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Will the senate likewise declare Obama a citizenQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnDoe2
to solve the doubt about his citizenship ?
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf
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There is something on that vault birth document that would sink his boat, or he wouldn't have paid around a million dollars to three law firms to keep it hidden. No one spends $1,000,000 to hide something unless there is a compelling reason to hide it.
Hawaii DoH renames computer abstract "Certification" as "Certificate".
But a Certification of Live Birth by any other name is still not a long-form, typewritten, vault birth certificate.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/?page_id=2697 (linked from WorldNetDaily.com)
excerpt from a web page by an anonymous investigator hired by a retired CIA officer.
July 11th Addendum to Report
1. Until June 2009, the reasonable doubts about where Obama was born could have quickly and finally been resolved if he had authorized the release by the Hawaiian Dept of Health of his original birth certificate or else applied for it himself and released it to the media. But as these doubts have increased and reached the point where they are no longer a “fringe” phenomenon, the Hawaiian state govt has recently taken certain steps that would create procedural and possibly legal barriers to a resolution of the controversy. Given the slipperiness that characterized the statements of Chiyome Fukino, the Dept’s Director, and Janice Okubo, the Dept’s spokesperson, to the media on this issue, it is, I think, also reasonable to regard these steps with suspicion.
A family that I am acquainted with has a child who was born in Hawaii 6 months ago. They filled out and mailed in a form to the Dept of Health, as did their doctor. In return the Dept sent them in the first week of June, 2009, the same abbreviated computer-generated form that last year on the Daily Kos and subsequently on the Obama campaign web site was called a “Certification of Live Birth”. The form that this family received this year is identical in format to the Certification of Live Birth on the Daily Kos web site with one exception: the title at the top of the form.
On June 12, 2008 the title for this abbreviated form was Certification of Live Birth. The title for the form that this family received in the first week of June 2009 is Certificate of Live Birth. I called The Dept of Health and confirmed that the title of the form had been changed. The bureaucrat that I spoke to said the change had been made “recently”, but could not or would not tell me when. Sometime between June 12, 2008 and the first week of June 2009 the Hawaiian Dept of Health changed the title of this abbreviated form from “Certification of Live Birth” to “Certificate of Live Birth“. Why?
The use of the word “Certificate” rather than “Certification” makes the form feel somewhat more like a traditional birth certificate than the “Certification of Live Birth” that the Daily Kos website and subsequently the Obama campaign posted on the Internet even though, like the “Certification“, it also lacks any information about the hospital, doctor, or midwife. There is no footprint etc. This renaming of the document will be very convenient for the Hawaiian Dept of Health in future stonewalling should any legal pressure be brought against them to produce Obama’s “Certificate of Live Birth”. Instead of producing the original “Certificate of Live Birth”, they will produce the abbreviated “Certification of Live Birth” form that the Dept of Health has now renamed a “Certificate of Live Birth” and claim that they are doing so “in accordance with state policies and procedures” in the words of the Dept’s Director, Dr. Chiyome Fukino.
But whether it is called (as it was last year) a Certification or (as it is now) a Certificate of Live Birth this abbreviated document provides none of the probative information that was or wasn’t on Barack Obama’s original Certificate of Live Birth. Unlike the Certificate of Live Birth of the time when Barack Obama was born, this new Certificate of Live Birth provides no real evidence of where a child was born or indication of where such evidence might be found. It provides no information that would demonstrate to the people of the United States whether there is convincing evidence that he was actually born here or whether a relative or two (or possibly even Barack Obama himself) just made a statement to that effect to a low level bureaucrat. (As is permitted under Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii.)
2. On June 7, 2009, a spokeswoman for the Hawaii Department of Health told a rather obvious lie (or engaged in a pretty transparent verbal deception) in another attempt to discourage further investigation into the issue of whether Barack Obama was born on Oahu. “The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past”, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo. “The department only issues ‘certifications’ of live births, and that is the ‘official birth certificate’ issued by the state of Hawaii, she said. ” [Honolulu Star Bulletin]
www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html
This statement was false or deliberately very misleading. Here, from a Hawaii state document that was posted on June 10, 2009, is a description of how to apply for “the original Certificate of Live Birth” (the original birth certificate) as opposed to the Certification of Live Birth:
“In order to process your application [to prove native Hawaiian ancestry], DHHL [Department of Hawaiian Homelands] utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.
