After disappearing earlier in the week, Donofrio is back at his blog with further commentary as of yesterday:
Naturalborncitizen
SCOTUS IN “WONG KIM ARKâ€
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After disappearing earlier in the week, Donofrio is back at his blog with further commentary as of yesterday:
Naturalborncitizen
SCOTUS IN “WONG KIM ARKâ€
Here's a well researched and full of facts original article from that discusses "Natural Born Citizen" and the birth and parentage of American presidents and vice-presidents.
Another commentator to the NBC blog wrote the following, in pointing to the collaborative nature of the political process in concealing and/or glossing over the NBC impediments of McCain and Obama as the two major parties' candidates:
[quote][size=150]Zapem Says:
December 19, 2008 at 3:26 pm
NBC wrote: “Just because the Constitution requires the Senate to quality the eligibility of candidates on Jan 6th (this year Jan 8th)…â€
For crying out loud, Madelyn Dunham did NOT call that birth announcement in to the paper. That's now how birth announcement columns worked (back when they did them). The paper clearly states that the origin of the information is the Health Department. That's who collected the information and submited it for publication.
I agree with you 100%. I think that the independent investigation that produced the 1961 clipping is sufficient proof that "birthers" looking for a foreign-born Obama are working with a dog that won't hunt. An easy way to figure out what happened would be to track down some of the other names that were listed on the 8/13/61 announcement and interview the mothers who might still be alive. Either the newspapers ran lists that they picked up from a hospital or they ran lists that came from the DOH's vital statistics. PERIOD. It would be a procedural impossibility for somebody to just phone something in. Purchasing advertising with newborn pictures would have been unknown back then too.Quote:
Originally Posted by BetsyRoss
What would NOT be impossible, however, is for someone to lie about the marital status of the patient (birth mother) in giving information to the hospital about who the father and mother were.
The stretch of credibility that it takes to claim that Obama was born anywhere else than Hawaii is one of the reasons that the survival of the Berg lawsuit, which places so much emphasis on unproven allegations, in SCOTUS and heading toward a January conference is something that ought to alarm people.
It's the weakest case of the bunch, with no proofs of the facts it claims.
On the law, Donofrio's and Wrotnowski's were much stronger.
Meanwhile, since you can check up on the Social Security numbers of dead people, that was done for Stanley Ann Dunham.
535-40-8522
It turned up as being associated with somebody who was alive and living in NY as recently as 2006. Do they re-issue numbers after a certain time has passed?
Also, here is a link to the back-talk channels on Wiki where contributors try to hash out information that can be verified vs. information that can't
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki?title=Talk ... .2FWhen.3F
Supposedly, there is information from U of Washington that points to enrollments as follows:
Quote:
From: pubrec@u.washington.edu
Ms. Stanley Ann Dunham was enrolled at the University of Washington for:
Autumn 1961 Winter 1962 Spring 1962
The records responsive to your request from the University of Washington are above as provided by the Public Disclosure Laws of Washington State. This concludes the University’s response to your Public Records request. Please feel free to contact our office if you have any questions or concerns.
Madolyne Lawson Office of Public Records
And then there is information from U of Hawaii Manoa that says this:
I would imagine somebody could enroll but never attend classes if they were mixed up about their comings and goings, and there was an interview of some old h.s. friends of Obama's mother who reported she was in Seattle visiting with him as a tiny infant.Quote:
From: Stuart Lau [stuartl@hawaii.edu]
The University of Hawaii at Manoa is only able to provide the following information for Stanley Ann Dunham:
Dates of attendance: Fall 1960 (First day of instruction 9/26/1960) Spring 1963 - Summer 1966 Fall 1972 - Fall 1974 Summer 1976 Spring 1978 Fall 1984 - Summer 1992
Degrees awarded: BA - Mathematics, Summer 1967 (August 6, 1967) MA - Anthropology, Fall 1983 (December 18, 1983) PhD - Anthropology, Summer 1992 (August 9, 1992)
Sincerely, Stuart Lau
Stuart Lau University Registrar Office of Admissions and Records University of Hawaii at Manoa :
I don't know what to make of all the strange stuff in that family's history. Easier to just stick with legal pointers about the law and what Obama has authorized to be published about himself on his own website.
I was fascinated by Andy Martin's case, as Martin concedes a Hawaii birth. If Obama's Hawaiian birth cannot be falsified (notice I'm not saying what's true or not) decisively, then all this is going nowhere. I understand how unwilling some people are to have him as President, but the Replublicans got their butts handed to them for reasons they should ponder before plotting their comeback.
As a purist about the law, I think there's merit to the claim that neither McCain or Obama qualified under the standards for NBC and that both parties deserve a butt-kicking for giving voters two choices who were ineligible.
And then both withheld what they knew by not making campaign issues of NBC disqualification.
Where do we sign up for a generalized PURGE CONGRESS OF INCUMBENTS movement? (Except for Ron Paul ... tee hee.)
My feelings are this, I simply do not KNOW his status. I can come up with good arguments on both sides of this case. I think the most damning evidence out there is the FACT he is hiding the records of his past, both birth and scholastic. This to me is the most damning evidence in play to date
I believe at least his mother was renting the house listed in the announcement at the time of Obama's birth. I believe it was her official/legal residence at the time of his birth. This does not however provide any CONCLUSIVE proof as to where she was when she gave birth. My RESIDENCE has always been in the US, however, my body has visited many places outside this country.
I believe the health department did in fact give the birth info to the paper. However, I am unclear as to whether or not a birth that took place in a foreign country, to an American with a Honolulu residence while on vacation or temporary trip, would indeed be given a birth announcement. Personally, I can not see why it wouldn't. My birth in 1962 was announced in both Omaha (my mothers home town, and Boston, my fathers hometown) papers. My father was active military at the time, and I was not born in either place. Nobody disputes that Obamas birth was REGISTERED in Hawaii. I think it is reasonable that the announcement would have been made under either circumstance.
What bothers me about these theories that he could have been born elsewhere is that the certificate lists Honolulu as the specific location of the birth, not the location of the registration of the birth.
Also, I am studying techdude's argument, but I have to say that the certificate the campaign posted is a copy that was run in 2007. I happen to be an IT professional, and I can think of dozens of reasons why there might be variations in documents coming out of the same office, without invalidating the document. Here is a an image analyst rebutting techdude: http://hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php? ... lysis.html (He also takes issue with Dr. Polarik)
I am confused by some people's assertions that a child over one year old who was born elsewhere could be registered as having been born in Hawaii if his parents were legal residents at the time Obama was born. That's not my understanding:http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/ ... birth.htmlQuote:
The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth program was established in 1911, during the territorial era, to register a person born in Hawaii who was one year old or older and whose birth had not been previously registered in Hawaii. The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth Program was terminated in 1972, during the statehood era.
There later WAS such a law passed, allowing the registration of out of state births, but not until 1982. http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/category ... rtificate/
[quote]The phrase “natural bornâ€