Thread: CONSERVATIVES LOST MORE THAN AN ELECTION By Chuck Baldwin

CONSERVATIVES LOST MORE THAN AN ELECTION

By Chuck Baldwin
November 7, 2008
NewsWithViews.com

That Barack Obama trounced John McCain last Tuesday should have surprised no one. In fact, in this column, weeks ago, I stated emphatically that John McCain could no more beat Barack Obama than Bob Dole could beat Bill Clinton. He didn't. (Hence a vote for John McCain was a "wasted" vote, was it not?) I also predicted that Obama would win with an electoral landslide. He did. The real story, however, is not how Barack Obama defeated John McCain. The real story is how John McCain defeated America's conservatives.

For all intents and purposes, conservatism--as a national movement--is completely and thoroughly dead. Barack Obama did not destroy it, however. It was George W. Bush and John McCain who destroyed conservatism in America.

Soon after G.W. Bush was elected, it quickly became obvious he was no conservative. On the contrary, George Bush has forever established himself as a Big-Government, warmongering, internationalist neocon. Making matters worse was the way Bush presented himself as a conservative Christian. In fact, Bush's portrayal of himself as a conservative Christian paved the way for the betrayal and ultimate destruction of conservatism (something I also predicted years ago). And the greatest tragedy of this deception is the way that Christian conservatives so thoroughly (and stupidly) swallowed the whole Bush/McCain neocon agenda.

For example, Bush and his fellow neocons like to categorize and promote themselves as being "pro-life," but they have no hesitation or reservation about killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people in reckless and unconstitutional foreign wars. By the same token, how many unborn babies were saved by six years of all three branches of the federal government being under the control of these "pro-life" neocons? Not one! Ask the more than eight million unborn babies who were killed in their mothers' wombs during the last eight years how "pro-life" George W. Bush and John McCain are.

As a result of this insanely inconsistent and pixilated punditry, millions of Americans now laugh at the very notion of "pro-life" conservatism. Bush and McCain have made a mockery of the very term.

Consider, too, the way Bush and McCain have allowed the international bankers on Wall Street to bilk America's taxpayers out of trillions of dollars. Yes, I know Obama also supported the Wall Street bailout, but it was the Republican Party that controlled the White House for the last eight years and the entire federal government for six out of the last eight years. In fact, the GOP has won seven out of the previous ten Presidential elections. They have controlled Supreme Court appointments for the past thirty-plus years. They have appointed the majority of Treasury secretaries and Federal Reserve chairmen. They have presided over the greatest trade imbalances, the biggest deficits, the biggest spending increases, and now the worst financial disaster since the Great Depression.

Again, the American people look at these so-called "conservatives" and laugh. No wonder such a sizeable majority of voters yawned when John McCain tried to scare them by accusing Barack Obama of being a "big taxer." How can one possibly scare people with a charge like that after the GOP has made a total mockery of fiscal conservatism? That's like trying to scare someone coming out from a swim in the Gulf of Mexico with a squirt gun.

Then there was the pathetic attempt by the National Rifle Association (NRA) to scare gun owners regarding an Obama White House. Remember that John McCain is the same guy that the NRA rightly condemned for proposing his blatantly unconstitutional McCain/Feingold bill. McCain is also the same guy that tried to close down gun shows. He even made a personal campaign appearance for a pro-gun control liberal in the State of Oregon a few short years ago. In fact, the Gun Owners of America (GOA) gave McCain a grade of "F" for his dismal record on Second Amendment issues. Once again, Chicken Little-style paranoia over Barack Obama rang hollow when the alternative was someone as liberal as John McCain.

But the worst calamity of this election was the way conservatives--especially Christian conservatives--surrendered their principles for the sake of political partisanship. The James Dobsons of this country should hang their heads in shame! Not only did they lose an election, they lost their integrity!

