'We have a zero tolerance policy. That means if we catch a drug dealer, death penalty,'" Trump said.
Yes, we do have to do something, and you've taken the best first positive step in that direction by supporting states who have decided to legalize and regulate marijuana so there is safe, legal access to cannabis products in the US, home-grown, processed in the US in nice facilities, and sold in nice stores by decent business people instead of grown in foreign countries, processed in filthy slave labor camps, hauled in here by illegal aliens and sold on the street by vicious criminals working for the drug cartels.Quote:
Trump acknowledged Saturday that his idea might have dissenters.
"Probably you'll have some people who say 'Oh, that's not nice," Trump said. "But we have to do something."
Everyone will soon see the results in the numbers. It's the right decision and some version of this will soon apply to other types of recreational drugs in the not too distant future.
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You don't believe that the US should mimic Singapore, do you?
What about the Federal Government that has been accused of drug dealing through many credible sources.
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We all know his deal with Sen. Gardner was less about legalizing drugs and more about getting Gardner to quit blocking his DOJ nominees. Let's keep things in the proper context. As Trump has shown repeatedly, he is more than ready to flip-flop on any promise he makes when and if he thinks it will benefit him. The truth matters.
Frame it however it suits you, the result's the same.
Good luck with getting an answer to that one!
If a person has a position, they should be able to tell you why they hold it.
Here's a position that I hold, needless to say that it is unconstitutional:
I believe that if you are an illegal alien and you kill someone through malice or negligence (drunk driving), you should be executed.
I can explain in detail why I believe it and at the same time I know it's unconstututional, but I still would be in favor of a law like that.
I"m opposed to the death penalty for anyone, even though some would probably deserve it.
The best answer I can give you is, it depends on the specific circumstances.
The state execution of drug smugglers that President Trump supports is already legal under a 1944 law passed by Bill Clinton. But to my knowledge federal prosecutors have never used it.
Each state has its own drug sales or trafficking laws. The state laws generally apply when the drug sale occurs in that state. However, federal laws can apply when the drug sale occurs on federal land or if any part of the drug sale involved activity crossing state or international borders.
For the record, I do support the death penalty.
Read the "Offender Information" link. Go To the bottom and read "summary of incident". Many deserve a worse fate than a needle prick.
https://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/death_r...ers_on_dr.html
Many laws still on the books are implicitly declared unconstitutional. I don't know about that drug law you are talking about
but I do know that the State of Louisiana can't execute rapists even though it is "on the books".
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Rape a child, pay with your life, Louisiana argues
ANGOLA, Louisiana (CNN) -- He is not a killer, but the state of Louisiana is determined to execute Patrick Kennedy for his crime.
http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/CRIME/04...n/art.rape.jpgPatrick Kennedy, 43, is on Louisiana's death row for the rape of his 8-year-old stepdaughter.
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The New Orleans native faces that reality as he sits on death row at Louisiana's maximum security prison, the largest prison in the nation. The Louisiana State Penitentiary, or Angola Prison, is the size of Manhattan and surrounded on three sides by the Mississippi River.
Unlike the 3,300 inmates awaiting execution nationwide -- including the 94 other men at Angola -- Kennedy, 43, is a convicted rapist. The victim was his 8-year-old stepdaughter.
For the first time in 44 years, a state is preparing to execute a man for a felony other than murder. The U.S. Supreme Court will hear argumentsWednesday on whether Louisiana can use capital punishment in child rape cases.
The constitutional question before the justices is whether the death penalty for violent crimes other than homicide constitutes "cruel and unusual" punishment. The high-profile examination of the death penalty also raises anew a national debate over selective prosecution and race.
"A lot of people think there should not be the death penalty [in this case] because the child survives," said Kate Bartholomew, a sex crimes prosecutor in New Orleans. "In my opinion the rape of a child is more heinous and more hideous than a homicide."
Kennedy's appellate attorney, Billy Sothern, argues, "When we look at what it means to be cruel and unusual, this is exactly the kind of thing that raises these serious concerns of the constitutionality of Mr. Kennedy's death sentence."
Kennedy was sentenced to die in 2003 for sexually assaulting his stepdaughter in her bed. The crime occurred in a quiet neighborhood in Harvey, across the big river from New Orleans. Besides severe emotional trauma, Louisiana prosecutors said the attack caused internal injuries and bleeding to the child, requiring extensive surgery.
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The former moving company driver had claimed two teenage boys committed the crime near the family's garage, a story the girl -- identified in court papers as "L.H." -- repeated for 18 months after the ordeal.
