The Thom Hartmann program is broadcast nationwide on "Progressive" radio. Many of these broadcaster---Ed Schultz, Norman Goldman, Randi Rhoads--claim to be moderate, but a great deal of their rant is misinformed progressive drivel that appeals to other misinformed people. Moreover they seem to work pretty hard to shut down callers who are proving them wrong, or interrupt them when they are making a point. In my case I simply got cut off when I started showing the fallacy of Mr. Hartman's criticism of Arizona and his view--common among left side commentators--that it is only the business owners who should be prosecuted.

I pointed out to him that within these large illegal aliens cultures there are a lot of people employed, and businesses established, simply servicing the needs of the community.

At first in our conversation I asked him what he knew about the great amount of philanthropy that conservatives in Border States already pour into projects south of the border. This comes out of discretionary income. Thus when the people have to pay higher taxes to fight crime or provide social services it takes away from this income and restricts their financial contribution.