In South Carolina, for example, pro-life Christians and conservatives had an opportunity to vote for a principled conservative-constitutionalist for the U.S. Senate. He is pro-life, pro-Second Amendment, and pro-traditional marriage. He believes in securing our borders against illegal immigration. He is against the bailout for the Wall Street banksters. His conservative credentials are unassailable. But the vast majority of Christian conservatives (including those at Bob Jones University) voted for his liberal opponent instead.

The man that the vast majority of Christian conservatives voted for in South Carolina is a Big-Government neocon. He supported the bailout of the Wall Street banksters. He is a rabid supporter of granting amnesty and a pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens. In fact, this man has a conservative rating of only 29% in the current Freedom Index of the New American Magazine.

Why did Christian conservatives support the liberal neocon and not the solid pro-life conservative? Because the conservative ran as a Democrat and the neocon is a Republican. I'm talking about the race between Bob Conley and Lindsey Graham, of course.

Had South Carolina's pastors, Christians, evangelicals, and pro-life conservatives voted for Bob Conley, he would be the new senator-elect from that state. In fact, Bob was so conservative that the Democratic leadership in South Carolina endorsed the Republican, Lindsey Graham! No matter. A majority of evangelical Christians in South Carolina stupidly rejected Bob Conley and voted for Graham.

Across the country, rather than stand on principle, hundreds of thousands of pastors, Christians, and pro-life conservatives capitulated and groveled before John McCain's neocon agenda. In doing so, they forfeited any claim to truth, and they abandoned any and all fidelity to constitutional government. They should rip the stories of Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego out of their Bibles. They should never again tell their children, parishioners, and radio audiences the importance of standing for truth and principle. They have made a mockery of Christian virtue. No wonder a majority of the voting electorate laughs at us Christians. No wonder the GOP crashed and burned last Tuesday.

Again, it wasn't Barack Obama who destroyed conservatism; it was George W. Bush, John McCain, and the millions of evangelical Christians who supported them. And until conservatives find their backbone and their convictions, they deserve to remain a burnt-out, has-been political force. They have no one to blame but themselves.

And since it is unlikely that the Republican Party has enough sense to understand any of this and will, therefore, do little to reestablish genuine conservative principles, it is probably best to just go ahead and bury the scoundrels now and move on to something else. Without a sincere commitment to constitutional government, the GOP has no justifiable reason to ever govern again. Therefore, put a fork in them. They are done. Let a new entity arise from the ashes: one that will stand for something more than just "the lesser of two evils." As we say in the South, That dog just won't hunt anymore.

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How would Chuck Baldwin actually perform if he had been elected? Getting in the Driver's seat is a far different experience. Just not sure about him, I guess.

For all intents and purposes, conservatism--as a national movement--is completely and thoroughly dead. Barack Obama did not destroy it, however. It was George W. Bush and John McCain who destroyed conservatism in America.

Conservatism is no longer representing what it once did. It has been redefined as "while we tell you repeatedly that every move we make is embracing that ideal, we retain the right to claim executive privilege while we lie to you."

He hit it on the nose regarding Graham and Conley. How SC voters could have actually voted this scoundrel back into office is beyond disgusting. He was big on illegal immigration and did nothing for the state while in office but same ole politics as usual. No need to mention it all. It appears that the only explanation is sheer unabashed ignorance or apathy on part of the voters.

Saw on TV, CNN or MSNBC, that after McCain's concession speech, Secret Service protection was removed and he left with his good friend Lindsey Graham.

The fact is this new crowd of swuave-a-fair Republicans is giving the REAL REPUBLICANS a bad name, by them trying to claim to be republicans when they are not!

John McCain is no more republican than Obama.

All last week before the election I heard the liberal Radio Media (yes, they've seem to find their way now) telling everyone that Americans are sick of republicans becuase of what they have done to this country when in fact, we haven't had a REAL REPUBLICAN in the whitehouse or on the Presidential ticket. So, we need the real republicans to give these PRETENDERS a name like PRETENDERS to identify and seperate REAL REPUBLICANS from the fakes like John McCain and Lindsey Grahm.