An African-American teenager was initially arrested, based on Kennedy's allegations, but later was cleared of any wrongdoing. Kennedy also is African-American.
Police in Jefferson Parish quickly turned their suspicions on him as the attacker.
The girl later accused her stepfather, after she returned home from a temporary stay in foster care. Kennedy has denied the charges, but the state supreme court upheld the conviction and punishment.
The U.S. Supreme Court, both in 1976 and a year later, banned capital punishment for rape -- and by implication any other crime except murder. But Louisiana 19 years later passed a law allowing execution for the sexual violation of a child under 12. State lawmakers contended the earlier high court cases pertained only to "adult women."
Death penalty opponents say Louisiana is the only state to actively pursue lethal injection for child rapists, and argue, among other things, that it could give attackers a reason to murder their victims.
"If they're going to face the death penalty for raping a child, why would they leave a living witness?" said Judy Benitez, executive director of the Louisiana Foundation against Sexual Assaults.
Benitez also says testifying in a death penalty case can be deeply traumatic for child. And the risk of wrongful prosecution may be higher is such cases since children might prove to be unreliable witnesses for the prosecution, because of their susceptibility to suggestive, leading questions.
No one in the United States has been executed for rape since 1964. Other state and federal crimes theoretically eligible for execution include treason, aggravated kidnapping, drug trafficking, aircraft hijacking and espionage. None of these crimes have been prosecuted as a capital offense in decades, if ever.
In the appeal filed with the high court, Sothern argues Louisiana "flouts the overwhelming national consensus that capital punishment is an inappropriate penalty for any kind of rape."
The law's supporters counter that besides murder, no crime is more deserving of the death penalty, and the punishment would be used only in the most heinous of circumstances.
For its victims, "It takes away their innocence, it takes away their childhood, it mutilates their spirit. It kills their soul. They're never the same after these things happen," said Bartholomew, an assistant district attorney in Orleans Parish.
"Louisiana has been a pro-death penalty state for a very long time," the prosecutor added. "And I think a lot of people agree with the death penalty for this type of case here in our state."
Five other states have similar laws. Four of them -- Florida, Montana, Oklahoma and South Carolina -- have had them for years but not applied them in decades. Texas enacted its version in June, but no defendant has yet been designated death-eligible for child rape in any state but Louisiana.
Skin color has also played a role in the political and legal debate over expanding capital crimes to include rape.
"When we look at the death penalty in the South we always need to be conscious of the role that race plays," said Sothern, deputy director at the Capital Appeals Project, which represents all the state's death row inmates. "And I think that the fact that Mr. Kennedy [is] a black from Jefferson Parish, a place with a troubling record of racial discrimination, I think that that speaks volumes."
Sothern cites Department of Justice statistics showing that all 14 rapists executed by Louisiana in the past 75 years were African-American. Nationwide from 1930 to 1964, nearly 90 percent of executed rapists were black, he said.
Kennedy recently was joined on Louisiana's death row by another child rapist -- Richard Davis, who is white. Davis' legal appeals have barely begun.
The justices will no doubt consider loneliness of Louisiana's aggressive position when deciding whether a national consensus now exists to allow a broader range of crimes to become subject to capital punishment. The high court has in recent years banned execution for the mentally retarded, underage killers and those receiving an inadequate defense at trial.
Angola prison officials would not make Kennedy available for comment.
The youngster at the center of the case is now in college and wants to be a lawyer. Her family says that like most underage victims, she has been scarred forever, and they believe her assailant deserves the jury's punishment.
"It's going to be justice," said Lynn Ray, the victim's cousin. "It's going to be that she can look forwards and not backwards, and not have to look over your shoulders, and one day see him. Or see him coming after her."
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I am for the Death Penalty. We should have not have been forced to pay for Charles Manson to rot in prison for decades.
People who murder cops, violent gangs, cartel, child rapists, serial killers and many others should be executed in a timely fashion.
Too many of these vermin in our prisons and they are doing "business" behind bars.
I personally put cuffs on this guy.
Look at what he's done. I think he forfeited his right to live and breathe good air.
https://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/death_r...obarareli.html
WHY???
SO FEED AND HOUSE A CHILD RAPIST FOR 30 GRAND A YEAR??? A VIOLENT GANG MEMBER? A CARTEL? A SERIAL KILLER?
GOOD GRIEF...THEY ARE A WASTE OF OXYGEN AND OUR MONEY.
NO FREAKING WAY!
