Lou Dobbs Show did a good job of covering it.
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Lou Dobbs Show did a good job of covering it.
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I'm very sorry Legal but I respectfully disagree......... I HAVE A RIGHT TO SELF DEFENSE and I, for one, will USE MY RIGHTS! That is the LAW.Quote:
I hate to say this, even if something is thrown at us or done to us, WE MUST PUT IT IN THE HANDS OF THE LAW
What one does NOT use one WILL LOSE by default.
We've already gone down that road and the results were damning to our Rule of Law.
Never, ever give up your RIGHT TO SELF-DEFENSE
> If you don't know how to defend yourself then take a course and gain confidence in your ability to do so.
> If you don't know how to use a firearm and it makes you fearful, take a course and your fears will be alleviated and you'll be an educated 2nd Amendment citizen.
This was just posted on my site (where I've been maintaining a running update on this story all day now):
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I was an eyewitness to the car bumping into the protestors. I need
to stay anonumous due to LE involvement at this time. The truth was
spoken by the man who was arrested. The police stoodby and allowed
the protesters to block the entrance to the parking lot. Even when
vehicles and citizens were being attacked in their vehicles they did
nothing. The law says it is illegal to block driveways and or impead
traffic. They
let it happen. I was very surprised and disapointed in there lack of
protecting these citizens. Even when the gentlemen and his wife
gunned through the mob of protesters. They quickly arrested him. He
was scared and felt threathen for hisself and his wife and the only
thing he could do is what he did to get out of the situation. No
thanks to the help from the police. And again the cops just stood by
and watched. They appeared so bent on protecting the protestors rights
they failed in protecting all citizens rights. The protestors from
what I learned did not even have permit to march on this event. They
showed up and took over Garden Grove and our police did nothing but
earned overtime money. Not impressed. The day prior the event, the
lady who attempted to get police protection has a complaint on an
unknown at this time Sgt. from the police department. Mrs. Coe was
virtually told that she was on her own and if she needed them to call
911. However, later into the night of the event when a few protestors
started throwing items at the police, they acted. So you see how is
goes here in Garden Grove. Wait till something happens, then
respond. Garden Grove citizens get the same attitude when they call
in complaints. It is either not a priority call, or we don't have
the man power, or we no longer enforce that law because of man power.
But let there be overtime pay envolved and look what you get. I
didn't know GGPD had so many officers.
:o HEIDI, thanx! I didn't even know you had your own site. How wonderful and an LT to boot!! Well, you already had your self defense courses, LOL, so I don't have to worry about you :lol: 8)
Can we put you on guard at the future ALIPAC meetings? I can be your trooper for back up. :D
Looks like the news is getting our about the protest, but they are not saying it like they should
Here is a list of places where the same stroy is going out
Here is the story:Quote:
Anti-immigration conference in Vegas spurs plan for protest
AZ Central.com, AZ - 21 hours ago
LAS VEGAS - A conference on the dangers of illegal immigration has drawn calls for protests from a coalition that claims the weekend meeting is designed to ...
Anti-immigration conference in Las Vegas spurs plan for protest
KESQ, CA - 23 hours ago
LAS VEGAS A Memorial Day weekend anti-immigration conference in Las Vegas is generating plans for protests from a coalition claiming the event's about stirring ...
Anti-illegal immigration conference in Las Vegas spurs plan for ...
KVOA.com, AZ - 7 hours ago
A conference on the dangers of illegal immigration has drawn calls for protests from a coalition that claims the weekend meeting is designed to stir racial bias ...
Anti-immigration conference in Las Vegas spurs plan for protest
KRNV, NV - 8 hours ago
A Memorial Day weekend anti-immigration conference in Las Vegas is generating plans for protests from a coalition claiming the event's about stirring racial ...
Anti-immigration conference in Las Vegas spurs plan for protest
Las Vegas Sun, NV - 21 hours ago
LAS VEGAS (AP) - A conference on the dangers of illegal immigration has drawn calls for protests from a coalition that claims the weekend meeting is designed ...
Anti-immigration conference in Las Vegas spurs plan for protest
KOLD-TV, AZ - 22 hours ago
LAS VEGAS A Memorial Day weekend anti-immigration conference in Las Vegas is generating plans for protests from a coalition claiming the event's about stirring ...
Anti-immigration conference in Las Vegas spurs plan for protest
Las Vegas Sun, NV - 22 hours ago
LAS VEGAS (AP) - A conference on the dangers of illegal immigration has drawn calls for protests from a coalition that claims the weekend meeting is designed ...
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/ ... 25-ON.html
Anti-immigration conference in Vegas spurs plan for protest
Associated Press
May. 25, 2005 06:00 PM
LAS VEGAS - A conference on the dangers of illegal immigration has drawn calls for protests from a coalition that claims the weekend meeting is designed to stir racial bias.
"We feel like they are attacking our community and trying to change the mentality of the people against us," said Alan Torres, who is planning a protest outside the conference in Las Vegas.
The event, called "Unite to Fight Against Illegal Immigration," is being organized at the city's Cashman Center by Mark Edwards, a radio talk show host and founder of the Wake Up America Foundation.
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The conference, Saturday through Sunday, is scheduled to feature Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., a leading congressional voice against illegal immigration, and Jim Gilchrist, founder of the Minuteman Project, which posted volunteer sentries last month along Arizona's border with Mexico to spotlight immigration issues.
Edwards was not immediately available for comment Wednesday through Wake Up America or at radio station KDWN-FM in Las Vegas.