“Please note that DOH [Department of Health] no longer offers same day service. If you plan on picking up your certified DOH document(s), you should allow at least 10 working days for DOH to process your request(s), OR four to six weeks if you want your certified certificate(s) mailed to you.”
hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl
Ms. Okubo’s statement gave the false impression that Obama could not gain access to or release “the original Certificate of Live Birth”, and that it was the DOH’s policy rather than his own reluctance that was responsible for the holding back of this Certificate. This was an obvious deception. The document at the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands website indicates that at the time she made this statement it was false, and that a procedure was in place for application for “the original Certificate of Live Birth.”
Only the information on the original birth certificate, “the original Certificate of Live Birth”, can demonstrate to the people of the United States whether there is convincing evidence that he was actually born here or whether a relative or two (or possibly even Barack Obama himself) just made a statement to that effect to a low level bureaucrat.
3. On July 8, 2009 the web site World Net Daily reported that “The state, which had excluded the controversial document [the Certification of Live Birth] as proof of native Hawaiian status, has changed its policy and now makes a point of including it.”
www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103408
Here is the new statement on the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands web site [July 8, 2009]. “The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth [original birth certificates and the recently renamed abbreviated computer printouts] and Certifications of Live Birth [as the abbreviated computer printouts were up till recently called] because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth… Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.”
hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl
The web site theobamafile.com picked up this significant change in procedure on the Dept of Hawaiian Homelands website on June 18, 2009.
www.theobamafile.com/_BogusPOTUS/20090608.htm#HawaiiRuleChange
Sometime between June 10, 2009 and June 18, 2009 the State of Hawaii changed its rule on what documents and data were necessary to prove Hawaiian ancestry, thereby upgrading the apparent status of the abbreviated Certification of Live Birth which it had formerly regarded as insufficiently probative. Why?
4. On June 6, Janice Okubo, the Dept of Health spokeswoman, also told the Star Bulletin that “The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests.” There is a troubling ambiguity in this statement. A sophisticated forensic investigation would probably be able to determine whether the original paper Certificate of Live Birth was forged, altered, or authentic. But if the data from the original paper Certificates of Live Birth has been transferred to an electronic record and then the original documents were discarded, part of the data could easily have been changed in the transfer or subsequently altered.
Why did the Hawaiian Dept of Health wait until June 6, 2009 to announce to the world that the original paper Certificates of Live Birth had been destroyed (presumably in 2001)? Shouldn’t this have been part of Dr Fukino’s statement on October 31, 2008 (right before the November election), a statement which deceptively implied the contrary:
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”
We know from a document posted on June 10, 2009 on the Department of Hawaiian Homelands website that, up until very recently, either the original paper Certificates of Live Birth or (as is now implied) scanned images of those paper certificates were maintained by the Dept of Health, and copies of them were provided to confirm claims of Hawaiian ancestry. But if in June 2009 the Department of Hawaiian Homelands has decided that it will no longer require the original Certificate of Live Birth as proof for special privileges and the Department of Health spokesman says firmly that they will no longer provide copies of these original certificates, is it possible that, in the midst of the controversy over where Barack Obama was born, the Hawaiian state govt has destroyed the original paper certificate of live birth? This seems almost incredible to me, but the authorities have been so deceptive and evasive on this issue, that it cannot be dismissed as impossible.
4. On June 6, Janice Okubo, the Dept of Health spokeswoman, also told the Star Bulletin that “The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests.” There is a troubling ambiguity in this statement. A sophisticated forensic investigation would probably be able to determine whether the original paper Certificate of Live Birth was forged, altered, or authentic. But if the data from the original paper Certificates of Live Birth has been transferred to an electronic record and then the original documents were discarded, part of the data could easily have been changed in the transfer or subsequently altered.
