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Here is a good web site to track which states rejected the real id , just click on the state you want to see on the left.
http://www.realnightmare.org/states/37/
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Hey, you know that works for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by SOSADFORUS
Here is a good web site to track which states rejected the real id , just click on the state you want to see on the left.
http://www.realnightmare.org/states/37/
Remarks of the North Carolina Department of Motor Vehicles Commissioner to the North Carolina Joint Legislative Committee on Transportation Oversight, December 12, 2006
Review of Impact of U.S. REAL ID Act on North Carolina
Transportation Oversight Committee
December 12, 2006
The U.S REAL ID Act was passed by Congress and signed into law in May 2005. The law stipulates that “Beginning 3 years after the date of enactment of this Act, a federal agency may not accept, for any official purpose, a driver’s license or identification card issued by a State to any person unless the State is meeting the requirements of this section.â€
Chertoff to Punish States That Won’t Get on the Real ID Act Bandwagon
By Ann Shibler
Published: 2007-08-22 15:41
ARTICLE SYNOPSIS:
Department of Homeland Security chief Michael Chertoff is threatening states that don’t care to comply with the Real ID Act passed in 2005 with increased domestic traveling restrictions for their citizens.
Follow this link to the original source: "Federal ID plan raises privacy concerns"
COMMENTARY:
In a real show of defiance, more than half the nation’s states have passed or proposed legislation opposing the Real ID plan in some way or another. This plan requires issuing new federal driver’s licenses for all drivers by the year 2013, and would link state driver’s license databases in one huge federal database.
In response to state opposition, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff has issued a threat saying that the Real ID cards would be mandatory for all "federal purposes," when it comes to domestic traveling in order to coerce these rebellious states into complying. "Federal purposes" include boarding an airplane, walking into a federal building or nuclear facility, or picnicking at one’s favorite national park.
In a speech last week to the National Conference of State Legislatures in Boston, Chertoff said citizens in states that don’t comply with the new rules will have to use passports for federal purposes. "This is not a mandate. A state doesn’t have to do this, but if the state doesn’t have – at the end of the day, at the end of the deadline – Real ID-compliant licenses then the state cannot expect that those licenses will be accepted for federal purposes."
Chertoff went on to say that the cards are essential to national security because there are presently 8,000 types of identification accepted to enter the United States. "For terrorists," he said, "travel documents are like weapons." "It is simply unreasonable to expect our border inspectors to be able to detect forgeries on documents that range from baptismal certificates from small towns in Texas to cards that purport to reflect citizenship privileges in a province somewhere in Canada," he said. Of course it’s unreasonable for border inspectors to accept over 8,000 types of ID – those suspected of faked or forged documents shouldn’t be allowed into our country in the first place. But he’s really not talking about people from Texas or Canada. Chertoff’s proposed rules are meant for law-abiding American citizens who are already here, not for those who are trying to enter the United States surreptitiously.
Since when has boarding an airplane on a commercial airliner become a "federal purpose?" When is going on a picnic on land that supposedly belongs to all taxpayers a "federal purpose?" Is visiting a nuclear power plant, owned by a private company also a "federal purpose?"
Because the Real ID Act falls under Department of Homeland Security, there is literally no legislative oversight – DHS assumes total control. This is a direct frontal assault on our civil liberties and on states’ rights as well, and an early indication of just how far Chertoff and his cohorts will go in order to make Americans surrender their liberties in exchange for a false sense of security.
Ann Shibler
Ann is the Editorial Assistant for The New American magazine, a publication of the John Birch Society.
http://www.jbs.org/node/5238
Federal ID plan raises privacy concerns
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* Secretary Michael Chertoff says 8,000 forms of ID are now accepted at border
* Lawmakers concerned that only $40 million has been OK'd for $23 billion plan
* 13 states pass bills opposing Real ID; New Hampshire calls plan "repugnant"
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(CNN) -- Americans may need passports to board domestic flights or to picnic in a national park next year if they live in one of the states defying the federal Real ID Act.
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Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff says there are no plans for a federal database of drivers' information.
The act, signed in 2005 as part of an emergency military spending and tsunami relief bill, aims to weave driver's licenses and state ID cards into a sort of national identification system by May 2008. The law sets baseline criteria for how driver's licenses will be issued and what information they must contain.
The Department of Homeland Security insists Real ID is an essential weapon in the war on terror, but privacy and civil liberties watchdogs are calling the initiative an overly intrusive measure that smacks of Big Brother.
More than half the nation's state legislatures have passed or proposed legislation denouncing the plan, and some have penned bills expressly forbidding compliance.
Several states have begun making arrangements for the new requirements -- four have passed legislation applauding the measure -- but even they may have trouble meeting the act's deadline.
The cards would be mandatory for all "federal purposes," which include boarding an airplane or walking into a federal building, nuclear facility or national park, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff told the National Conference of State Legislatures last week. Citizens in states that don't comply with the new rules will have to use passports for federal purposes.
"For terrorists, travel documents are like weapons," Chertoff said. "We do have a right and an obligation to see that those licenses reflect the identity of the person who's presenting it."
Chertoff said the Real ID program is essential to national security because there are presently 8,000 types of identification accepted to enter the United States.
"It is simply unreasonable to expect our border inspectors to be able to detect forgeries on documents that range from baptismal certificates from small towns in Texas to cards that purport to reflect citizenship privileges in a province somewhere in Canada," he said.
More information
* Details of Real ID Act
* NCSL's 'Countdown to Real ID'
* Department of Homeland Security FAQs
* ACLU's 'Real nightmare'
Chertoff attended the conference in Boston, Massachusetts, in part to allay states' concerns, but he had few concrete answers on funding.
The Department of Homeland Security, which estimates state and federal costs could reach $23.1 billion over 10 years, is looking for ways to lessen the burden on states, he said. On the recent congressional front, however, Chertoff could point only to an amendment killed in the Senate last month that would've provided $300 million for the program.
"There's going to be an irreducible expense that falls on you, and that's part of the shared responsibility," Chertoff told the state legislators.
Bill Walsh, senior legal fellow for the Heritage Foundation, a Washington-based conservative think tank that supports the Real ID Act, said states shouldn't be pushing for more federal dollars because, ultimately, that will mean more federal oversight -- and many complaints about cost coincide with complaints about the federal government overstepping its bounds.
"They are only being asked to do what they should've already done to protect their citizens," Walsh said, blaming arcane software and policies at state motor vehicle departments for what he called "a tremendous trafficking in state driver's licenses."
The NCSL is calling Real ID an "unfunded mandate" that could cost states up to $14 billion over the next decade, but for which only $40 million has been federally approved. The group is demanding Congress pony up $1 billion for startup costs by year's end or scrap the proposal altogether.
Everyone must visit DMV by 2013
The Real ID Act repealed a provision in the 9/11 Commission Implementation Act calling for state and federal officials to examine security standards for driver's licenses.
It called instead for states to begin issuing new federal licenses, lasting no longer than eight years, by May 11, 2008, unless they are granted an extension.
It also requires all 245 million license and state ID holders to visit their local departments of motor vehicles and apply for a Real ID by 2013. Applicants must bring a photo ID, birth certificate, proof of Social Security number and proof of residence, and states must maintain and protect massive databases housing the information.
NCSL spokesman Bill Wyatt said the requirements are "almost physically impossible." States will have to build new facilities, secure those facilities and shell out for additional equipment and personnel.
Those costs are going to fall back on the American taxpayer, he said. It might be in the form of a new transportation, motor vehicle or gasoline tax. Or you might find it tacked on to your next state tax bill. In Texas, Wyatt said, one official told him that without federal funding, the Lone Star State might have to charge its citizens more than $100 for a license.