He told the Las Vegas Sun that reports about the conference and protests had spurred ticket sales, and said he hoped to draw up to 1,000 participants.
James Dallas, a KDWN talk show host who called himself a backer of Edwards' group, said the conference hoped to attract people "who want to gain knowledge on illegal immigration."
"We're talking about jobs being lost, wages being suppressed and health care costs out of control," Dallas said. "This is not about race, and the people who are injecting race into the issue are trying to confuse the issue."
Torres represents Asociacion Civil del Estado de Durango, a group of Mexican emigrants living in Las Vegas. He said groups that drew more than 1,000 marchers for a recent peaceful protest against anti-immigrant billboards in Las Vegas was marshaling support for protests Saturday and Sunday from unions and Hispanic groups in Nevada, California and Arizona.
Picketers planned to emphasize their effect on the economy in a multicultural community, Torres said.
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Wake Up America Foundation: http://www.wakeupamericafoundation.com
WHAT? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? We should put it in the hands of the same law that allows the most heinous criminals (aka scum of the earth) to be released back out onto the streets or gives them ultra light sentences for comitting those same crimes? We should put it in the hands of the same law that has radical ACLU communists like Ruth Bader Ginsberg stinkin up the bench in the SCOTUS? We should put it in the hands of the same law that is being controlled by the likes of the ACLU and the National Lawyers Guild? If this is your idea of a plan then you sir have already lost. We might as well just hand over the country if this is our line of thinking. We should put it in the hands of the same law that allows illegal aliens to be roaming the streets of America freely without remorse in the first place? I'm sorry, but I'm not going to sit back and watch our country being destroyed by these vermin just for the sake of playing by the same rules that don't apply to the invaders.Quote:
So, GOD, IT IS IMPERATIVE that we NOT do ANYTHING outside of the law. I hate to say this, even if something is thrown at us or done to us, WE MUST PUT IT IN THE HANDS OF THE LAW.
That was the most naive statement I've ever heard out of your mouth. Bush aint gonna do squat. If Bush wanted to stop the invasion, he would have done so by now. He would have done so shortly after 9-11. Waiting for Bush to secure our borders is like waiting for Ms America to come have a sleep over at my house. Hint, Hint it aint gonna happen so wake up. Bush is about as open borders as it gets and he just doesn't care what you and I think. He thinks he's above the will of the people.Quote:
Bush does not want to be remembered in history books as the President who stood back and did nothing as our country is invaded. Look for the President to make an attempt to secure the southern border in the near future to save face. If he does not, it will be the straw that broke the camels back.
Gee then I don't understand why the hell we ever fought any wars in the first place if they don't solve anything. Yeah wars don't solve anything other then the fact that they made and kept us a free, safe and prosperous nation in the first place. :roll:Quote:
We must continue to push this issue to the forefront of the American people in a civil, non-violent manner no matter how much we want to do otherwise. You will not be sucessful doing it in a violent manner or you will find yourselves on the inside looking out if you get my drift?
Gee if only those bad Americans like George Washington would have been able to talk the British into giving up this land then there would have been no need for a revolutionary war in the first place. I wonder what ole George would say if he awoke from his grave only to find out that the country he fought for was being handed over on a silver platter to an invading force from a third world nation without even firing a shot? I don't think he'd be none to pleased, what do you think?
We don't have time. Time is not our friend. Everyday the invasion continues hastens our countries demise. I don't think securing our borders can wait any longer. We are getting invaded by the tens of thousands per day. That is the size of an entire army division, per day. Do you comprehend what that means? How much time should we give? Days? Weeks? Months? Years? Should we wait until 2008? California will belong to Mexico by then.Quote:
Wars are not won on just one battle but a series of battle wins. It will take time to resolve but I AGREE THE SOUTHERN BORDER NEEDS TO BE CLOSED TODAY!
I don't mean to be harsh guys, but I really don't think you all comprehend what's about to happen. I see it everyday. I know these things. I have an uncanny nack for predicting things. Why? Because I'm a profound student of history. I see patterns developing and I can break down what's going to come of those patterns. I see the illegal aliens with a profound desire to take this country over by force. They have said it themselves that all they have to do is get the numbers, outnumber us and drive us out of our lands. Do you comprehend that? They even said if they have to kill off the gringo (you and I and all of us) they will do that. I think they are very serious in their intent. This isn't just a game or a joke. This is for real. They have silently declared war on us whether you want to admit it or not. You are already in the front lines. They are winning this war slowly, but surely. We have to nip this thing in the butt before it's too late.
I'm not saying go out there and shoot em up, kill em up. No, but I want you guys to be prepared for the possibility that this thing might go down and a civil war is a real possibility that you may end up fighting against a foreign invasion, hellbent on taking us down. You may not want to sink to their level, but eventually you may not have a choice. You may have to prepare to sacrifice it all for your country. I hope the day of the civil war never comes, but I'm not going to pretend like that aint gonna happen. It might and we have to be prepared to do whatever it takes to preserve the fabric of this great country. George Washington and his army didn't fight for the right for America to exist by whining, begging and pleaded with King George of England to please give us this land. No he did it by kicking the British out.
What are we willing to do to kick the invaders out? You think they would keep coming if they knew we were serious about defending our keep. Doubtful.
All you have to ask yourselves is do you want America to become Mexico? Do you want to live in a country with a poverty level is low that it's beyond comprehension? Do you want your streets to be run by gangs, drug cartels and criminals? Do you want to live in a town that resembles Mexico City? Do you want to live in a country where the politicans think you are nothing more than a cash cow to them? Oh wait that has already happened now. Do you want to live in a country where your children could be kidnapped and sold off as sex slaves? Do you want to live like they do Mexico? If you answer No to all of these questions then I suggest you get tough and think about doing whatever it takes to win this war even if it means the unthinkable. Otherwise I don't even know why I bother to have this conversation with you all.