30 GRAND A YEAR TO HELP OUR SENIOR'S, OUR HOMELESS, OUR VETERAN'S, OVER A SICK FREAK WHO WILL NEVER BE TRUSTED AGAIN!
WHAT IF IT WAS YOUR CHILD? YOUR GRANDCHILD?
DON'T GIVE ME "WWJD"? WHY WOULD JESUS CREATE THESE SICK PEOPLE IN THE FIRST PLACE?
Doesn't matter. It shouldn't even be on the table. Authoritarianism is like a cancer and the thrill of the kill is like a drug high. First it's premeditated murderers, now its rapists, pedophiles and drug dealers. This is how you become a Sharia Law State. What next? Gays, transgenders, adulterers, drunk drivers, political opponents, anyone else you don't like? Sure, why not?
The cost of prisons is expensive, we know that. We currently have 2.3 million people incarcerated in the US. That's state, county, city, federal, Indian Reservations, immigration detention, and military. 800,000 of those are non-violent drug charges, over 1/3. End the War on Drugs and set these people free so we can afford to keep the killers in jail until they die or if there was mistake and an erroneous conviction, they can be freed.
So with drugs, it's about saving money, but endless imprisonment, money is not to be considered. You seem to subscribe to the slippery-slope philosophy where executing a guilty person for murder will lead to Sharia Law.
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When there is incontrovertible evidence of a murder, I feel execution is appropriate. If there is possible doubt, then life. Unfortunately, under our current laws, if you get life, you get life unless you have finances for an appeal. If you get death, you get an automatic appeal. So many innocent will never get out.Quote:
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I know all the arguments pro and con and have known them since I was kid and had to debate the issue. I'm against the death penalty, not for religious reasons, not for sympathy, it's political philosophy and how I believe our government should be restricted. I realize a lot of people support the death penalty and I don't think less of someone who does. It's just a difference of opinion.
I accept your view Judy, as a personal expression of what you feel is right.
I would just like to point out something that permeates the human condition called civility. We cannot act like animals. I've watched many episodes of Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom, and I never saw a Lion Sheriff arrest a lion and took him to a Lion Magistrate and held in a Lion jail until a Lion trial by a Lion Judge and Jury in a Lion Court and sentenced to Lion Years in a Lion Prison until he is Lion Paroled to be released back into Lion Society.
We don't follow animal rules and they don't follow ours. My example can be applied to rape, immigration, theft, assault and many other crimes.
Have you ever heard the story about the young rogue elephants acting out and causing all types of problems in Africa on a game reserve? You know how the Brits love African animals. Well, there was this rather large group of young rogue elephants in a wildlife preserve, a sanctuary of some sort. They were baby orphans that the wildlife authorities would find when their mothers had been killed in the wild by poachers, so they would gather them up and take them to this sanctuary for care to grow up. And when got about half to 2/3 grown they formed a gang and went around rebel-rousing, causing a lot of trouble and attacking other animals in the preserve, especially baby rhinos, killing some. It was a very serious problem.
So not knowing what to do with these bad boys, they called some experts in Britain who came down and studied the situation and decided on a plan. They left and returned some days later with full grown male elephants. And in no time at all, those full-grown male elephants had tamed this band of naughty boys into proper behavior. It wasn't just their actions, of standing firm and fighting back, it was a smell, called musk, the male musk had some taming value, it affected their whole psychology, and after awhile, the problem was solved, the young rogues were acting properly again, and the baby rhinos and other animals were safe again, because the young elephants were interacting with others properly. Animal civility had been restored to the preserve.
When you think about it, the animal kingdom is actually quite sophisticated.
I would rather execute a child molester and rapist than let these liberal Judges let them walk and molest another child or person.
I would rather execute Charles Manson, Jeffrey Dahlmer, El Chapo, than let them live or like Chapo...do their cartel business behind bars and kill more people with his drugs or violence.
They have NO sympathy for their victims...I have absolutely NO sympathy for these sick vermin.
Go in these prisons FULL of MS-13 gangs, they are sick animals who should be put down like the rabid dogs they are.
I remember that rapist in Northern California in the 80's...Singleton. He kidnapped and raped that girl, cut her ARMS off and shoved her in a ditch. She was on TV the other day telling the story. They caught him and he went to prison. He served time, got out and moved to Florida. He raped and killed another woman!!! Sorry, they should have fried him the first time. They are animals.
I know Beezer, but none of that vermin even get life, they don't even get 10 years.
So the lesson is having a firm influence, like putting them in jail, straightened them out!