The Word REPUBLICAN has a long history and meaning behind it and WE need to stop letting politicians get away with calling themselves one when they are not, so we need to make a THE POLITICAL PRETENDERS LIST with ratings sort of like Numbers USA uses to put these politicians in the catagories they really belong in.

According to the official REPUBLICAN Mantra, which may need to be made official and defined as to do proper grading of the candidates, we could even have a REPUBLICAN PATRIOTS LIST for the ones the REPULICAN's deem worthy of the title. Any politician claiming to be a REPUBLICAN must sign a contract with A REPUBLICAN BOARD OF VOTERS, and when they get in office and change they're stripes, they are null and void of that CONTRACT and must be REPLACED by another republican perferably chosen by the REPUBLICAN BOARD OF VOTERS.
This way we can gaurantee that the REPUBLICAN agenda is set in stone and enforced for the voters that voted them in on REPUBLICAN PRINCIPLES. No more switching around to democrat issues when it feels good or some big pork project is given to sway a vote.

Some will say this takes flexability out of the politicians and will cause gridlock in congress but the fact is, the PRETENDERS have given everything away to the democrats, even when the REPUBLICANS had the power, the PRETENDERS covertly acted like undercover democrats. All the PRETENDERS have done is been PRETENDERS. Saying one thing and doing the opposite, this is not representation and this is why McCain had no chance in hell of winning, the REAL REPUBLICANS where being pigeon holed by these PRETENDERS and UNDERCOVER DEMOCRATS to give the ULTIMATE POWER to the DEMOCRATS win or loose, they should be kicked out of the REPUBLICAN PARTY IN TOTAL DISGRACE AND SHAME and never allowed back, no matter what. You wouldn't let a drug dealer be a police officer and these guys are nothing but TRAITORS to AMERICA and the REPUBLICAN PARTY. Nothing but one world globalist paid by the same globalist that paid Obama, the very same sponsors of crime.
A REAL REPUBLICAN doesn't need flexability, what he needs is an honest MEDIA to present the facts and the truths about history, finances and the politicians. If that is done, the REAL REPUBLICANS WILL WIN EVERYTIME!

What the PRETENDER LIST would do is show the American People which candidates are for the well being and prosperity of America and Americans first in a simple way since it seems most voters need it to be really simple without much reading, you know, do the homework for them since most people are to lazy to.

Now, I can hear the democrats screaming now, about how the REPUBLICANS are basically calling most democrats un partiotic, but either you are for putting America and Americans first or you aren't, its time to get the gray area of minusa out of the conversation, all it does is devide everyone into groups which the dems love.

Thats what is great about THE REAL REPUBLICAN PARTY, it doesn't use the government to divide people into seperate little factions and fractures causing envy and hate and racism, it includes all. The REAL REPUBLICAN PARTY has the government step out of your life, see's everyone as equal, no special funding for this ethinic group or that one, we're all Americans, it takes very little of your money, doesn't prod people into doing things we don't want to do, it just gets out of the way and lets the citizens of any race live life which suites them as long as they obey the laws, not the way the government wants you to.

The REAL REPUBLICAN PARTY recognizes the best way to look out and support the American citizens is to take as little of your money as possible, so you can use it how you see fit and according to your needs and well being, not the government playing big brother and taking your money and claiming how to best use it for your benefit. It should be more than obvious by now that government is claiming it knows best when it clearly doesn't hence the massive problems we've had in the last ten years which none have been corrected or even attempted to be corrected. The reason they haven't been corrected is just as obvious as well, the politicians simply don't care, and the government is incapable of caring. We don't want the government to care about our personal decisions and life on a daily basis, that is what family and friends are for, not the government. The government is not human and can't and never will feel your pain, know your dreams or aspirations or know what your living through and therefore will never be as effective about spending your money or making decisions that effect your family as you are, and the REAL REPUBLICANS KNOW THIS.