That was the most naive statement I've ever heard out of your mouth. Bush aint gonna do squat. If Bush wanted to stop the invasion, he would have done so by now. He would have done so shortly after 9-11. Waiting for Bush to secure our borders is like waiting for Ms America to come have a sleep over at my house. Hint, Hint it aint gonna happen so wake up. Bush is about as open borders as it gets and he just doesn't care what you and I think. He thinks he's above the will of the people.Quote:
Originally Posted by dman1200
Gee then I don't understand why the hell we ever fought any wars in the first place if they don't solve anything. Yeah wars don't solve anything other then the fact that they made and kept us a free, safe and prosperous nation in the first place. :roll:Quote:
We must continue to push this issue to the forefront of the American people in a civil, non-violent manner no matter how much we want to do otherwise. You will not be sucessful doing it in a violent manner or you will find yourselves on the inside looking out if you get my drift?
Gee if only those bad Americans like George Washington would have been able to talk the British into giving up this land then there would have been no need for a revolutionary war in the first place. I wonder what ole George would say if he awoke from his grave only to find out that the country he fought for was being handed over on a silver platter to an invading force from a third world nation without even firing a shot? I don't think he'd be none to pleased, what do you think?
We don't have time. Time is not our friend. Everyday the invasion continues hastens our countries demise. I don't think securing our borders can wait any longer. We are getting invaded by the tens of thousands per day. That is the size of an entire army division, per day. Do you comprehend what that means? How much time should we give? Days? Weeks? Months? Years? Should we wait until 2008? California will belong to Mexico by then.Quote:
Wars are not won on just one battle but a series of battle wins. It will take time to resolve but I AGREE THE SOUTHERN BORDER NEEDS TO BE CLOSED TODAY!
I don't mean to be harsh guys, but I really don't think you all comprehend what's about to happen. I see it everyday. I know these things. I have an uncanny nack for predicting things. Why? Because I'm a profound student of history. I see patterns developing and I can break down what's going to come of those patterns. I see the illegal aliens with a profound desire to take this country over by force. They have said it themselves that all they have to do is get the numbers, outnumber us and drive us out of our lands. Do you comprehend that? They even said if they have to kill off the gringo (you and I and all of us) they will do that. I think they are very serious in their intent. This isn't just a game or a joke. This is for real. They have silently declared war on us whether you want to admit it or not. You are already in the front lines. They are winning this war slowly, but surely. We have to nip this thing in the butt before it's too late.
I'm not saying go out there and shoot em up, kill em up. No, but I want you guys to be prepared for the possibility that this thing might go down and a civil war is a real possibility that you may end up fighting against a foreign invasion, hellbent on taking us down. You may not want to sink to their level, but eventually you may not have a choice. You may have to prepare to sacrifice it all for your country. I hope the day of the civil war never comes, but I'm not going to pretend like that aint gonna happen. It might and we have to be prepared to do whatever it takes to preserve the fabric of this great country. George Washington and his army didn't fight for the right for America to exist by whining, begging and pleaded with King George of England to please give us this land. No he did it by kicking the British out.
What are we willing to do to kick the invaders out? You think they would keep coming if they knew we were serious about defending our keep. Doubtful.
All you have to ask yourselves is do you want America to become Mexico? Do you want to live in a country with a poverty level is low that it's beyond comprehension? Do you want your streets to be run by gangs, drug cartels and criminals? Do you want to live in a town that resembles Mexico City? Do you want to live in a country where the politicans think you are nothing more than a cash cow to them? Oh wait that has already happened now. Do you want to live in a country where your children could be kidnapped and sold off as sex slaves? Do you want to live like they do Mexico? If you answer No to all of these questions then I suggest you get tough and think about doing whatever it takes to win this war even if it means the unthinkable. Otherwise I don't even know why I bother to have this conversation with you all.[/quote:3stk8v42]
I agree, I honestly think that no action will be taken by the govt. to stop this invasion. That leaves us to defend America and our future.
LegalUSCitizen, good post.
I don't think any of us are upset with each other on this topic. Its the situation we are upset about. This topic is informative and and expressive as it should be. We can debate it and contribute to the cause. I think that is what we all want.
In a follow up to my earlier posts, I again say Bush will make an attempt to close the border to save face in light of recent history. Illegals have been coming across the border for decades. It did not start during his watch. Bush will be forced to act soon or he will risk being trumpeted by an aspiring presidential hopeful from either party. The temptation will be so great, someone will not be able to turn it down. The question is, who will it be? Hillary wants the job but does she have the stomach to face going up against the other Dems on this issue also? It will be interesting to know which side she will come to rest upon. She may be inclined to beat George to the punch. George on the other hand would hate to think Hillary got there first on this issue. The Dems want George to stew in this a while before they will help on it. Think about it, do we really believe for one minute that in 20 years George wants to answer his grandchildren's questions on why he did not stop the invasion by securing the border? Believe you me he wants to be able to tell his grandchildren that he made an executive decision to stop the invasion. If he doesn't, he will be the laughing stock of the Republican Party and his fellow Americans especially in light of trying to secure Iraq. It would not surprise me if some of his enemies accuse him of treason when it gets really bad.
