Thread: Is He Legal????

Here is another reason to throw a fit about Obama's Legality.

Now I know that every county Has a Vital Statistics and keeps Original records of birth and marraige, and death ect. The people need to get a Judge to order relese of Obama's Original Birth cert quick!! And If Its true then he might have to deal with this little known problem.

I need Your thoughts!!!! And What can WE Do!!
It now appears that Barack Obama is constitutionally ineligible for the office of president. John McCain's eligibility was established in 1964, when courts ruled Sen. Barry Goldwater was eligible although he was born in Arizona when it was a territory, not a state. McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone when it was a U.S. Territory.
And, even as the controlled media continues to ignore the ineligibility of Obama, it will not go away. While few doubt that the Democrats will manage to pull off his nomination, all remain poised to view the legal performance.
The first hurdle will be having Obama produce his birth certificate, which so far he has refused to do, and prove that he was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961,as he has always claimed. There is speculation that his American mother may have brought him to Honolulu shortly after his birth in Kenya , but no proof of that has been shown.
According to the law on the books at the time of Obama's birth, the office of president requires that a candidate be a natural citizen if the child was not born to two U.S. Citizen parents. Since he was not,should it be proven that Obama was not born in Hawaii , as claimed, he is ineligible without further debate. But assuring that he was born there, he has another problem.
According to a legal researcher who has contacted the AFP, U.S. Law very clearly states: 'If only one parent is a U.S. Citizen at the time of one's birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for a minimum of 10 years, five of which must be after the age of 16.' And therein lies Obama's new problem.
Barack Obama's father was never a U.S. Citizen.
Interestingly, there isn't much paperwork on the marriage of Obama's parents, and this has a few researchers speculating that it never took place at all. On page 27 of 'Obama: From Promise to Power', David Mendell writes: 'Obama later confessed that he never searched for the government documents on the marriage, although Madelyn (Obama's maternal grandmother) insisted they were legally married.' He also notes that Obama's father apparently was not legally divorced from his first wife back in Kenya at the time, a point of contention that ultimately led to their separation. This also would suggest that there may never have been any legal marriage by Obama's parents at all, but the Constitution does not ban an illegitimate child from the White House, as long as he was born inside the U.S.
Obama's mother was born in Kansas and was only 18 when Obama was born. This means even though she satisfied the citizen requirement for 10
Years, she was not a citizen for at least five years prior to Obama's birth. In essence, the mother alone is not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At most, two years elapsed from his mother turning 16 to the time of Barack Obama's birth when she was 18. His mother would have needed to have been 16 + 5 = 21 years old at the time of Barack Obama's birth for him to be a natural-born citizen. Barack Obama was already three years old at the time his mother turned 21.
Technically, Obama should have been naturalized as a citizen, but that, of course, would disqualify him from holding the office of president. If the allegations are accurate, America could install in January of 2009 a new president who is not even a U.S. Citizen, neither born nor naturalized.
It should be demanded that Obama produce his 1961 Hawaiian birth certificate.
If he cannot satisfactorily do so, he should be deemed immediately ineligible to hold the office of president.'

Please clarify: if Obama's mother was born on US soil, she is automatically a US citizen since birth, and what does being 21 have to do with anything. Is there a link to prove she gave up her citizenship at the age of 16, because I have heard the parents met when Obama Sr. attended the same college as her.

One would think that the republicans would be all over this.

Guess not.

I am sure that any possibility of Obama not qualifying to run is being looked at very intently. But hey don't fret he will lose anyway.

Originally Posted by vortex

Please clarify: if Obama's mother was born on US soil, she is automatically a US citizen since birth, and what does being 21 have to do with anything. Is there a link to prove she gave up her citizenship at the age of 16, because I have heard the parents met when Obama Sr. attended the same college as her.

Obama's mother's citizenship isn't in question. As a citizen, in order for Obama to be a legal U.S. citizen, his mother would have had to RESIDE in the US for 10 years PRIOR to giving birth to him - 5 of those 10 years residence would have to be AFTER she turned 16. I believe she was 18 when he was born.

If BOTH parents were US legal citizens, this would not be an issue.

He was born in HI to my understanding and mother is a United States citizen. The insurance company or state medical will show if he was born, there. Someone would have had to pay for him to be born. I bet there is a paper trial.

If born out of the country to a US citizen, naturalization papers have to be filed.

I don't think Anna Nicole filed for her daughter to be naturalized American.

The courts need to rule I think on McCain, though.

from above:
John McCain's eligibility was established in 1964, when courts ruled Sen. Barry Goldwater was eligible although he was born in Arizona when it was a territory, not a state. McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone when it was a U.S. Territory.

The Panama Canal Zone is not owned by the United States or a state, it was being rented. McCain would be a naturalized citizen then ineligible to be president. This is were your efforts should be putting some focus on too.

His parents should have come INCONUS to have his birth.

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McCain’s Canal Zone Birth Prompts Queries About Whether
That Rules Him Out

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/po ... ccain.html

From left, LOWELL P. WEICKER JR., of Connecticut, born in Paris, was told he was eligible for the Oval Office. GEORGE ROMNEY, born in Mexico, ran for the presidency in 1968. BARRY GOLDWATER was born in the Arizona territory in 1909, before it became a state. CHESTER A. ARTHUR was born in Vermont, but rumors suggested it was Canada.

By CARL HULSE
Published: February 28, 2008

WASHINGTON — The question has nagged at the parents of Americans born outside the continental United States for generations: Dare their children aspire to grow up and become president? In the case of Senator John McCain of Arizona, the issue is becoming more than a matter of parental daydreaming.

Mr. McCain’s likely nomination as the Republican candidate for president and the happenstance of his birth in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936 are reviving a musty debate that has surfaced periodically since the founders first set quill to parchment and declared that only a “natural-born citizenâ€

If we go this way, the bucket of worms is NATURALIZED:

DO YOU REMEMBER THE CHILDREN OF SOLDIERS IN WAR TORN COUNTRIES;

SOME HAVE NEVER BEEN IN AMERICA BUT POSSIBLY ARE NATURALIZED?

NEVER BEEN IN AMERICA AND CAN BECOME PRESIDENT IS THE EXTREME,

HERE.
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vortex: thank you for the article - they did a bit of research I believe.

Barack Obama: Mother not just a girl from Kansas

http://tinyurl.com/5ktmus

Here is a link to an article Chicago Tribune did on Obama's mother, and no where does it mention that his mother left the US for years before he was born. And, guaranteed, if the Trib did not make certain of its facts before printing that, they would have the pudding sued out of them.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/entert...4.story?page=1