The problems in our society, more prominently in the Black community, is the lack of a good family structure. Many kids with no father in the home get into trouble, like those elephants. That is where the solution must be. Once they are grown, it is very hard to change their behavior. But our society has moved away from the values that worked. Now many endorse free sex. It used to be a stigma to be promiscuous. And having children out of wedlock was shunned. But with this change, our children are like those young, parent-less elephants who hate everything that moves.
Is the answer to let them run wild?
Thanks to the liberal judges and their liberal supporters. Judge Rose Bird, a Jerry Brown appointee, did away with the death penalty in California, ignoring the wisdom of the juries who never wanted those convicts to walk free again. But in doing away with the death penalty, and no adjustment in the law to compensate, most on Death Row got paroled and were out to murder again.
"Putting them in jail" is what you males in legislatures, Congress, law enforcement, courts and the whole "law and order" movement have been doing for decades and decades and for the black community, centuries.
Some of you blame women, some blame drugs, some blame race, blacks in particular, some blame guns, some blame sex, and some blame all of the above.
In other words, you've blamed everyone and everything except .... yourselves.
There was no lesson to be learned from my story that applied to humans. It was the simple recognition of the sophistication of the animal kingdom. We use the term "animals" as if it's an insult, and I do it too, but in reality, our animal kingdom is quite marvelous with far more intelligent design and intelligence than we have often understood. It was a nature program station that aired this documentary, Animal Planet, I think.
Even if you want to go off the rails and compare humans to animals, the male elephants were not their fathers, they weren't even from the same preserve, they had to be caught, drugged, cranes used to lift them on to trucks, then planes, flown into the area where the bad boys were and then unloaded and so forth. They were just unrelated male elephants who saw the problem and knew how to solve it themselves, mainly with their presence and musk scent. There was no confinement, no punishment, no harm done to the young elephants.
It was male humans engaged in poaching who killed the mothers of the young elephants for their ivory tusks that left the baby elephants orphans to begin with.
Maybe that's the lesson to be learned by humans if there is one.
This vermin needs to be kept locked up. Again, I don't support the death penalty, but I certainly support life sentences for any crime that mutilates or murders someone, intentionally, not accidents. You're right, the legislature needs to fix the laws so the incarceration time fits the brutality of the crime.
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So it was pointless! :-?Quote:
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It is having a good guide showing the proper way to behave. In humans, as with animals, "an idle mind is the devil's playground." There was a old song "I Want A Girl Just Like The Girl That Married Dear Old Dad". If you grow up in a family environment where you respect your parents like that, chances are you will grow up knowing how to act like them. But kids who don't get attention usually get into trouble as a way to get attention.
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So you just hate all males!Quote:
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No, the male elephants did not capture them and take them to a preserve. Humans rescued the baby elephants and took them to the preserve to feed and water them so they could grow up instead of starve to death in the wild.
Yes, all your interjections into my conversation with Boomslang have been pointless. Your parents never taught you to "mind your own business"? Geez, we might be on to something here after all.
The complaint wasn't that they were starving to death, they were killing everything in sight! You now refer to them as "baby elephants", but you said they were "2/3 grown". They were teenagers! And they hadn't starved by then. The humans brought in a therapist, after all, there were adult males out in the wild, but they didn't help.
Well, you and Boomslang could converse by private mail instead of on this open forum if you don't want people to know what you are talking about.Quote:
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Geez, first you bring in rambunctious teenage elephants, then say they had nothing to do with what we are talking about, now you drag my parents into this discussion. :roll:Quote:
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You brought your parents into the discussion.
You brought jails and human crime into the discussion.
You brought mistaken reading into the discussion, i. e. there was no complaint. It was a beautiful action by the people who save the orphans of poaching and the Brits who figured out how to save the baby rhinos by helping the young male elephants learn to behave properly. It had nothing to do with you, your views, your parents, human youth, crime or any complaints at all.
In the criminal justice system the punishment needs to match the injury. If you willfully and purposely commit murder then you too should be put to death.
Where?
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There was some motivation for them to take those elephants to a sanctuary.Quote:
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Just like the beautiful action you propose by legalizing drugs so there will be no reason to put drug dealers in jail.Quote:
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Then why did you post it? Your words: "And when got about half to 2/3 grown they formed a gang and went around rebel-rousing, causing a lot of trouble and attacking other animals in the preserve, especially baby rhinos, killing some. It was a very serious problem." If they treated those elephants the way you want to treat drug using kids, they would have let nature take its course. So you praise intervening to protect animals in the wild but condemn doing the same for members of our society.Quote:
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Wow! Cool!
Well, I guess the next step in this is to figure out how to bottle that African Male Elephant Musk Scent so we can rub it on our American naughty boys and cure them!
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