"We kind of feel like the way they went about this is backwards," Wyatt said, explaining that states would have appreciated more input into the process. "Each state has its own unique challenges and these are best addressed at state levels. A one-size-fits-all approach to driver's licenses doesn't necessarily work."
Many states have revolted. The governors of Idaho, Maine, Montana, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, South Carolina and Washington have signed bills refusing to comply with the act. Six others have passed bills and/or resolutions expressing opposition, and 15 have similar legislation pending.
Though the NCSL says most states' opposition stems from the lack of funding, some states cited other reasons for resisting the initiative.
New Hampshire passed a House bill opposing the program and calling Real ID "contrary and repugnant" to the state and federal constitutions. A Colorado House resolution dismissed Real ID by expressing support for the war on terror but "not at the expense of essential civil rights and liberties of citizens of this country."
Privacy concerns raised
Colorado and New Hampshire lawmakers are not alone. Groups like the American Civil Liberties Union and Electronic Frontier Foundation say the IDs and supporting databases -- which Chertoff said would eventually be federally interconnected -- will infringe on privacy.
EFF says on its Web site that the information in the databases will lay the groundwork for "a wide range of surveillance activities" by government and businesses that "will be able to easily read your private information" because of the bar code required on each card.
The databases will provide a one-stop shop for identity thieves, adds the ACLU on its Web site, and the U.S. "surveillance society" and private sector will have access to the system "for the routine tracking, monitoring and regulation of individuals' movements and activities."
The civil liberties watchdog dubs the IDs "internal passports" and claims it wouldn't be long before office buildings, gas stations, toll booths, subways and buses begin accessing the system.
But Chertoff told legislators last week that DHS has no intention of creating a federal database, and Walsh, of the Heritage Foundation, said the ACLU's allegations are disingenuous.
States will be permitted to share data only when validating someone's identity, Walsh said.
"The federal government wouldn't have any greater access to driver's license information than it does today," Walsh said.
States have the right to refuse to comply with the program, he said, and they also have the right to continue issuing IDs and driver's licenses that don't meet Real ID requirements.
But, Walsh said, "any state that's refusing to implement this key recommendation by the 9/11 Commission, and whose state driver's licenses are as a result used in another terrorist attack, should be held responsible."
State reaction to Real ID has not been all negative. Four states have passed bills or resolutions expressing approval for the program, and 13 states have similar legislation pending (Several states have pending pieces of legislation both applauding and opposing Real ID).
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Chertoff said there would be repercussions for states choosing not to comply.
"This is not a mandate," Chertoff said. "A state doesn't have to do this, but if the state doesn't have -- at the end of the day, at the end of the deadline -- Real ID-compliant licenses then the state cannot expect that those licenses will be accepted for federal purposes."Can you say doublespeak ?
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/16/real.id/
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DHS objections
The Department of Homeland Security to exception to my gloomy column of earlier this week whining about how U.S. citizens are suddenly being required to show their passports all over the damned place, except if they are deemed to owe $2,500 in child support, in which case they can't have one. Let's print the letter in full:
Dear Editor,
In an August 21 editorial, Matt Welch misstates the implementation date for new travel document requirements under the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative. Passport requirements at our land and sea borders do not take immediate effect in January 2008. Initially, a government-issued photo ID and proof of citizenship will be required. Requirements for passports or other approved documents will take full effect next summer.
Even more problematic, Mr. Welch fails to grasp the fundamental reason why our nation is taking steps to strengthen travel document security at our borders and why we are working with states to create secure driver's licenses under the REAL ID Act.
Identification documents are as important as weapons for terrorists. They enable terrorist travel and plotting. Shutting down this known vulnerability was a core recommendation of the 9/11 Commission, and it was mandated by Congress.
Admittedly, these measures involve some modest individual inconvenience. But, that far outweighs increases in identity theft, or having to explain to a future 9/11 commission why terrorists were able to use fraudulent identification to enter the United States and carry out an attack.
Sincerely,
Russ Knocke
Deputy Assistant Secretary
Department of Homeland Security
There's a clarification now on the
original piece.
Super IDs for Arizona in works
Homeland Security wants driver's license that serves as passport
Sean Holstege
The Arizona Republic
Aug. 25, 2007 12:00 AM
Arizona could be the first state along the Mexican border and one of the first in the country to develop a driver's license secure enough to be used in lieu of a passport at a port of entry.
The U.S. Department of Homeland Security announced an agreement Friday with Arizona to use new, more-expensive, state-issued licenses as a valid ID for entering the country.
New U.S. travel restrictions with stricter documentation requirements take effect next year for the Western Hemisphere.
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Creating tamper-proof IDs is critical in Arizona. Nearly 12 million pedestrians and 9.5 million vehicles passed through Arizona's six controlled international border crossings last year.
At those ports of entry, customs agents have to review more than 8,000 valid forms of identification.
Arizona issued nearly 1.3 million driver's licenses last year.
Gov. Janet Napolitano's office thinks the new license, still only a concept, may cost $4 million to develop and could be paid for by an increase in fees.
A license now costs $10 to $25, depending on the age of the applicant. Getting a more-secure license would be voluntary.
Job-seekers could use the new driver's license to prove work eligibility under the state's tough new employer-sanctions law and to avoid prosecution under the recently announced federal crackdown on hiring undocumented workers.
Washington and Vermont already have government approval to develop a secure driver's license that can be used for international travel in the Americas.
Vermont pushed for approval after a rush on passports created a backlog.
Starting Jan. 31, U.S. citizens will need a valid government-issued ID and proof of citizenship to enter the country.
The Arizona Legislature must approve development of the new licenses, which Homeland Security said could satisfy the requirements of the controversial Real ID Act.
The act was written in response to a key recommendation of the 9/11 Commission, because all but one of the Sept. 11, 2001, hijackers used fake identities to travel.
By law, every state must issue tamper-proof IDs by 2010. Rules are expected by the end of the year.
Nationally, since 2005, customs officials have seized 90,000 fraudulent documents and stopped 60,000 people making false citizenship claims at the borders.
Nonetheless, 16 states have passed laws opposing compliance with the Real ID Act.
Arizona is not among them, but earlier this year, Napolitano testified in Washington, D.C., that costs of compliance would cripple state budgets.
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepubli ... d0825.html
Are You Ready for Your North American Union ID Card?
by James Plummer
Posted: 07/17/2006
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(March 17) You will be happy to learn that the former head of the KGB (the secret police of the former Soviet Union), General Yevgeni Primakov, has been hired as a consultant by the US Department of Homeland Security. Do you think he will share his expertise in "security" to prepare US citizens for domestic internal passports under the pretense of fighting the never-ending "War on Terrorism"?
CAPPS II is the name of the new program which is technically under the auspices of the US Department of Transporation, but that's only technical and the only reaosn they did that was to use the Transportation Department's budget to buy the computer hardware and software they need.
The way it works is you give them your credit card and they slide it thorough like you would in a store and then they hit a button and the monitor reads: CAPPS II, SS CTF. The SS CTF evidently stands for State Security Citizen Threat File. But it has nothing to do with the Department of Transportation. It goes directly to a division, which has been established between the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, and the CIA and several other federal agencies. This is a new division, referred to as the Office of Internal Security, which is coordinating the effort to establish citizen threat files on every US citizen. It will be a huge database including credit files, medical files, political and religious affiliation, military history, attendance at anti-government rallies,etc.
The newsclip didn't point out what information is being accessed.
The only thing they'll tell you is they're going to access your credit history, but like the guy giving the interview said they will be accessing a whole lot more. They just don't tell you what it is. When the Department of Homeland Security was asked about it, they wouldn't say but replied that it would defeat the purpose if we told you what it was we were looking for.