Those 200 extra border agents will not be able to do the job either. Lets say for illustrative purposes the border is 1500 miles long. Lets make a guesstimate there are 1000 border agents there already. Maybe that is too high but lets go with it for now. The 200 added to the 1000 makes it of course 1200. That is still over a mile for each agent to cover and illegals still get thur. But with the MinuteMen initiative added to the border agents, their combined efforts have a very good chance to succeed assuming the MinuteMen numbers grow which I know will. IMHO, it will require border personnel to be stationed about every 1/4 mile with technology tools to be effective. That appears to be in the neighborhood of 6000 fulltime personnel. I think that is doable with volunteers. Maybe I am way off base but certainly it is going to take lots more than 200 additional agents.
As far as big media is concerned, all they care about is who is going to break the next big story. It would not surprise me to find out CBS is monitoring this website to do a story on this issue and try to mislead the gullable public about radicals. They don't care! They just want to report on the fight. They don't care if the country is going down the toilet, they just want to report it their way on their terms. GIVE THEM NO AMMO TO EXPLOIT US! Don't allow McCain/Kennedy to win on this issue. Public opinion is very important and trying to persuade it is just as important. WE NEED MIDDLE AMERICA TO GET UP TO SPEED ON THIS ISSUE ASAP. Bad publicity will not get us to where we need to go.
The best thing we can do is try to influence our elected politicians by contacting them, the media, and our fellow Americans in a non-violent manner as well as supporting the MinuteMan project. A big THANK YOU to the MinuteMen!
Heidi, BTW, your 'pilot' link on your website is great! For those of you who have not heard it, visit her website for a side trip. I think everyone here will enjoy it. It is great! Thanx for sharing it with us. :) Ask her about it if you cannot find it.
I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.
Barry Goldwater
:P DMAN1200, I understand how you feel, believe me. Remember in that post where I said sometimes we should try to laugh, or use sarcasm to ease our stress, help us through some of the rough times?? Well, I had to chuckle to myself when I read your reply!! I could tell you were really aggravated with my way of thinking!! So, I'm here to confess something, that may explain somewhat why I probably opt for more patience, OK?
My avatar, (those planes) probably make it seem like I'm a former combat pilot or something. But I'm not even a guy...I'm a woman!!!
My teenagers helped me pick that avatar because I told them I wanted a powerful avatar, that would help express how I feel about illegal immigration. My husband is the guy in the family, and he is behind us all the way. Unfortunately, (maybe I should say, fortunately, because he has a pretty good job, I know there are Americans needing jobs....but the jobs have gone across the oceans). Anyway, I am busy working on this on behalf of our entire family, and quite honestly for all Legal Citizens of the United States.
But anyway, I had a feeling with that avatar, that everyone thinks I'm a guy. Now, I do still stand by what I think is best at this point. Hard as it is, I think everything we do must be very thought out and the consequences have to be weighed. But, yes, all of you guys, how you feel, is very much the way I feel too.
I hope that can give you at least a hint of a smile tonight, as I know we are all gravely concerned about where this is heading. That's probably another reason why that picture of the police officer with his stick standing there had an effect on me. I realized that before it's all said and done, I may be having to stare eye to eye with someone like that, and he didn't look like the friendliest guy around. (he's probably right with us on this, if the truth were known). But anyway, I'm not going to say that I'm not somewhat afraid and scared about things. I am. But I'm going to get over that real fast, because I'm not going to stand by while our country is sold out. This country BELONGS to the Legal Citizens who have fought for it, sacrificed for it, built it, and yes to the new Legal Citizens, who have waited patiently for official permission to enter and live here. This is our country and our present government needs to get a grip on understanding the fact that they are employed by us, we put them where they are, and we can remove them, just as easily as we put them there. They are very disconnected from reality on this fact, and it's our own fault. The American people MUST wake up, and or get over their fears about speaking out, and taking action, or they're going to wake up one day to find a very different country, who knows maybe with a new name!!
Didn't Dr. MLK Jr. MO teach us anything back in the 60's? Others can be baited for violence, but I'll not take the bait.
Read these action plans and article excerpts (against the Minutemen speaking engagements) ---and then I urge you to report these two groups ---which obviously had a plan to intimidate and disrupt both Minutemen appearances as evidenced by their own webpage statements--- to anyone and everyone you can think of. Police, Mayor’s, city managers, state reps, anyone. Because if this were the Minutemen group, or Terry Anderson, or ‘Save Our State’, I believe they would be jailed right now for these preplanned and carried out “calls to action�. This was premeditated with the intent to intimidate and create havoc, if not physical harm to the Minutemen supporters.
On a positive note, as long as the American public is made aware of this, these invaders of the scummiest kind will shoot themselves in the foot. They are revealing their true colorsâ€â€
I've read and seen enough to know that our President, Mr. Bush, does not care one little bit about what illegal immigration is doing to our country! I guess if you are a rich man, living in an upscale neighborhood, profiting from the hiring of illegal immigrants, you don't have a reason to care about what is happening to the rest of us, "lower class" people. It's ok by Bush if the illegal immigrant gang members are moving in next door to us, destroying our way of life, raping and murdering. It's ok if we are paying taxes to support "anchor babies" and their illegal parents, while laid off Americans can't even get food stamps or other assistance from our DSS without giving up everything we worked for all our lives! It's ok with Mr. Bush if illegal immigrants draw checks from our Social Security while we face retirement without the benefit of our SS check! I am so mad about all this, I am FURIOUS!!! If there's another Civil War coming, sign me up, guys! I am ready to fight for my children and grandchildren, to try to preserve the way of life we have worked so hard to achieve. It's time for the ignorant people to open their eyes, you know, the ones who say..."Oh, they are so pitiful, the illegal immigrants. They just come here to work hard and find a way to support their families" BS, BS, BS! They want to take over and that is plain as day. Well, this is one Rebel who won't back down and I aim to keep fighting as long as I am here to do it!