THE REAL REPUBLICANS know the government shouldn't be in the business of making jobs or taking jobs. The government shouldn't be involved in saying which company should get this contract or that contract. The free and honest market will decide these things in a natural order. The government shouldn't be in bed with businesses whether they be big or small, the government has no business experience and has no reason to make a profit, therefore it cannot make the best business decisions using business economics which therefore leads to partison and devisive economics of chosing winners and losers which amounts to chosing ones destiny instead of the natural progression of the free market competetion. Everytime the government picks a winner for a contract, they also make a loser and that loser is paying taxes for the government to work against it, which instils corruption on every level of government as well as business and causes rampet fruad and wasteful spending of tax payer dollars. The only place for government in business is to set the laws of the way the businesses can do business equally, set labor standards for the employees and protect the people from monopolies and unfair treatment of workers and enforce construction and building standards. The government should always remain a representietive of the people in the workplace and protect the citizens from the powerful corporations and should always be seperate from any business deals. The government should be in control of our currency and see to it capital is made available when needed, not when the federal reserve wants to lend out to certian people. In fact we don't need a federal reserve, we just need honest people holding people to standards and enforcing the rules, the same rules for everyone. Get rid of the quasi fraudulent corruption hiding accounting and get back to basic easy to do quick accounting. REMEMBER, what the government is doing now from the top all the way down to main street America, is picking who the winners are and who the losers are, and that is NOT what we pay the government to do.

The governments job is secure the country physically and financially, to protect the people from the criminals and institutions, enforces the laws and we do the rest. Thats how it is supposed to be.

This is why I switched to an Independent and voted for Badnarik in 2004 and Baldwin in 2008, they represented the REAL REPUBLICAN AGENDA to me, not this new PRETENDER REPUBLICAN PARTY that is basically a commercialized, PC Front Man.

Maybe we'll call them THE McCAIN PRETENDERS.

We have all the "REPUBLICANS" talking about rebuilding the party so why not join the CONSTITUTION PARTY? Is is because Rush, Hannity and all these people are set in the old boy network?

The problem is, the REAL REPUBLICANS don't trust the old boy network, they've went with the PRETENDERS so long, nobody believes them either. I want honest ethical people, not people like Newt, Rudy, or Huckabee. I want people with morals like Ron Paul and the likes. We not only need men of great charachter and moral compass, we need people that mean what they say be it PC or not, we need the truth, not some whitewashed sensored version of the MSM talking points.

Voters didn't reject John McCain-they rejected Republicans.

Who could blame them?

The sheeple haven't just rejected Republicans. They have rejected God and His Son, Jesus, and His truth, the Bible.

...because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (2 Thes 2:10b-12)

Having rejected the God's truth and conservative Christian principles derived from the Bible, they swallow the devil's lie. After rejecting the truth, what they have left is liberal apostate "churches" and the downstream media to tickle their ears, TV/Hollywood and Cosmo/Glamour/Vanity Fair to tickle their eyes, homosexuality and pornography to tickle their fancies, and Democrat welfare state largesse aka Marxist communism to tickle their consciences. Then they opt for abortion and dope and euthanasia to avoid facing the inevitable consequences.

The only thing left is the judgment to come for choosing evil over good.

Amen to that

Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC

The sheeple haven't just rejected Republicans. They have rejected God and His Son, Jesus, and His truth, the Bible.

...because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (2 Thes 2:10b-12)

Having rejected the God's truth and conservative Christian principles derived from the Bible, they swallow the devil's lie. After rejecting the truth, what they have left is liberal apostate "churches" and the downstream media to tickle their ears, TV/Hollywood and Cosmo/Glamour/Vanity Fair to tickle their eyes, homosexuality and pornography to tickle their fancies, and Democrat welfare state largesse aka Marxist communism to tickle their consciences. Then they opt for abortion and dope and euthanasia to avoid facing the inevitable consequences.

The only thing left is the judgment to come for choosing evil over good.

This is why I have NO regrets for voting for Chuck Baldwin. I kept in mind what I thought was best for this country when voting. Not to say I didn't waiver at times, but I held fast and stuck to my guns.

THAT feels good.