No announcement will be made to the public about what information exactly is being accessed or exactly how much information or what type of information is going to be included in each citizen's security threat file.
What I liked about this segment is that they interviewed General Yevgeni Primakov, who is now a consultant to the Department of Homeland Security along with General Alexander Karpov.
Primakov was laughing about it because he's getting paid a big fee to do it. He doesn't care, of course. Primakov speaks beautiful English, as you would expect a former head of the KGB to do. When he was asked what is this CAPPS II program really about, because obviously even "terrorists" could have credit ratings.
Primakov said that this is one of the steps now being employed along with NICA and new identity upgrade features which are coming to your driver's license. It is being used to get the people used to new types of documentation and carrying new types of identity cards pursuant to the United States instituting a formal policy of internal passports.And he actually used the words "internal passports."
It's like he said and he was pretty knowledgeable. When the NICA (National Identity Card Act) gets passed, the Posse Comitatus Act gets overturned, a few other pieces of legislation yet to be proffered get passed, the White House will have more control over the American people than the Kremlin had over the Russian people when Stalin was alive. He said that and then he laughed.
What Primakov finds funny are what he calls these "right wing flag wavers" that were so anti-communist and now they're supporting a state policy of internal passports.
The irony is deafening.
Old right wing farts -- turn up your hearing aids for the irony is deafening.
Primakov continued by saying that he had been hired as a consultant and he was consulting on other "security" matters, an ongoing policy in various agencies of government (some of these offices haven't even been created yet) to consistently narrow the rights of the American people and to expand the power of government. He professed not to know why, the reason for all this was, other than he admitted that "it doesn't have much to do with 'fighting terrorism.'"
In other words, it's funny that we need a commie to come over here and tell people the truth. And remember its not just any commie, it's the former head of the KGB, who is being (paid) for with taxpayers' money from all the (naive) flag wavers out there.
If you think about it - how ironic this whole thing is. And it's not only Primakov, who was, by the way the last general of the KGB, before the KGB was changed to RFSS. Look who else was hired. There's General Primakov.
Then there's General Karpov, former KGB station chief of their Washington station at their embassy and the first director of the Russian Federal Security Service.
You could call this the "Sovietization of America." Primakov said he can't wait to get on the payroll (he called it the "pay corps," referring to the Heritage Foundation, the PNAC and all the other right wing foundations in the United States) He cant get over how many ex-KGB generals and colonels still want to come over to the United States and become consultants to get on the pay corps.
It has been reported that Nikita Krushchev Jr works for the Heritage Foundation. Another right wing foundation has Elena Stalin. The Old Soviet Brand names are all coming to Washington to get on the gravy train and teach the Bush administration how to further restrict the rights of the American people.
And Primakov is waiting for the USSA, The United Soviet States of America. It'll probably make him feel right at home.
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Can DHS Force Real ID?
By Allan Holmes | Monday, August 27, 2007 | 01:47 PM
Much was made of Homeland Security Department Secretary Michael Chertoff's comment last week that residents of states that fail to follow the Real ID Act's requirement to issue more secure driver's licenses will be required to show a passport to gain entry into state parks, to board airplanes, or to enter any federal building. According to a CNN article:
"This is not a mandate," Chertoff said. "A state doesn't have to do this, but if the state doesn't have -- at the end of the day, at the end of the deadline -- Real ID-compliant licenses then the state cannot expect that those licenses will be accepted for federal purposes."
Just how serious DHS is about requiring these residents to show passports, or how much power the department has to make it happen, is highly questionable, points out security expert Bruce Schneier. In his blog last week, Schneier wrote that Chertoff's threat is "a lot of bluster." Schneier explained, "The federal government just can't say that citizens of -- for example -- Georgia (which passed a bill in May authorizing the Governor to delay implementation of REAL ID) can't walk into a federal courthouse without a passport. Or can't board an airplane without a passport -- imagine the lobbying by Delta Airlines here. They just can't."
Seventeen states have passed legislation opposing the law and other states are considering similar bills. Washington, Vermont and Arizona have already found some common ground.
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This is a Republic. Every state should have its own manner of ID as needed by the state and voted on by its citizens, not by its legislature. If a state's populations wants to give up another freedom in the hope it will mean security, let 'em; but, as long as I get to vote, my vote is NO to anything that gives the feds more power over me and mine. I'm hard-working and law-abiding and I plan to hold onto every freedom we have as long as I can. Vote for Ron Paul and any other candidate running for office who agrees our only hope is a return to our Constitution. Mr. Paul is the only candidate who is interested in the freedom and well-being of individuals. When safety becomes your priority, you are in really BIG trouble!
Dove | Wednesday, August 29, 2007 | 02:08 PM
Good thing that at least there is one presidential candidate who is against this proposal - Ron Paul.
Daniel | Tuesday, August 28, 2007 | 09:24 PM
REAL ID is only the latest expansion of federal power, though peraps the most potentially dangerous. The combination of having no effective limit upon the federal government to expand its authority under the Commerce Clause and the pervasive dependence of states and localities upon "free" federal dollars have eviscerated federalism. When the federal government pays the piper, it gets to call the tune!
The Person Paying the Piper Calls the Tune | Tuesday, August 28, 2007 | 03:16 PM
The act actually says the following are to be on the document: Name, address, date of birth, gender, driver's license or state ID number, photo, signature and security features to prevent tampering and counterfeiting. The data must be stored on a bar code. This information is already on most state licenses, the difference is the "security features" which do not appear to involve personal information but could be individual numbers. However, your license already has an individual number.
For many years agencies and businesses have tried to make the Social Security Number a national ID. This action is an attempt to get around having a national ID by having the states provide the document with a measure of some uniformity that could be accepted as valid by all states.
The feds can require the use of the new document for proof of identity for things like obtaining a duplicate Social Security card, a student loan, or any other transactions where proof of ID is needed.
Kathy | Tuesday, August 28, 2007 | 01:29 PM
In my time as an active duty member of the armed forces, we were forced to give samples of our DNA to be strictly used only for "remains identification." There were several service members court-martialed for refusing to donate samples. It wasn't long afterward, the database was opened up to law enforcement just like the fingerprint database, then soon afterward, aceess to the information was opened up even more. Now, I have no idea who has access to my DNA information. yipee
No matter what the government does, it cannot protect us all from harm- ever. Let's stop trying to get them to. I am a big boy, I look both ways before I cross the street, I can avoid an Internet scam, and if someone hijacks an airliner I'm on, Let's Roll!
No sacrifice of liberty in the name of security
gWiz | Tuesday, August 28, 2007 | 01:10 PM
Laurie and like-minded folks - pull your heads out!
Remember learning as children that people in the old Soviet Union could not move freely about their own country without the proper "papers"?? Now you want that here, just so you can feel a little "safer"?
To paraphrase Ben Franklin, those who give up essential liberty in order to gain some security surrender both and deserve neither.
Freedom is not free, it takes a heavy price. If you want a perfectly safe existence, like an animal in a zoo - keep giving more power to the federal government. If you think I'm nuts, and that what I fear can't happen in this day and age - that's your first warning sign that you're ripe to become a "subject" rather than a "citizen".
Rick | Tuesday, August 28, 2007 | 12:01 PM
First secure our borders. Then round up the illegals. Then do a 100% check on all cargo containers. Then put predator drone electronics into planes to prevent their flying into buildings. Then we will not need a brave new world.