I'm with you, my friends, let's stop this mess before it gets any worse! Rebellady1964
:) Thank you, Straightshooter, and I agree, 200 agents is an absolute joke. NO WAY. We will need many more, and what it will cost is what it will cost. With all the money saved from the expense of illegal aliens, it will pay for itself. (Maybe not, I'm not a financial expert especially at the government level), but none the less, it must be done. (Actually when you add in education costs, health care costs, and all of it...I will stand by what I said, it will pay for itself).
As far as Hillary, wow....if I end up voting for her.....it will mean George Bush did a disasterous job. Personally, I think the Democrats are watching this all play out, not encouraging GB to do anything, because they know the worse he handles immigration, the better and easier it will be for them in 2008, which I think is pretty much your opinion too. How or why the Republicans can't see this, when we can so clearly, is beyond me. Maybe we should check up on their education records. There does seem to be a lot lacking on their ability to see things as they really are.
On to President Bush. This guy makes me crazy. I thought he was so interested in our security, always talking about it, indicating it during the campaign. I really fell for him, hook, line and sinker. I swear like a fool, I guess, I believed every word he said. Maybe that's why I feel such contempt for him now. I agree with you, that he could make a last ditch effort to restore his tainted reputation with the American people, but time is running short. EVERYBODY, seems to be beyond disappointed with him.
It's as though he's running the country as if it was his own private business. We hardly even know what he's doing, let alone what he plans to do. I've said it before, I bet he'd have succeeded with social security, if he had dealt with the borders, illegal immigration first and properly. He would have had the confidence and trust of the people. His way just isn't working. The way he has run from the American people on the issue of illegal immigration is mind boggling. He has taken terrible advantage of the American people in my opinion, and worse, in a sneaky way. He knows we are against his plans for this country, so instead of adjusting or changing them closer to what is acceptable to us, he just keeps moving his agenda along underneath the table. Who does he think he is? So what if he's the President! He doesn't have these self made rights to do whatever it is he wants with a country. I could write ten pages wishing he could somehow read it and "see the light", and become a good, maybe even great (HA!) President. But, I think he's hopeless. Whenever I write the truth about what I think about President Bush, I always feel slightly endangered. Is everyone totally sure, we still have Freedom of Speech?
Is it fully enforced, or have some new adjustments been made on it. Maybe it's like Immigration Laws, there, but not really.
Last, but not least, I hope that proper security will be provided in Las Vegas this week end. We will all be watching closely. Maybe tomorrow we will send troops to the border.
To LegalUSCitizen and Straightshooter:
I apologize for being harsh. I am not mad at either of you two. I'm extremely mad about what took place with the Minutemen and the incident at Baldwin Park. I'm angry at the whole illegal alien thing altogether. I did not mean to take it out on either of you two. Please forgive me! I should not direct my anger at those who are on my side and trying to fix this mess. Please do not take what I said personally. It's not you guys I'm angry at.
I stand by what I said that I think we are heading into a civil war in the near future. Actions like what happened recently with those protests is just examples of what I said. I hope nobody thinks that I'm advocating starting a civil war because believe me that's the last thing I want. I'm just trying to say be prepared for the worst and I think it's yet to come. I hope I'm wrong. I'm human and I can't predict the future, but I just see patterns and judging from history I think that's where we are heading. I think we will eventually be pushed into one because of the illegal aliens and the governments inactions. I pray I'm wrong.
So I'm NOT saying go out and start trouble. I just want people to be clear on that.
If I offended anyone with my outburst, please accept my humble apologizes and I'll try to direct my anger at those who need it directed toward.
You all are doing a great job. When I say Americans should wake up and stop being sheeple, I in no way mean anyone here who is active in trying to stop this madness. I mean for the ones who aren't active or are brainwashed.
I'm honored to be on your guys side, I mean that.
Ok I'm going to bed, tomorrows a new day. I'll see you all tomorrow. :D
The leftists are obviously getting desperate. Their attempts to win by silencing opponents who have the facts on their side by derogatory slurs are no longer working.
So, what do they do? Scream their hatred even louder.
The one thing the incident in Garden Grove shows is that the thugs are desperate, they know they are losing, and they are flailing around in desperation trying to salvage victory in a losing battle.
The only thing I worry about is that in their desperation they may resort to even more violent actions than they have engaged in up to now.
"President Bush, get onboard now or get left at the station. This train is pulling out."
Anyone who thinks Bush can redeemed by this point needs to get a grip.
Bush is the enemy, every bit as much as the left wing illegal alien advocates are.
It is quite comical that the leftists at the Garden Grove meeting says "even George W. Bush agrees with us"
Well of course he does, lefties, because HE IS ONE OF YOU!
To the left wingers, I say: George W. Bush is your man, not ours. We think he stinks to high heaven.
So do most Americans. And most Americans also think that it is time to take a hard line on illegal immigration.
Bring it on!
:wink: DMAN1200, Don't worry one bit. If that was you being mean, I'd say you're very nice when you're mean!! Besides, you are not mean, you are worried about everything, another word would be "stressed out" about it all. The fact that you're stressed out about your country at this time, would clearly indicate to me that you are a very stable and intelligent person.
