Thread: Kill the Bill, Invoke the 10th

Kill the Bill, Invoke the 10th

21. Mar, 2010
by Brian Roberts

The federal government takeover of the health care industry and your loss of medical freedom only lacks a Presidential signature to become a federal law. We the people know that this cannot stand if America is to remain a free country. Keep your head up, it is time to invoke the 10th and kill this bill and the others soon to follow once and for all.

Lenin said:

“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialismâ€

I agree with the goal here, but please remember, that the 10th Amendment is not just about the powers of the states, it is also about the powers reserved to the people.

"Amendment X

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

And the Tenth Amendment is no more important than the Ninth Amendment, which for some reason people often overlook:

"Amendment IX

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

I think people who organize these efforts still think of government as the way to fix our problems, and when the feds disappoint us, they turn to the states, when the states disappoint us, they turn to the feds, forgetting all the while that the powers reserved and the rights retained by the people of the United States exist with or without a state or federal government.

So the author of this article, Brian Roberts, who claimed:

"States have many constitutional options when dealing with the federal government including court challenges, nullification and interposition to name a few. Individually, you do not have these, so you must focus on using your influence to make sure your state representatives know about and are willing to use these tools." means well but he is wrong.

"individually, you do not have these, ...."

I beg to differ, Mr. Roberts. The Ninth Amendment gives me and every other American, individually or collectively, the right to any court challenge, nullification or interposition necessary to protect, preserve and defend all our rights, enumerated or otherwise.

I also disagree with this statement:

"State governments share power with the federal government as equal partners in a system designed to decentralize power and protect “we the peopleâ€

Good post Judy. I like your summary of the back and forth between the State and Fed. I couldn't have said it any better myself. The people have forgotten themselves, therefore their Rights have been forgotten.

Actually, I think we are all to extent, 9-10ers. Wow another acronym! The main point being is that they work very well together in tandem. And the ironic part is, I am to the point in the book on Thomas Jefferson right now that is dealing with the Constitutional Convention and the Bill of Rights. A very interesting chapter indeed considering that he was France at the time, but through his own domestic writing and his corrospondence with Madison and other delegates, he was still influential in the Convention.

But your idea is solid in that unless you injure another, or damage their property, you are to be left alone. But government likes to meddle. They aren't happy unless they are invasive to their constituents. Which is why their powers were enumerated and the size of government contained in it's scope and power.

Originally Posted by Hylander_1314

Good post Judy. I like your summary of the back and forth between the State and Fed. I couldn't have said it any better myself. The people have forgotten themselves, therefore their Rights have been forgotten.

Actually, I think we are all to extent, 9-10ers. Wow another acronym! The main point being is that they work very well together in tandem. And the ironic part is, I am to the point in the book on Thomas Jefferson right now that is dealing with the Constitutional Convention and the Bill of Rights. A very interesting chapter indeed considering that he was France at the time, but through his own domestic writing and his corrospondence with Madison and other delegates, he was still influential in the Convention.

But your idea is solid in that unless you injure another, or damage their property, you are to be left alone. But government likes to meddle. They aren't happy unless they are invasive to their constituents. Which is why their powers were enumerated and the size of government contained in it's scope and power.

Thank you. Yes, absolutely, we are to be left alone until we harm another or damage someone else's property. I love your acronym 9-10ers because those 2 Amendments are the 2 most important sentences in the entire Constitution, yet they are almost never discussed or taught except for the states rights portion of the Tenth Amendment and that is almost always within the erroneous context of justifying the abomination of slavery.

So someone who knows the Tenth Amendment Center needs to bring this to their attention, because if they do as I suggest and link the 2 amendments the way they were clearly intended, they would have a winnable platform to energize this entire nation to save our country for the benefit of our citizens and our posterity.