Wise Old Owl | Tuesday, August 28, 2007 | 10:30 AM
Duh?! Your U.S. Passport is a "national i.d." and ALWAYS has been! Besides, since when do states get to pick and chose which laws they violate? That's unbelievable! This important law has been put in place, with the intent of protecting American citizens. Having first hand knowledge of a foreign national who altered his name to illegally enter the U.S. through the VISA Waiver system, as he lied on his papers, to cause further harm and damages to an innocent American family, I wholeheartedly support this law. At the same time, I must say, we as Americans have a duty & obligation to ensure that corrupt politicians are not able to violate its intent to protect citizens or abuse it to cause harm to law-abiding citizens. It can also be used to help to identify illegal aliens who have violated U.S. laws by entering the U.S. from the onset, or to prevent the entrance of inadmissible aliens who are intent on causing harm to U.S. citizens. I have no problem with law-abiding people entering our country with good intentions, but the majority of Americans DO INDEED have a serious problem with those who act with complete disregard for our laws and national security from the onset. The Real I.D. Law can and should be used as a protective tool to ensure U.S. citizen's safety, with compliance, cooperation and citizen oversight to ensure it is.
Laurie | Tuesday, August 28, 2007 | 10:07 AM
I much prefer this law and sanctions than the one's the Fed's have mandated over the years
21 to consume legal beverages
18 to smoke
an abortion at any age
gas taxes going to mass transit
The solution here is for the Feds to stop any contributions to safety in states that don't comply
dan ketter | Tuesday, August 28, 2007 | 09:59 AM
He said: "I don't believe in the Easter Bunny or Silver Bullets, and don't believe in REAL ID." The simple truth is if REAL ID had been around before 911, all it would have meant is that the terrorists would have had REAL IDs and not normal driver's licenses. And when REAL ID is forged (and it will), they will continue to push more invasive measures. Identification only works in limited areas, and you can only push to have a reasonable level of it. Beyond that, you get rapidly diminishing security benefits at the expense of rapidly diminishing freedom.
Easter Bunny | Tuesday, August 28, 2007 | 09:46 AM
Is Michael Chertoff going to require that people who do have a drivers license to put out money they can ill afford to get a passport in order to enjoy the state parks? In most states (at least the ones in which I have lived), an individual who does not drive can get a state ID card. It does not give them permission to drive; it is used only for identification. And, it does have a picture of the individual. My mother, who could no longer drive, had one in Texas.
Jo Ann | Tuesday, August 28, 2007 | 08:28 AM
This is the beginning of a national identity card. Whether it be a drivers license or a passport. A federally recognized identification is the start. Yes, they can enforce it within the federal realm but I promise you it will just be a matter of time before they expand the scope of the identification requirements. The speed of the implementation will be a function of terrorist and security incidents within the borders of the US.
M. King | Tuesday, August 28, 2007 | 07:08 AM
North American Union is going to get ya!
Join Americans for Legal Immigration against the NAU and the Real ID.
www.alipac.us
CheshireCat | Tuesday, August 28, 2007 | 04:53 AM
We Americans are getting tired of the Federal Goverment threaten everybody. They need to have Air Marshall on the Planes so a tragedy like 911 won't happen again. Real ID is not going to stop terrorist. I don't even think that Illegals immigrants are terrorist, the majority of them come to America to WORK.
The problem is that lately we fault illegals for everything, when in reality we as a Country have made anemies with other Countries. We need to stop policing other Countries and concentrate on our own.
Rob | Monday, August 27, 2007 | 07:55 PM
As a conservative, I'm appalled at the Republicans pushing this REAL ID business.
Instead of asking citizens "What do you have to hide?"--we should be monitoring the government and asking it's members "Why do you want so much power?"
The reality of it is that the burden of proof lies with promoters of unprecedented measures like national id (something the writers of the Constitution would have abhorred).
Freedoms are lost in our theory/philosophy long before they are lost in practice. I encourage you to look down the road a little further.
Instead of asking citizens "What do you have to hide?"--we should be monitoring the government and asking it's members "Why do you want so much power?"
Surely we can think through ways to fight illegal immigration and terror without:
1. A massive increase in government power: If it were not such an increase, there would be no push for this change...
2. A continued undermining of federalism: Federalism is a great idea who time to return has come. It is a Constitutional ideal we should pursue.
3. An undermining of the 4th amendment: My person should be secure from searches and seizures.
If, indeed, biometrics is used someday, the government will have seized incredible personal information of innocent people. Where does this information go? Who will have access to it? Why shouldn't I consider this information "mine" and not the governments?
This measure is not really voluntary because REAL ID would control one's access to banking and travel. The individual will have to have ongoing "permission" to access his own hard-earned money.
4. An increased ability to track Americans in real-time: The ease of real-time surveillance will be immeasurable advanced.
5. An erosion of the presumption of innocence: Is the individual--in his daily life--"innocent-until-proven guilty" or "suspect-until-properly-identified?"
6. A radically increased ability to enforce arbitrary (future) rules: Do we really believe politicians will resist using such an infrastructure that makes regulation enforcement and addition so easy?
The so-called "minimum standards" will increase--along with a certain increase in uses for the card.
7. Instant federal approval on whether you and I can earn money. The "employee verification" system in the defunct immigration bill was tied to REAL ID. This is an incredible power over an American. This aspect of immigration enforcement is sure to raise its head again.
I'm all for stemming the tide of illegal immigration. But I don't want to throw our freedoms into the dump to do it.
It's ironic that the so-called conservatives are pushing for REAL ID. These "conservatives" should quit talking about their belief in "limited government."
John R. | Monday, August 27, 2007 | 05:03 PM
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State representative warns of National ID Card
Plan could wreak havoc with privacy, freedom, says Rep. Jim Guest
By: Angie Anaya Borgedalen
Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:50 AM CDT
State Rep. Jim Guest is a man on a crusade: to stop implementation of the National Real ID Act passed by the U.S. Congress in 2005.
If allowed to move forward as proposed by the Department of Homeland Security, the act could threaten the religious freedom, privacy and personal security of Americans, the states' right to issue identification and the nation's sovereignty, Guest said.
Guest, a Republican from King City, brought his message to the Liberty Rotary Club Aug. 22.
“Freedom is not a Democrat or Republican issue,â€
Just Say No: www.i2i.org/main/article.php?article_id=182
That is correct, that article was written in 2002Quote:
Originally Posted by POTUS
Personal Identity Verification (PIV) Data Generator
Published Sun, 2007-09-02 17:50 Software
The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) recently released an improved version of its Personal Identity Verification (PIV) Data Generator, a downloadable Java application (http://csrc.nist.gov/piv-program/downlo ... tware.html) that can be used to create test data for evaluating PIV systems and cards.
The credit card-sized PIV card contains integrated circuit chips for storing electronic information, a personal identification number and protected biometric data—a printed photograph and two electronically stored fingerprints. Use of these cards by federal employees and contractors is mandated by October 2008 under the Homeland Security Presidential Directive 12 with the technical and operational requirements specified by Federal Information Processing Standard (FIPS) 201. FIPS 201 was developed by NIST in conjunction with other organizations and approved by Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez in February 2005.
The latest version of the PIV Data Generator has been enhanced for dynamic data production and is designed for use with the PIV Data Model Tester (available from the same Web page). The test data objects produced by the PIV Data Generator conform to the FIPS 201 requirements as well as the guidelines set forth in three NIST publications, Interfaces for Personal Identity Verification (SP 800-73-1), Biometric Data Specification for Personal Identity Verification (SP 800-76-1) and Cryptographic Algorithms and Key Sizes for Personal Identity Verification (SP 800-78-1). FIPS 201, as well as the three special publications, may be obtained at http://csrc.nist.gov.
A separate utility within the same download as the Data Generator—the PIV Data Loader—can be used to place generated data onto blank PIV cards to create customized cards for testing the conformance to FIPS 201 and the interoperability of PIV security system components.
REAL ID, DHS Issues Proposal The Department of Homeland Security has announced its proposal to establish minimum standards for state-issued driver’s licenses and identification cards in compliance with the REAL ID Act of 2005. The REAL ID requirements are a result of recommendations made by the 9/11 Commission, which Congress passed into law, and will enhance the security and integrity of driver’s licenses.