It's too late tonight for us to get the troops to the border, but tomorrow is a new day! By George, we'll do it!!! (Hey, I just came up with that..."By George, we'll do it"!!!!) I'm going to make that my new saying. "By GEORGE, (ie, Jorge), we'll do it!!!! God Bless America...God forgive me for calling GWB "Jorge", especially if Freedom of Speech might have ended today....who knows around here...which laws are operating and which ones have been cancelled.
No need to hunt for it, here it is: Now THAT'S my kind of pilot!Quote:
Originally Posted by StraightShooter
Glad you enjoyed it! :D
LegalUSCitizen writes:
The point here is, WE HAVE TO STAY PEACEFUL AND WITHIN THE LAW in order to win this battle. If we don't we are going to lose, and basically we all know why.
My reply:
Point one: I am not advocating violence (yet). Bearing that in mind, and in direct reference to your statement of “If we don't we are going to lose, and basically we all know why.�
No I do not know that, nor do I know why. Kindly explain that to me.
LegalUSCitizen also writes:
Anyway, our side really needs to stay solidly firm on our stand to peacefully get our government to hear us!!! Seriously, we will not succeed otherwise.
My reply:
That is your opinion, and the opinion of this forums moderators. And you are entitled to your opinion. But I agree with Dman. This may very well get bloody. Do you know any recent vets? I do. They are not happy. In the few years they have been in Afghanistan there home towns have changed. They have come back to see their communities invaded, foreign flags flying over the land of the free and the home of the brave, and for some of them their construction jobs are permanently gone, for they have been replaced by crews of illegal dry wall hangers and framers…and I tell you these guys are not real happy. So far, they are glad to be home…they are optimistic at first, because of all they have been away from, but they see the difference and I can see the anger building. These guys went away to fight to save our country and while they were away chasing a ghost enemy someone gave their country away.
Dman writes:
We are fighting with one hand tied behind our backs. The invaders can get away with murder while we have to play Mr Nice guy and even that gets us in trouble.
My reply:
I have a gun shot wound and several knife wounds from the people we are discussing. I was standing my ground peacefully when it occurred; in fact I was literally walking in the park. Frankly I do not think most of “you people� have a bloody clue what you are dealing with here. The illegal of today is not the illegal of yesterday. And frankly a lot of the legals are not all that wonderful either.
Dman writes:
We can continue to play pattycake, but the invaders are not playing by the same set of rules. The government doesn't even make a minor attempt to deport those that freely assemble like they did at Baldwin Park. If our government would do their jobs then this crap would not even be happening right now. We are losing our rights everyday while the invaders continue to gain more rights over us.
My reply:
Go Dman…Dman for Congress!!!!
Dman writes:
Lets continue to do what we are doing, but I will be damned if these cowards will take our country without firing a shot.
My reply:
Well by now I know you are getting to know some of “my crew�…they are some of the baddest “mo-fos� you’ll ever run across. Most of them served more than one tour of duty. And if you think they or I am going to go peacefully in the night and let a hoard of invaders rob my children and grand children of their rightful legacy without a fight you have another thing coming. I do not prefer violence nor do I advocate it. But at some point if the Government will not follow the rule of law the citizens may have to resort to extraordinary measures to strike the proper balance.
Dman writes:
Just shows you how pathetic and weak this country has become. How did we allow this to happen? I'm ashamed and embarrassed for this country if no one else is.
My reply:
As am I. I cannot believe this is the same country my father, brothers fought for. When I see gutless traitors like McCain I just get sick.
StraightShooter writes:
I know most everyone would love to wave a magic wand or something else and drive those illegals back to where they come from but......that is not going to happen by non-law enforcement personnel.
My reply:
Oh come now. Bear in mind I am not advocating this but please, one man could shut the border down overnight with a couple of well placed head shots – period. Think about it. Once again I am not advocating it, but to act like we are all defenseless is just plain ridiculous. And the Government needs to understand that. I have mentioned this before. All this fancy-pantsing around simply amounts to negotiating the terms of your surrender. The amnesty is on the way, simply because McCain and Kennedy view this country as so devoid of testicular fortitude that you will settle for the scraps they throw you from the surrender table.
One thing I teach my students is that talking your way out of situation should be done because you have the option, not because it is your only option. Negotiation is better from a position of strength.
Right now I am of the mindset to “talk� and give the peace-doves their chance, but trust me beneath this fluffy down of this peace dove is an good ol’ American eagle dying to get out and dig it talons into something. And I am not alone.
StraightShooter writes:
Do you really think middle America will continue to support the giving away of the US away when they finally know the issues and know what is at stake?
My reply:
Yes, how else do you explain the last 5 presidential elections? Middle America is too obsessed with baseball, football, soccer and SUVs…if you don’t believe me check out the state of the educational system in the middle American’s schools…these are their children for gosh sakes, and judging by the schools they simply do not care…
LegalUSCitizen writes:
So, GOD, IT IS IMPERATIVE that we NOT do ANYTHING outside of the law. I hate to say this, even if something is thrown at us or done to us, WE MUST PUT IT IN THE HANDS OF THE LAW.
My reply:
I agree with what you are saying but I also must point out you have the right to defend yourself. I have a gunshot wound and knife wounds that prove that line of reasoning holds up very well in a court of law. And I did not need any Government to solve the problem for me. There are two sides to this issue. It is one thing to try and resolve things peacefully, but you need to realize you are dealing with a machismo culture. If you want to be a female dog for an illegal alien go right ahead, but I am no ones female dog.
