Thread: Man killed by police was US Navy vet trying to break up fight, reports say

Originally Posted by Boomslang

I based my implication on perception and simple understanding of the country I live in.
I don't know what country you live in, but I live in the USA.

And you have fine tuned the art of prejudice. You see racism! You can't get an accurate comparison when it is two different cops in two different cities or states. We have seen the difference in police response between the Florida school shooting and the Washington newspaper shooting just this week.

You can find prejudice if you look for it, and you are looking for it!

jtdc wrote (excerpt):

You try really hard to not get the point! They had time to aim at his shoulder, arm, any non-lethal area, to disable him. A single shot would stun him and give them time to set up a second shot if he continue to reach for the gun.

Nobody, including law enforcement, who is trained in defending themselves with firearms is taught to shoot to wound, You don't practice your Annie Oakley skills when your life is on the line. A miss, graze, and even a single shot may not stop the suspect from shooting you dead. Furthermore, it's not like you can expect the threat to remain motionless while you attempt your Annie Oakley skills.

Law enforcement wouldn't be justified in using lethal force unless they perceived a threat to their life. The best way to end the threat is a few shots to the torso area. The intent is not to necessarily kill, but to completely incapacitate the threat. A shot to the arm or leg is less likely to do that.

Boomaslang wrote:

I based my implication on perception and simple understanding of the country I live in.

I don't know what country you live in, but I live in the USA.

If you cannot understand what was at play in that video, there is nothing I can do to help you understand.

So you believe all police officer's are racist? I live in the USA too, but I don't inherently believe all cops are racist ..... far from it. By the way, do we even know the race of the two officers in question?

No, I don't understand what was in play in your video. Two black men smiling at the falling rain is completely irrelevant to our topic of discussion.

Originally Posted by MW

Boomaslang wrote:



So you believe all police officer's are racist? I live in the USA too, but I don't inherently believe all cops are racist ..... far from it. By the way, do we even know the race of the two officers in question?

No, I don't understand what was in play in your video. Two black men smiling at the falling rain is completely irrelevant to our topic of discussion.

I didn't know where you live but now I know that we must live in two different Americas. You have your view of the police and I have mine.
Few people, when taking into consideration the total population, have served in a law enforcement department. I have and I know a little more
than the average Joe about how law enforcement works.

Those two black men smiling in the rain are Andre 3000 and Big Boi of the group Outkast. The song and video where this was captured is called "Ms. Jackson" and it dealt with the feeling of reconciliation after great pain. The sun was coming out after a storm as you can see.

I'd like to think, the man that died and is now in a better place. Simple.

Lastly, does it matter what color the cops were? If you say yes, you couldn't possibly understand the inner workings of law enforcement.
(I sometimes use movies to make a point. Sometimes movies are what people could relate to)

Boomslang wrote (excerpt):

Those two black men smiling in the rain are Andre 3000 and Big Boi of the group Outkast. The song and video where this was captured is called "Ms. Jackson" and it dealt with the feeling of reconciliation after great pain. The sun was coming out after a storm as you can see.

I'm not familiar with Andre 3000 and Big Boi or their group Outkast. Not exactly on my music playlist. That probably explains my view on why I thought the video irrelevant.

Originally Posted by MW

Boomslang wrote (excerpt):



I'm not familiar with Andre 3000 and Big Boi or their group Outkast. Not exactly on my music playlist. That probably explains my view on why I thought the video irrelevant.

I totally understand.
There is a whole world to explore! Different foods and different people and all kinds of surprises.

Originally Posted by MW

Nobody, including law enforcement, who is trained in defending themselves with firearms is taught to shoot to wound, You don't practice your Annie Oakley skills when your life is on the line.

If the guy had the gun and especially, if he was aiming it at them, then they would be defending themselves!

Originally Posted by MW

A miss, graze, and even a single shot may not stop the suspect from shooting you dead.

He's on the ground reaching for the gun. The cops are standing up with their guns trained on him.

Originally Posted by MW

Furthermore, it's not like you can expect the threat to remain motionless while you attempt your Annie Oakley skills.

So you shoot first and ask questions later? No you kill him so he can't testify against you!

Originally Posted by MW

Law enforcement wouldn't be justified in using lethal force unless they perceived a threat to their life.

Yes, and that's why there are several officers facing murder charges, one videoed shooting a fleeing man in the back. Many of these shootings are not justified. But they know the risks and did not sign on to be assassins!

Originally Posted by MW

The best way to end the threat is a few shots to the torso area. The intent is not to necessarily kill, but to completely incapacitate the threat.

That's why the train to shoot center mass! That's why they empty their weapons.

Originally Posted by MW

A shot to the arm or leg is less likely to do that.

And it is less likely to kill innocent victims!

Originally Posted by Boomslang

You have your view of the police and I have mine.

That is like poliicians who think they are entitled (Hillary).

Originally Posted by Boomslang

Few people, when taking into consideration the total population, have served in a law enforcement department. I have and I know a little more
than the average Joe about how law enforcement works.

I'm sure you know all the crooked tricks. I had a friend who was a cop. And he was crooked, at least when it came to being a cop. He was bullied in school so he felt the badge empowered him to bully others. I suspect you are of that mentality!

Originally Posted by Boomslang

I'd like to think, the man that died and is now in a better place. Simple.

How caring of you. That's about how much care some cops have for those they shoot. Jason E. Washington had a wife and three daughters. I'm sure they aren't in a better place.

Originally Posted by Boomslang

Lastly, does it matter what color the cops were?

YES! That's why racist leftists like you cry racism when a white cop kills a Black suspect.

Well, jtdc, it's clear to see why you never joined the police force. Had you joined, the odds of you surviving to retirement would have been low. Shooting handguns out of folks hands and making arm shots may happen a lot in western movies, but it's not something you're typically going to see in real life, especially not from law enforcement. Those individuals (cops) want to go home to their families after their shift. Furthermore, waiting until the last minute to shoot when your life is threatened is also something that would cut your police career short.

Maybe there will be some videos and body cams come forth that might shed some light on this situation. Either way, it's a sad thing all the way around. We don't even know if he was shot in the front or the back at this point.