U.S. Identity Fraud Fraud rates were calculated based on the total number of reported identity frauds divided by the number of applications; as a result, the population density was scaled out, enabling comparisons among areas with differing populations. Applications in this analysis were submitted to credit grantors from January 2005 through June 2006. The addresses on the applications may belong to the victims of the identity fraud if the perpetrator were to use the complete and accurate identity information of the victim.
The Identity Theft Task Force The Identity Theft Task Force has adopted interim recommendations on measures that can be implemented immediately to help address the problem of identity theft, Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales and Federal Trade Commission Chairman Deborah Platt Majoras announced today. The Identity Theft Task Force, which was established by Executive Order of the President on May 10, 2006, and is now comprised of 17 federal agencies and departments, will deliver a final strategic plan to the President in November.
http://www.technologynewsdaily.com/node/7901
REAL ID, DHS Issues Proposal
Published Fri, 2007-03-02 20:29
The Department of Homeland Security has announced its proposal to establish minimum standards for state-issued driver’s licenses and identification cards in compliance with the REAL ID Act of 2005. The REAL ID requirements are a result of recommendations made by the 9/11 Commission, which Congress passed into law, and will enhance the security and integrity of driver’s licenses.
The department’s proposed regulations set standards for states to meet the requirements of the REAL ID Act, including: security features that must be incorporated into each card; verification of information provided by applicants to establish their identity and lawful status in the United States; and physical security standards for locations where licenses and identification cards are issued.
As proposed, a REAL ID driver’s license will be required in order to access a federal facility, board federally-regulated commercial aircraft, and enter nuclear power plants. Because states may have difficulty complying before the May 11, 2008, deadline, DHS will grant an extension of the compliance deadline until December 31, 2009. States that have received extensions will, over the course of the waiver period, submit proposed timetables for compliance.
DHS also announced that up to 20 percent of a state’s Homeland Security Grant Program funds can be used to help implement REAL ID. This additional flexibility will be made available during the current 2007 grant cycle.
In May 2005, President Bush signed the "Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for Defense, the Global War on Terror, and Tsunami Relief Actâ€
Research Shows Highest Rates of U.S. Identity Fraud
Published Wed, 2007-02-14 21:24
ID Analytics, Inc., has released the results of analytical research on U.S. identity fraud by geography. The new research, which is the first ever to be based on actual and attempted frauds rather than on consumer victim reports, shows the states with the highest rates of identity fraud are New York and the Western states of California, Nevada and Arizona. The analytical research also shows that the highest metropolitan area rates of identity fraud are in New York, while the states with the lowest rates of identity fraud are Wyoming, Vermont and Montana.
By analyzing data from its ID Networkâ„¢, a trusted third-party identity fraud prevention system, ID Analytics is able to gain a quantitative understanding of the nature of identity fraud. The ID Network comprises three billion identity elements-including names, addresses, Social Security numbers and phone numbers-which are contributed in real time, by organizations spanning multiple industries, for the sole purpose of preventing identity fraud. Sophisticated analytics applied against data in the ID Network enable ID Analytics to examine how identities behave across organizations. Further statistical analysis enables ID Analytics to determine where identity fraud is most common.
The ten states with the highest rates of identity fraud are:
1. New York
2. California
3. Nevada
4. Arizona
5. Illinois
6. Hawaii
7. Oregon
8. Michigan
9. Washington
10. Texas
The ten states with the lowest rates of identity fraud are:
1. Wyoming
2. Vermont
3. Montana
4. North Dakota
5. New Hampshire
6. Ohio
7. Maine
8. Iowa
9. West Virginia
10. South Dakota
When examined at a 3-digit zip code level, the ten metropolitan areas with the highest identity fraud rates are:
1. New York, NY
2. Detroit, MI
3. Los Angeles, CA
4. Little Rock, AR
5. Greenville, MS
6. Atlanta, GA
7. Phoenix, AZ
8. Portland, OR
9. Dallas, TX
10. Springfield, IL
Fraud rates were calculated based on the total number of reported identity frauds divided by the number of applications; as a result, the population density was scaled out, enabling comparisons among areas with differing populations. Applications in this analysis were submitted to credit grantors from January 2005 through June 2006. The addresses on the applications may belong to the victims of the identity fraud if the perpetrator were to use the complete and accurate identity information of the victim. However, based on prior research into the nature of "true-name identity theft" and "synthetic identity fraud," ID Analytics scientists believe the majority of the addresses are associated with the perpetrators of the fraud using synthetic identities of real and false identity elements. The research showed that identity theft victimizing an actual consumer (true-name identity theft) accounts for 10-15 percent of all identity fraud. Identity fraud using identities fabricated from real and false data (synthetic identity fraud) accounts for 85-90 percent of all identity fraud. While the applications include real addresses for the purposes of verification and receipt of credit cards and goods, the addresses may be residences, places of work or any other physical location where fraudsters can conveniently receive the tools and plunder of their trade.
http://www.technologynewsdaily.com/node/6013
It would be interesting to calculate how many of these states have large numbers of illegals...
The Identity Theft Task Force
Published Tue, 2006-09-19 23:12
The President’s Identity Theft Task Force has adopted interim recommendations on measures that can be implemented immediately to help address the problem of identity theft, Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales and Federal Trade Commission Chairman Deborah Platt Majoras announced today. The Identity Theft Task Force, which was established by Executive Order of the President on May 10, 2006, and is now comprised of 17 federal agencies and departments, will deliver a final strategic plan to the President in November.
The interim recommendations of the Identity Theft Task Force were announced following a meeting of the Task Force today at the Justice Department.
The Identity Theft Task Force’s interim recommendations to the Administration include the following:
Data Breach Guidance to Agencies-
In light of several, large data breaches suffered in recent months by government agencies, the Task Force recommends that the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) issue to all federal agencies a Task Force memorandum, which covers the factors that should govern whether and how to give notice to affected individuals in the event of a government agency data breach, and the factors that should be considered in deciding whether to offer services such as free credit monitoring. Such guidance is the first comprehensive road map of the steps that agencies should take to respond to a breach and to mitigate the risk of identity theft.
Development of Universal Police Report for Identity Theft Victims-
To ensure that identity theft victims have easy access to police reports documenting the misuse of their personal information – which are necessary in order for the victims to, for example, request that fraudulent information on their credit report be blocked, or to obtain a seven-year fraud alert on their credit file – the Task Force recommends the development of a “universal police reportâ€
A layered approach
New driver’s licenses and ID cards face many security threats
By Alice Lipowicz
Despite an $11 billion price tag and the availability of new security technologies, the millions of new driver’s licenses that states will need to produce to comply with the Real ID Act may still be vulnerable to counterfeiting and tampering, industry experts say.
Recent emphasis in the government identification card field has been on high-tech security features, such as encryption of data on the microchip embedded in the cards. But the Real ID Act cards that now exist may present greater low-tech risks.
As with current driver’s licenses, there is no single foolproof protection against swapping photo images on the cards. “The picture can be replaced,â€
Real ID regulations moving slowly, two governors say
BY Wade-Hahn Chan
Published on Sept. 17, 2007
State leaders are reminding federal agencies that the clock is ticking on standardized, secure driver’s license programs.
Delaware Gov. Ruth Ann Minner and Nevada Gov. Jim Gibbons pressed the Office of Management and Budget director in a letter sent Sept. 12 to release regulations for the Real ID Act of 2005 and to “provide the significant investment necessary to meet the requirements of the federal mandate.â€
Tuesday, September 18, 2007
California could be 3rd state to ban forced RFID implants
By Orr Shtuhl, Special to Stateline.org
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Photo courtesy of VeriChip Corp.