It was written:
And we're going to do it for EVERY LEGAL AMERICAN CITIZEN, REGARDLESS OF NATIONAL ORIGIN, SKIN COLOR, RELIGIOUS PREFERENCE, OR ANY OTHER THING.
My reply:
You do that. Personally I am a bit more selective. Frankly I would not urinate on John McCain or Ted Kennedy if they were on fire. But then that is me…you are obviously one of those tolerant types.
At any rate, we all want essentially the same thing, it is just people like Dman and me have a little more testosterone than most. Don’t worry though I’d probably save your butt even if you don’t have sense enough to do it yourself ; )
All the best,
Patriotman
Name, what is best in life?
To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women. - Conan the Barbarian - 1982
Yes, Bush was very concerned about the security of our country and the safety of its citizens. So much so that he hurriedly got a bunch of legislation passed ( Patriot Act) that allows invasion of our privacy and so many other insults to our freedom that it makes my ears ring.
Yes, I've believed for long now that blood will flow in our streets if the government does not do something and do it fast.
There are those calling us rascist and xenophobes and other interesting names. I call us patriots. The names I would hurl back at them are Anarchists, Fascists, Invaders, Looters.
RR
To dman1200, apology more than accepted! You were right on target on your Fri May 27, 2005 9:56 am post. We can spar in a vigorous way here on this site with no bloodletting. I wouldn't have it any other way. I'm tired of all those politically correct terms myself and stepping around the problem all the time.
I think we must continue to work with William who is trying to work within the system in Vegas now which will allow us to eventually accomplish the final goal. It will not be done overnight so some patience will be required. We don't need to prove the vigilantly charge to be true. CBS is dying to prove it to be true to those still asleep on this issue. WE are the victims here, don't let them turn it around on us. A united front will get us there. Remember the early 60’s?
To LegalUSCitizen, love your posts! Yes, I agree Bush really needs to get a grip real soon. I don't know how someone can push for 9/11 objectives and leave the border open for just anyone to waltz right on thru? That is an invitation. I wonder myself if he has an under-the-table agreement with Fox? IF he does, he better be showing us what that agreement is and show us real soon he wants secure borders. Most of us are dumb founded by what we have and have not seen so far.
Patriotman says,
"Middle America is too obsessed with baseball, football, soccer and SUVs…if you don’t believe me check out the state of the educational system in the middle American’s schools…these are their children for gosh sakes, and judging by the schools they simply do not care… "
I couldn't agree with you more! They're asleep! Our schools and the things they are being taught are a disgrace. I have pretty much give up on our public school systems. The only hope I see is non-public schooling and home schooling with the same end of grade testing to ensure they are getting it. If not, some home schooling could be not up to snuff in some cases. Middle America’s obsession with SUVs I hope is an anomaly. While the rest of the world is going to more fuel efficient methods of travel, many here in the US are driving these monsters when most don't really need them. But this is America and if that is what they want to drive, that is their privilege. The pendulum is now swinging back the other way finally.
Heidi, thanx for posting your 'pilot' link. ;-) Got any more good ones?
Take just a second a go vote
Left hand column: Go Vote
http://www.klas-tv.com/
Do you think the Minutemen volunteers patrolling the US-Mexico border do more to help or hinder the U.S. Border Patrol?
Thank you for participating in our poll. Here are the results so far.
Do more to help 67%
Do more to hinder 18%
Don't know 12%
Don't care 3%
Charlesoakisland, thanx for the voting link.
Updated now to:
Do more to help 68%
Do more to hinder 17%
Don't know 12%
Don't care 3%
Thanx again! The 'don't cares' really bother me. But maybe they will get there someday.......
StraightShooter,
I've got to be gone playing with the tourist (closely related to terrorist) on the beach most of the day. If you get a chance re-cycle that poll so others will get to vote today.
thanks.
Charlesoakisland, now play nice with them tourists. You want them to come back don't ya? ;-)
I'll see what I can do. I can't be here all day either. Have fun!
PS: If you see the Gov. down there, give him a piece of your mind! LOL
I don't think he is onboard yet either.
I'll be on a very large ATV, I'll see what I can do ,hahahaha, :wink: were off to see the wizard :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by StraightShooter
[quote="StraightShooter"]LegalUSCitizen, good post.
In a follow up to my earlier posts, I again say Bush will make an attempt to close the border to save face in light of recent history. Illegals have been coming across the border for decades. It did not start during his watch. Bush will be forced to act soon or...
:evil: An attempt?!? Does Bush need a special invitation to uphold the laws of our country? Save face? He has lost his honor. He has sold his soul for greed.
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Those 200 extra border agents will not be able to do the job either. Lets say for illustrative purposes the border is 1500 miles long. Lets make a guesstimate there are 1000 border agents there already.
:evil: Why not? Fixing and reinforcing our fences would be a start. If we can secure the border between war-torn Iraq and Syria, and claim victory over doing so, why cant we do that here?
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As far as big media is concerned, all they care about is who is going to break the next big story. It would not surprise me to find out CBS is monitoring this website to do a story on this issue and try to mislead the gullable public about radicals. They don't care!
:evil: The media is biased! Look at all the hispanic news reporters covering immmigration. Don't you get the picture that this is all one-way news?
Quote:
The best thing we can do is try to influence our elected politicians by contacting them, the media, and our fellow Americans in a non-violent manner as well as supporting the MinuteMan project. A big THANK YOU to the MinuteMen!
:evil: This is what we have been doing all along. So much seems to fall on deaf ears. This issue is hot, and people are enraged!