Why did the Hawaiian Dept of Health wait until June 6, 2009 to announce to the world that the original paper Certificates of Live Birth had been destroyed (presumably in 2001)? Shouldn’t this have been part of Dr Fukino’s statement on October 31, 2008 (right before the November election), a statement which deceptively implied the contrary:
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”
We know from a document posted on June 10, 2009 on the Department of Hawaiian Homelands website that, up until very recently, either the original paper Certificates of Live Birth or (as is now implied) scanned images of those paper certificates were maintained by the Dept of Health, and copies of them were provided to confirm claims of Hawaiian ancestry. But if in June 2009 the Department of Hawaiian Homelands has decided that it will no longer require the original Certificate of Live Birth as proof for special privileges and the Department of Health spokesman says firmly that they will no longer provide copies of these original certificates, is it possible that, in the midst of the controversy over where Barack Obama was born, the Hawaiian state govt has destroyed the original paper certificate of live birth? This seems almost incredible to me, but the authorities have been so deceptive and evasive on this issue, that it cannot be dismissed as impossible.
Probably ninety-odd Senators, "all honorable men," have already declared Mr. Obama a "natural born citizen" in rafts of franked letters to constituents. But even in the Senate, there are dissenters, and their numbers will grow, because once you've been Barack'ed, you don't go back.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnDoe2
Thank you MinuteMan!
After some thought, the Hawaiian conspiracy appears to continue. Now that Dr. Fukino has 'verified' that Barack Obama is a "natural born American citizen" I have a few questions for DHS and for the good doctor:
1. By what legal authority did Dr. Fukino 'verify' that Barack Obama is a "natural born American citizen," a specific legal federal definition?
2. Why didn't Dr. Fukino use the term 'natural born United States citizen?'
3. Because of widespread confusion regarding the term 'natural born citizenship,' what is the legal definition of "natural born American citizen" used by Dr. Fukino in her specific statement of Mr. Obama's verification?
4. Who was Barack Obama's father listed on Obama’s birth certificate?
5. Because a child’s ‘natural born citizenship’ is determined in part by the father's citizenship, was Barack Obama's father known by Dr. Fukino or DHS to be a U.S. citizen at the time of Barack Obama's birth?
6. Will Hawaii DHS be similarly 'verifying' type of citizenship for all births hereafter, or was this a special situation?
7. Will Dr. Fukino now allow a forensic evaluation of Mr. Obama's birth certificate by an impartial federal agency like the FBI?
Legally, and until this time, United States citizenship has been determined by the federal government, and no state department or agency of any state has been empowered to define, classify, or 'verify' U.S. citizenship status.
Is this why the phrase ‘natural born American citizen’ was used by Dr. Fukino?
Is U.S. citizenship ‘verification’ a new state power or authority for the states, and if so, where did this power or authority come from (the power and authority has certainly NOT been defined in the U.S. Constitution)?
BTW, more onerous intrusion by government, this section of the Terms of Use of the Hawaii web sites (http://www.ehawaii.gov/dakine/docs/terms.html) identified as:
"official State of Hawai`i WEB SITE (i.e., all pages starting with "www.state.hi.us," "www.hawaii.gov", "www.ehawaiigov.org", "www.ehawaii.gov", or "www.ehawaiigov.com."), which may be used for authorized purposes only. This WEB SITE is not nor is it intended to be an open public forum."
...
Security & Monitoring Notice
This site reserves the right to collect navigational information about its users such as:
* The name of the domain from which the site was accessed;
* The date and time the site was accessed; and
* The web site address (also called the URL) of the link clicked to access the site.
For site security purposes, all network traffic is monitored in order to identify unauthorized attempts to upload or change information, or otherwise conduct criminal activity. In connection with authorized law enforcement investigations and pursuant to required legal process, navigational information may be used to assist in obtaining personally identifiable information.