The VeriChip implantable RFID tag, made up of a microchip and an antenna encased in glass, is 12 mm long and 2 mm in diameter, about the size of a grain of rice.
It would be an interesting feature of an employee’s first day: sign a contract, fill out a W-2 and roll up your sleeve for your microchip injection.
Sounds like sci-fi, but it’s happened, and now a handful of states are making sure their citizens will never be forced to have a microchip implanted under their skin.
If Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R) signs a bill passed Sept. 4, California would join Wisconsin and North Dakota in banning human implanting of these tags without consent.
No one’s quite sure how real a threat these forced implants might be, or why states are feeling compelled to protect their residents from being physically tagged. Lawmakers are calling the legislation pre-emptive, while the industry that produces the technology sees the states’ action as fear mongering.
Radio-frequency identification (RFID) tags – tiny, data-storing microchips about the size of a grain of rice – are in passports, in Wal-Mart factory shipments and in subway passes in cities from New York to Taiwan. They are also in humans. On one less-than-likely episode of "Law & Order: Special Victims Unit," a paranoid actor Bob Saget even uses one to monitor his adulterous wife.
Unlike Global Positioning System (GPS) technology, which is used for constant, real-time tracking, RFID tags are scanned at close range – usually from a few feet to a few inches. The tags are tracked by scanners installed at checkpoints, such as office doors or warehouse loading docks. The systems are also commonly used in highway toll collection and as theft protection in car keys.
In humans, they have been used to store medical information, to track movement and to gain access to locked rooms. To date, 2,000 RFID chips have been sold for implantation in humans, says VeriChip Corp., the only manufacturer with a Food and Drug Administration-approved implantable chip.
The company is focusing its technology on medical patient identification, and about 400 patients, including those with Alzheimer's disease, have RFIDs implanted. Other VeriChip human implants have been used by a Spanish nightclub to allow VIPs with implanted chips to bypass entrance lines and by the Mexico attorney general’s staff to safeguard identity information at a time when the kidnapping of government officials there is not uncommon.
Some customers are using them as high-tech keys. Ohio security firm CityWatcher.com raised eyebrows in 2006 when it requested that some of its employees be “chipped,â€
I am in total agreement. This is a form of a leash on us. These criminal always, ALWAYS, get around this stuff. We are the only ones who always pay the piper.
They have enough on us that they don't need any REAL ID.
I am waiting on a reply from my state, about this. I want them to not participate, but that may be fruitless. We have more wimps than anything around here. Not only that they can debate forever, unless its involves getting more money from us. :x
On those chips they tried to implant them in elderly with alzheimers in several florida nursing homes. I don't know if the succeeded or not.
Apparently they also have caused deaths......THAT has been in the papers.
Scary the things they even contemplate.
Can you imagine what goes on that we haven't ANY IDEA about? :twisted: :roll:
N.H. Civil Liberties Union holding forum on Real ID
Associated Press - September 29, 2007 9:05 AM ET
CONCORD, N.H. (AP) - The New Hampshire Civil Liberties Union is holding a forum today to discuss the Real ID Act which is a federal mandate for states to meet uniform licensing standards.
New Hampshire passed a law this spring rejecting the mandate - which some see as tantamount to creating a national ID. A panel will discuss lawmakers' action and the future possibilities for the government to collect personal information on every American.
Presidential candidates were invited to either speak, send representatives or provide written positions on Real ID.
The forum is at 2 p.m. at the Franklin Pierce Law Center.
http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=7145659&nav=4QcS
Fast Track to Tyranny: The REAL ID Act of 2005 10.03.07â€
WOW! Anyone who thinks that this is a good idea (and I spotted someone who did)-well I CANNOT even fathom how one could get their mind so twisted around something this obscene, to move us closer to having RFID chips in our arms?! Anyone here ever heard of the mark of the beast? New World Order? Rockefellers?
You actually think this would end our illegal immigrants from getting driver's licenses, and this is our biggest problem????
It would make our country and Mexico borderless! It would make a huge influx of Immigrants.
Why do you think FEMA is preparing for this?
Wake up take a whiff.
Letter: REAL ID = End Of American Freedom
The Raleigh Chronicle 11.JAN.08
LETTER TO THE EDITOR - A reader says that the new REAL ID measures affecting state driver's licenses are tantamount to creating a national identification card and will lead to an erosion of American freedom.
DEAR EDITOR:
I remember growing up and seeing movies in the 1950's with scenes that included Russian soldiers and enforcers in other dictatorships demanding to see the national identification papers of citizens as they traveled.
"Papers, please," was the common refrain.
While watching those movies, American citizens sneered at such countries and how they treated their people. We said how lucky we are to live in a country where we have freedom from such tyranny. It seemed strange to track where people traveled within their own country and to ask for their ID at every turn.
Now, the United States of America, which under President Ronald Reagan only a few years ago would have shuddered at such a notion of requiring its citizens to carry "papers", is in the process of requiring its citizens to carry a national ID card.
The federal government REAL ID program is designed not only to turn every single person's drivers license into a national ID card to be included in a national database but will require showing such a card and scanning it for such basic services as visiting a Social Security office, talking with your Congressman, or even traveling within our own borders.
There are several problems with this REAL ID act, so much so that 17 different states have said that they object to the measures in their current form, at least in part due to the enormous cost that it will entail to their citizens both financially and in terms of privacy.
According to the current draft, which is still being hammered out by the Department of Homeland Security (but not up for public debate), anytime a state issues a driver's license, they will be required to do a background check on that person in conjunction with a national database.
That federal database will be used in conjunction with other national databases to collect information on Americans, ensure that their Social Security number is associated with their driver's license, and also require each driver's license to feature an electronic code that allows for quick scanning and retention of information by authorities in real time.
The REAL ID-compliant drivers license would be required for air travel and to enter any federal facility. Rest assured that those locations where a REAL ID will be required will expand over time and pretty soon you will need to have a REAL ID compliant national ID card to board a bus or train, enter a shopping mall, visit a university library, enter an NFL football stadium, or perhaps someday start the engine on your vehicle. The technology is already there to make these types of requirements happen.
Under the program, anyone who does not have a REAL ID card, such as a citizen in one of those 17 states, will not enjoy the same complete freedoms of movement and access to our federal government facilities as those who do. Those who are homeless, do not drive, who are elderly or have been too sick to renew their license, or perhaps have other problems keeping them from obtaining an ID will be "locked out" of parts of our society.
As an example, during the Hurricane Katrina floods, some Louisiana citizens are having a hard time proving their identity after important birth certificates and other records were wiped out.
Before you say that everyone should have an identification card anyway, you should know that there is no law in the United States of America (or in any of the 50 states) that requires you to carry an identification card on your person at all times. The new REAL ID measures effectively eliminate that option.
In addition, in terms of privacy, there are many problems associated with a national ID card that will process information in electronic form. The creation of such a large federal database that essentially collects information on Americans is disturbing, no matter what the stated purpose.
Would you like it if the government knew and kept track of every single place that you visited? As use of the card becomes more prevalent, that will become a growing concern and quite frankly, it's none of the government's business where its citizens legitimately travel within our country's borders.
Further, our federal government has shown that it has been a poor steward of such electronic information as we hear stories all of the time about government laptops with personal info being stolen or identity theft occurring on a massive scale.
The government has also shown that when implementing computer databases that it cannot handle errors effectively. Just ask United States Senator Ted Kennedy how long it took him to get off of the "no-fly" terrorist list monitored by the TSA. If a senator with a full time staff of a dozen people has problems and can't get help, then what hope is there for a 45 year old single mother with three kids to feed?