Nothing against what you straightshooter, I'm just venting, like everyone else. 8)
Patriotman wrote:
I was reading some of those messages on that site this morning and replied to a couple. I love that group. I'm definitely going to have to recommend that group to my buddy in Detroit.Quote:
Well by now I know you are getting to know some of “my crew�…they are some of the baddest “mo-fos� you’ll ever run across. Most of them served more than one tour of duty. And if you think they or I am going to go peacefully in the night and let a hoard of invaders rob my children and grand children of their rightful legacy without a fight you have another thing coming. I do not prefer violence nor do I advocate it. But at some point if the Government will not follow the rule of law the citizens may have to resort to extraordinary measures to strike the proper balance.
I think once I get out of the military you and I should start up a bounty hunter group that exclusively goes after illegal aliens of all types. Round them up and send them packing. Yee Haw! :D
PATRIOTMAN wrote
For what it's worth, there are many more of "you" out there. Both male & female have the same feelings & thoughts. YOU are not alone, Pman. And for that, I'm grateful!Quote:
Right now I am of the mindset to “talk� and give the peace-doves their chance, but trust me beneath this fluffy down of this peace dove is an good ol’ American eagle dying to get out and dig it talons into something. And I am not alone.
Butterbean, I know.........what you are saying......
One thing someone CANNOT say about this website and group is that we are -------->complacent, asleep, don't care, and not concerned about this country.
We need to be reaching out to others who are not onboard yet and share our concerns on this issue. Get them involved.
Has everyone gone to Charlesoakisland voting link concerning the MinuteMen and voted? A Vegas TV station is conducting the poll. William would love your input for the poll especially while he is there doing business.
Whenever you fill up your gas tank, you're going to an Al Qaeda & Hugo Chavez fundraiser.
Surprising article from La Opinion
The illegal immigration advocates at La Opinion ran a wire service story. And a wire service story with lots of quotes from the cops?
Very strange.
I voted on that poll about the MMP.
BTW to the last poster. La Opinion is an invasion lover rag. Don't take what they say seriously. Consider the source is what I say.
Yeah, that's why I mentioned that they are "illegal immigration advocates".Quote:
Originally Posted by dman1200
Don't knock La Opinion!
They are almost always good for a hearty laugh. Their letters page is Comedy Gold.
And you can read about Chivas USA being in last place.
Dman writes:
My reply:Quote:
I was reading some of those messages on that site this morning and replied to a couple. I love that group. I'm definitely going to have to recommend that group to my buddy in Detroit.
I think once I get out of the military you and I should start up a bounty hunter group that exclusively goes after illegal aliens of all types. Round them up and send them packing. Yee Haw!
Have you ever seen the movie Mariachi man? Banderas' friends remind me of my own - LOL!!!
All the best my brother...
Patriotman
P.S. Dman - make sure you vote on the disposition of Jane Fonda in the poll section - LOL!!!!
:) Welcome! A+!Quote:
Originally Posted by rebellady1964
Regarding the comments about the LA Times article: There was an article in the Times today (Orange County section) that was much more evenhanded than the one yesterday.
(in other words, it made the leftist demostrators look to be the bad guys, which they were)
I would just exhort anyone who wants to get involved in immigration reform to keep in mind:
Illegal aliens are not the enemy. They may share a small part of the blame, but the real evildoers are the politicians, religious left, and most of all, the greedy corporate interests that couldn't care less if this country disintegrates due to their actions if they can make an extra buck off it.
Those are the ones that you should direct your anger toward.
And also keep in mind: The leftist violence is putting the open borders side in an incredibly bad light. We need to maintain the moral high ground, because besides being the right thing to do, it is one of our biggest assets that will help us ultimately achieve victory.
In regards to the issue of violence; Make no mistake, anybody who takes part in these public demonstrations (Baldwin Park, etc) is putting themselves in the middle of a potential street fight. That said, I'm hoping cooler heads prevail. Shots of these Mexicans burning American flags, throwing bottles at little old ladies, cursing with racial epitats, etc. will be THEIR un-doing. You watch. Lets not get suckered into playing their game.
I know everybody is frustrated and impatient. I sure as hell am. But don't forget how far we've come and how quickly. How many of you were even involved with this issue just 5 years ago? And now look, more of us every day. You can sense the American people coming to their senses and jumping on our bandwagon. Lets give them a chance.
I can understand the calls to violence. The cries that "the system is broke." But keep in mind, just a few years back in 1996 California citizens put together Proposition 187 to deny welfare benefits to illegals. It won overwhelmingly, 60 to 40. But dont' forget: 40% of the California citizens not only didn't want to deport these illegals, but wanted to give them welfare benefits. to boot.
The point is: There are a lot of people on the OTHER side of this issue, too. They have their rights, too. We anti-illegal immigrant crusaders don't have the right to just wave our hands and have our will imposed on the land. America don't work that way. but we ARE winning the battle for the hearts and minds. The point is, we have to be patient and allow the system to work.
On the other hand, if ten years from now, the 80% of us who want these illegals to get out and stay out, are STILL not having our voices heard, well then, I might be of a very different mind then. But thats where I'm at. ANd everyone on this forum has a right to draw that line where they see fit.
Hey, did you guys see this one?
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/n ... 59,00.html
And I thought I'd seen it all .......
Oh man, that Rocky Mountain News article is funny. The poor employer is "heartbroken" that he's going to have to fire his illegal immigrant employees -- "sob" "choke" --- and -- "gasp" -- actually hire American citzens at decent wages -- "WAHHHH!" "boo hoo!"
Bring out the violins.