Furthermore, to protect this WEB SITE as well as the associated computer system supporting the WEB SITE from unauthorized use and to ensure that the computer system is functioning properly, individuals accessing this WEB SITE and the associated computer system are subject to having all of their activities monitored and recorded by personnel authorized to do so by the State of Hawai`i. Anyone using this WEB SITE and the associated computer system expressly consents to such monitoring and is advised that if such monitoring reveals evidence of possible abuse or criminal activity, State of Hawai`i personnel may provide the results of such monitoring to appropriate officials. Unauthorized attempts to upload or change the content of the WEB SITE, or otherwise cause damage to this WEB SITE or the computer system are strictly prohibited and may be punishable under applicable law.
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Really??
You know, maybe it's just me, but there seems to be no more openness and transparency in any government entity these days. Even at the state level. This kind of stuff drives the citizens away from their own state's web sites.
Maybe we do need another revolution, because these guys certainly don't work for us anymore.
Or, maybe I should just join a hacker's club someplace and start doing things anonymously.
That's it. I'll go underground, just like my government.
Pamela at Atlas Shrugs (http://tinyurl.com/nxu3zb) says:
CNN Tells, Sells More Lies About Palin -- it's Time to Expose the truth about Obama
The Palin camp has issued a statement decrying rumors of a Palin divorce being spread by Alaskan CNN stringer Dennis Zaki, sourced to an anonymous Anchorage blogger and the National Enquirer.
Let's understand this. CNN won't touch the birth certificate issue, the Rezko/Auchi corruption, Obama's anti-semitism, his ACORN/SEIU ties and corruption and other legitimate stories that need investigation. But they write fiction about Palin. Daily. So why not tell the truth about Obama and his reported strange sexual predilections? My question is, it is well known that Obama allegedly was involved with a crack whore in his youth. Very seedy stuff. Why aren't they pursuing that story? Find the ho, give her a show! Obama trafficked in some very deviant practices. Where's the investigation?
He spent three weeks in Pakistan in his college days at Occidental in 1981. WTF was he doing in Pakistan in 1981? In 1979 Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was hanged in Pakistan and the military ruler Zia Ul-Haq enacted the controversial Hudood Ordinance, which was intended to implement Islamic Shari'a law, by enforcing punishments mentioned in the Quran.
Back in the early 80's, there were only two reasons to travel to Pakistan. Jihad or drugs. I think he went for the drugs and came back with jihad. (He did, after all, change his name to Barack Hussein Obama from Barry Soetoro, upon his return from that trip).
Why isn't CNN pursuing the nude pornographic photos of Obama's mom, Stanley (unretouched pictures here and here and here) allegedly taken by Frank Marshall Davis in his apartment. Obama's spiritual father, Davis was a child rapist and famous communist. I never ran the pics, as it was unseemly and wasn't relevant. But this assault on Palin is too disgusting. It's time to tell the ugly truth about the enemy in the White House and his whores in the media. It is Obama operatives who are spreading the Palin lies. I strongly recommend that conservatives start sending emailing these family pictures. They know we won't play dirty, so it's time to play dirty.
I say when they ratchet up the lies, then we ratchet up the truth.
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The pics are at the linked Atlas Shrugs site: http://tinyurl.com/nxu3zb
Highlander, I say it's time to take off the gloves. We've become so PC and afraid to confront a "black President" that the truth now lies hidden...in plain view! Enough!
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Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan
It seems we have been focusing on the natural born citizenship situation, and that pursuit has been pretty effective. We certainly know much more today than we have in the past, and we may actually be closer to blowing Obama's birth secrecy and eligibility claims.Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasBorn
But, having said that, we have totally ignored many of the other events in Obama's life that have been slimy and or criminal, and maybe we should do as Pamela and you suggest - go for the throat.
The FBI case against Rod Blago might be a good place to start, just in case there were some compromising comments or involvement by the big O. Chicago must have a lot of answers for us.
I don't think this guy has more than one term anyway - there is just not enough American support for him anymore. I still want to get him out sooner if at all possible.
Too bad the press doesn't practice investigative journalism anymore. We could certainly use their help.
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