Originally Posted by Judy

I love your acronym 9-10ers because those 2 Amendments are the 2 most important sentences in the entire Constitution, yet they are almost never discussed or taught except for the states rights portion of the Tenth Amendment and that is almost always within the erroneous context of justifying the abomination of slavery.

So someone who knows the Tenth Amendment Center needs to bring this to their attention, because if they do as I suggest and link the 2 amendments the way they were clearly intended, they would have a winnable platform to energize this entire nation to save our country for the benefit of our citizens and our posterity.

Good points. A good example of not seeing the forest through the trees.

Your point on the 10th being used to justify the abomination of slavery is right on. But the underlying point is meant to destroy State's Rights, and the Rights of the people in favor of a top down control from Washington, instead of a bottom up as was present before the Civil War. We all agree now except for a few morons that linger like a bad hangover that the institution of slavery was a bad practise. A blind man can see that.

I don't really know anybody over there, but I do pop in occassionally to see what's up.

Originally Posted by Hylander_1314

Originally Posted by Judy

I love your acronym 9-10ers because those 2 Amendments are the 2 most important sentences in the entire Constitution, yet they are almost never discussed or taught except for the states rights portion of the Tenth Amendment and that is almost always within the erroneous context of justifying the abomination of slavery.

So someone who knows the Tenth Amendment Center needs to bring this to their attention, because if they do as I suggest and link the 2 amendments the way they were clearly intended, they would have a winnable platform to energize this entire nation to save our country for the benefit of our citizens and our posterity.

Good points. A good example of not seeing the forest through the trees.

Your point on the 10th being used to justify the abomination of slavery is right on. But the underlying point is meant to destroy State's Rights, and the Rights of the people in favor of a top down control from Washington, instead of a bottom up as was present before the Civil War. We all agree now except for a few morons that linger like a bad hangover that the institution of slavery was a bad practise. A blind man can see that.

I don't really know anybody over there, but I do pop in occassionally to see what's up.

Yes, lingering like a bad hangover is right. Well said.

If you drop in over there and they have a forum, copy my posts and post them over there. See what people say or comment. You never know ... it could help them see what they haven't found on their own yet. The more people who see it clearly, the sooner they'll know what must be done, and they'll make the 2010 elections really count for something that will help us repeal the unsavory portions of this health care reform bill, stop illegal immigration, pass the FarTax, protect our trade, legalize/regulate/tax the illegal drug trade and drill baby drill.

You realize the health care reform bill is going to create another 16,000 IRS agents at a cost of another $10 billion to enforce the health care mandates? We need the FairTax more than ever.

Originally Posted by Judy

You realize the health care reform bill is going to create another 16,000 IRS agents at a cost of another $10 billion to enforce the health care mandates? We need the FairTax more than ever.

Yeah the Declaration of Independence said this:

He has erected a Multitude of new Offices. and
sent hither Swarms of Officers to harass our People
and eat out their Substance.

I don't see anything different.

There is no difference.

That's why it's getting to be time to re-address the Declaration and present it to an uncaring out of control 3 headed monster and demand they get their s**t together, or else.

I hate to say it, but it's looking like the soapbox isn't having too much affect on them. If the ballotbox doesn't work this time around. Ooooooooooohhhhhhhhh I loathe to think it.

Originally Posted by Hylander_1314

That's why it's getting to be time to re-address the Declaration and present it to an uncaring out of control 3 headed monster and demand they get their s**t together, or else.

I hate to say it, but it's looking like the soapbox isn't having too much affect on them. If the ballotbox doesn't work this time around. Ooooooooooohhhhhhhhh I loathe to think it.

The soap box never works on the traitors. The soap box is for the patriots, to wake them up, to inform them, to solicit their help to save our country. You can't convince a traitor to change its ways. All we can do is gain the support of the vast majority of Americans to remove the traitors from power and prosecute them for whatever crimes they've committed as the law allows after they're out of office and can do no more harm.

2010. Make it count. It's one of the most crucial elections in the United States since 1860.