Sadly, even if someone is given the "green light" to get a license, there is no guarantee that the system will flag them as a terrorist or enemy of the state. Since they had no criminal records, several of the 9-11 hijackers had legitimate driver's licenses and the new REAL ID system would not have flagged them unless they tried to obtain more than one from different states.
Will REAL ID be effective against terrorism? Probably not. Is it another new way to collect information on American citizens? More likely.
Another reason to dread the REAL ID program is the hassle that it will create for law-abiding citizens. The recent shutdown of the North Carolina driver's license offices for several days was due to problems with this national system. If you think delays are bad now at the DMV, then wait until the federal government gets involved.
Strangely, those born before 1964 will not be required immediately to take part in the REAL ID program. As such, it unfairly discriminates against our young people, while allowing those of my generation, the Baby Boomers, who created this piece of ill-conceived legislation to forgo the inconvenience.
The 17 state governments and the American Civil Liberties Union have a right to be afraid of the REAL ID program. Not only does it create a national id card that will inevitably be expanded beyond its current scope.
Unfortunately, our government increasingly believes that collecting large amounts of information on its citizens will "combat terrorism." It seems evident however that in terms of information, our government has forgone quality in exchange for quanitity.
Instead of increasing the budgets for constructing large computer databases, perhaps a better expenditure would be to increase the budget of the FBI by billions of dollars to hire actual agents on the street, investigating and pursuing likely suspects, not collecting data on innocent American citizens.
As seen in the 9/11 Report, the government obtained plenty of information on the hijackers before the attacks, but the information was not leveraged. What good will recording more data do if the government is not able to handle the vast amounts of intelligence they already collect?
In theory, the REAL ID program sounds like an invasion of privacy and a massive step in the wrong direction in terms of tracking citizens' personal information, travel habits, and more. It is against everything that we stand for.
In practice, it could be the beginning of the end of American freedom on a massive scale if pursued to its inevitable end of being necessary to go anywhere. In the future, just like in the movies about Russians, American citizens will be the ones hearing that well-known refrain.
"Papers, please."
Sincerely,
Tom Johnson
http://raleigh2.com/
New security rules for driver's licenses
By DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writer Fri Jan 11, 1:33 AM ET
WASHINGTON - Americans born after Dec. 1, 1964, will have to get more secure driver's licenses in the next six years under ambitious post-9/11 security rules to be unveiled Friday by federal officials.
The Homeland Security Department has spent years crafting the final regulations for the REAL ID Act, a law designed to make it harder for terrorists, illegal immigrants and con artists to get government-issued identification. The effort once envisioned to take effect in 2008 has been pushed back in the hopes of winning over skeptical state officials.
Even with more time, more federal help and technical advances, REAL ID still faces stiff opposition from civil liberties groups.
To address some of those concerns, the government now plans to phase in a secure ID initiative that Congress passed into law in 2005. Now, DHS plans a key deadline in 2011 — when federal authorities hope all states will be in compliance — and then further measures to be enacted three years later, according to congressional staffers who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because an announcement had not yet been made. DHS officials briefed legislative aides on the details late Thursday.
Without discussing details, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff promoted the final rules for REAL ID during a meeting Thursday with an advisory council.
"We worked very closely with the states in terms of developing a plan that I think will be inexpensive, reasonable to implement and produce the results," he said. "This is a win-win. As long as people use driver's licenses to identify themselves for whatever reason there's no reason for those licenses to be easily counterfeited or tampered with."
In order to make the plan more appealing to cost-conscious states, federal authorities drastically reduced the expected cost from $14.6 billion to $3.9 billion, a 73 percent decline, according to Homeland Security officials familiar with the plan.
The American Civil Liberties Union has fiercely objected to the effort, particularly the sharing of personal data among government agencies. The DHS and other officials say the only way to make sure an ID is safe is to check it against secure government data; critics like the ACLU say that creates a system that is more likely to be infiltrated and have its personal data pilfered.
In its written objection to the law, the ACLU claims REAL ID amounts to the "first-ever national identity card system," which "would irreparably damage the fabric of American life."
The Sept. 11 attacks were the main motivation for the changes.
The hijacker-pilot who flew into the Pentagon, Hani Hanjour, had a total of four driver's licenses and ID cards from three states. The DHS, which was created in response to the attacks, has created a slogan for REAL ID: "One driver, one license."
By 2014, anyone seeking to board an airplane or enter a federal building would have to present a REAL ID-compliant driver's license, with the notable exception of those more than 50 years old, Homeland Security officials said.
The over-50 exemption was created to give states more time to get everyone new licenses, and officials say the risk of someone in that age group being a terrorist, illegal immigrant or con artist is much less. By 2017, even those over 50 must have a REAL ID-compliant card to board a plane.
Among other details of the REAL ID plan:
_The traditional driver's license photograph would be taken at the beginning of the application instead of the end so that should someone be rejected for failure to prove identity and citizenship, the applicant's photo would be kept on file and checked in the future if that person attempted to con the system again.
_The cards will have three layers of security measures but will not contain microchips as some had expected. States will be able to choose from a menu which security measures they will put in their cards.
Over the next year, the government expects all states to begin checking both the Social Security numbers and immigration status of license applicants.
Most states currently check Social Security numbers and about half check immigration status. Some, like New York, Virginia, North Carolina and California, already have implemented many of the security measures envisioned in REAL ID. In California, for example, officials expect the only major change to adopt the first phase would be to take the photograph at the beginning of the application process instead of the end.
After the Social Security and immigration status checks become nationwide practice, officials plan to move on to more expansive security checks, including state DMV offices checking with the State Department to verify those applicants who use passports to get a driver's license, verifying birth certificates and checking with other states to ensure an applicant doesn't have more than one license.
A handful of states have already signed written agreements indicating plans to comply with REAL ID. Seventeen others, though, have passed legislation or resolutions objecting to it, often based on concerns about the billions of dollars such extra security is expected to cost.
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This is a bunch of lies. NC already has it in place as do others. That means the residents of those states regardless of their age will be put into the national databases.Quote:
The over-50 exemption was created to give states more time to get everyone new licenses, and officials say the risk of someone in that age group being a terrorist, illegal immigrant or con artist is much less. By 2017, even those over 50 must have a REAL ID-compliant card to board a plane.
They will still use biometrics and it is still linked. By "excluding" those born before 1964, they are keeping the aarp of their backs. Be not decieved folks. They will have everyone in the "beast" in the long haul. The states will save nothing and you will be watched constantly with the biomtertic identifiers and their cameras posted around the city.
They say no microchips. But DHS can change that at any time. The Real ID is a violation of the 10th and 4th amendment and needs to be repealed.
Homeland Security Ready to Proceed with Real ID Program
Submitted by Julie on January 11, 2008 - 11:17am.
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Propaganda Brought to you by DHS
The U.S. Department of Homeland Security proposed a controversial new "Real ID" plan back in March 2007, which aims to increase security and prevent fraud. Despite opposition, Homeland Security is now ready to take the next step in getting the program off the ground, and have announced a press conference for Friday afternoon to discuss Real ID.
The Washington Post revealed earlier today that the Bush administration has decided to add five years to the deadline for states to comply with the Real ID drives license standardization program. According to sources who asked not to be named, the deadline for complicity with the program will be extended to as late as May 2014.
The Real ID program will require drivers to submit items including a digital photograph and a birth certificate or similar proof of identity, as well as a sworn statement that information on their application is true.
According to the terms of the program, drivers born after December 1, 1964 will be required to meet the requirements by May 2011, and those drivers older than 50 won't have to meet the requirements until 2018.
The sources claim that the delay in mandating the new Real ID requirements will help prevent a massive surge of applications, and more orderly phasing in of new licenses as drivers reach their scheduled renewal dates.
Civil rights organizations, including the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), have denounced the Real ID program as a national ID scheme. The ACLU recently issued a statement calling Real ID a "real nightmare."
http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/4293
Real ID Deadline Pushed Back Till May 2011
Submitted by Eugmc on January 11, 2008 - 11:05am.
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Remember all the talk of Homeland Security implementing the "Real ID" act that will make things like drivers licenses uniform. Well, the deadline of this year has been pushed back till 2011 to give states more time to implement the sweeping changes that will come with the move.
Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said:
"We have worked very closely with the states in terms of developing a plan that I think will be quite inexpensive, reasonable to implement and produce the results."
If you were born after Dec. 1, 1964 you will be required to submit a digital photograph upon application, a birth certificate or similar proof of identity, and a statement on penalty of perjury by May 2011. Drivers older than 50 would have until 2018 to meet the new license requirements. The changes are said to be saving over 10 Billion dollars with the slower rollout, making the total government expense $3.9 billion after projections of $14.6 billion.
http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/4291
DHS Releases REAL ID Regulation
Release Date: January 11, 2008
For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
Contact: 202-282-8010
REAL ID Requirements
The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) announced today a final rule establishing minimum security standards for state-issued drivers’ licenses and identification cards. The rule sets uniform standards that enhance the integrity and reliability of drivers’ licenses and identification cards, strengthen issuance capabilities, and increase security at drivers’ license and identification card production facilities. The final rule also dramatically reduces state implementation costs by roughly 73 percent.
“The American public’s desire for greater identity protection is undeniable,â€
No I support A real IDQuote:
Originally Posted by MW
Take the mark, become part of the beast, but I will have nothing to do with it. I have studied this bill for 3 years. There is no such thing as a tamper proof id. The Department of Homeland Security has had their computers hacked 844 times in the past two year, most likely more and people expect them to keep all of our data secure. Ti is absolutely insane. A hacker will be able to break into this national database and identity theft will be at an all time high. WAKE UP!
New World Order Afraid of Baby Boomers
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According to Devlin Barrett, news writer for Associated Press, the new National ID Cards will have a 50 and over exemption.
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by Hickory Hendrickson
(Libertarian)
Devlin Barrett of the Associated Press got a sneak peek, into the new National ID Card , or REAL ID, not scheduled to be revealed until Friday.
According to Barret's article, a congressional staffer, who spoke under conditions of anonymity, leaked the information to the AP.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080111/ap_ ... s_licenses
The new REAL ID will include an exemption forAmericans born after Dec. 1, 1964. The exemption will obviously be targeting the largest group speaking out against the National ID Card....the baby boomers.
The new REAL ID, also does away with the ever controversial microchip, or RFID, protested by civil rights activists around the country.
The American Civil Liberties Union , has been the largest group protesting the National ID card Their main objection is the information sharing it would allow among federal agencies.
The plan here sounds obvious to me. Take out the major opposition and proceed with caution.
The new REAL ID also steps back planned mandating of the ID, from 2008 to 2011.
http://www.nolanchart.com/article1085.html
Viewer Feedback On Real ID Debate
(CBS) We wanted to know your thoughts on the state's stance on the Real ID Act. Do you think the federal plan is a valid one that should be implemented or do you side with the state? Here's what you said:
I think the Federal Government should take over the Licensing system.... The state is right that the money should be provided from the federal government.. At the same time, I believe the federal government is on the right track.. This is a great way to identify Illegal aliens (and deal with other aspects of this issue) and thwart terrorist threats...--John V.
I just don't understand what's the big deal. Aside from the cost of implementation, if it keeps Americans safer from the threat of terrorism, it's a great idea. What makes the ALCU think that the government gives a darn about John Q. Public's personal information other than to verify his identity? I have nothing to hide and have NO problem getting the new Real ID.
--Phyllis
I am for anything that will deport illegal aliens. However, not knowing what info will be required that is not already available, will hold my vote until all is revealed.
--Jeanne Schultz
I don't like it this, is to much! it sounds like we will need a badge just to walk down the street sooner or later. My government is taking my rights away every day. Its gone to far!!!!
--Walter M.
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/real.id.ho ... 28263.html
Civil Liberties Groups, Lawmakers Oppose Real ID Act On Grounds Of Privacy
January 12, 2008
Nilanjana Bhowmick - AHN News Writer
Washington, DC (AHN) - The implementation of Real ID, a new set of driving licenses aimed at screening terrorists and illegal immigrants has drawn flak from various quarters. Civil liberties groups, along with some Republicans and Democrats have all dismissed the plan as detrimental to privacy.
The Act was passed by the Congress in 2005 and it was supposed to go into effect beginning this year.
Barry Steinhardt, a lawyer with the American Civil Liberties Union told the Washington Post, "DHS has kicked the can down the road to the next administration and conceivably the next two or three administrations."
The states will have until May 2011 before they start issuing the new licenses and until December 2014 to replace old ones with the new set. People above 50 don't have to have the new licenses until 2017.
Earlier 17 states rejected the program for being expensive. However, the revised program has reduced cost by more than 70 percent. Earlier the cost of implementation has been estimated at $14.6 billion. It has been brought down to $3.9 billion.
The Real IDs will be required to board a flight or to enter a federal building, reports The Voice of America.
Rep F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. (R-WI), the original sponsor of the Real ID Act said that the act was conceived as a deterrent to terrorists from obtaining driving licenses. He told The Washington Post, "While this phased-in enrollment of the law may save states some operational funds, it s important to realize that by pushing back the original 3 year deadline till 2017, a full 12 years after the law was enacted, DHS is weakening the intent of the law. A lot can happen in the next 9 years, and I hope our nation does not encounter a situation in that time that will cause us to regret this delay."
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7009694426
Jim I skimped over the older stuff and jumped into the past 3 or 4 months
One of the biggest arguments I’ve read against the Real ID is that any ID system can be hijacked or that Homeland security system has been hijacked umpteen times...
I have a short question to that argument.
If they know they were hijacked each time, did they fix it?
Will or can this Real ID be mandatory in 2011?
I have a few questions about different states and each one in one way or another has shut this down including my state…
I just had to renew my stuff and I posted the problem I had here
(When I was given a DL for a 17 year old kid.) I still have the ID and a photo copy of the big IM sorry from the clerks office...
Not only did it make me miss a flight but I’m still in a fight with selective service folks…stating that I am who I say I am…
Fight and dodge the draft at my age…. give me a break
I’ve never been one to say law suit easily but if ever there was a reason to sue, I sure have one...
Greg, they only fixed the problem after it occurred, and that happened over 800 times in two years. that means it happened on average once every day. They did not discolse what was done once the hacker breached their system. It only takes seconds to download thousands of files.
Imagine how much worse ti will be when all of our data is complied in one place. You think your problem was/is bad, then compound that by the millions of drivers and those who only use the Identification cards.
Plus let us not forget, the REAL ID allows undocumented or illegal aliens to drive.
Ok now wait a minuteQuote:
Originally Posted by jp_48504
where is that part of the deal from ???
THE REAL ID ACT.Quote:
Originally Posted by GREGAGREATAMERICAN
I tried to warn people before it passed but people do not listen now it is coming back to hurt them. Just like banks accepting the Marticula Consular cards, the illegals can get their own drivers license.
Read this from an article I put on the Home page today.
[quote]Cedillo said he was “pleased with the regulationsâ€
[quote=jp_48504][/quote:15i8fuyo]Quote:
Originally Posted by GREGAGREATAMERICAN
THE REAL ID ACT.
I tried to warn people before it passed but people do not listen now it is coming back to hurt them. Just like banks accepting the Marticula Consular cards, the illegals can get their own drivers license.
Read this from an article I put on the Home page today.
[quote]Cedillo said he was “pleased with the regulationsâ€