I am thinking that there are probably alot. Sad but true!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SOSADFORUS
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I am thinking that there are probably alot. Sad but true!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SOSADFORUS
I read on here that the plates on the van she was driving were stolen.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhredE
Maybe this will convince citizens NOT to be a sanctuary city that is inviting these criminals into their community. Hopefully the price of these four children dying will change the status. Living in GA we had tons of them working for the hotels and doing landscape work. The Cloister in particular hired them. This was the location of the Big 8 several years ago. It got so bad I was unable to leave my house after 4 PM or on weekends because it felt I was living in Mexico. GA has now passed laws and the criminals are leaving. Hopefully MN will also pass laws. Its obvious the current administration will do NOTHING to protect us from the invasion. The top 3 presidential candidates will only make the situation worse since they all support amnesty for the 20-30 million here and that will bring millions more. Take a stand in your community to stop these IAs. Get involved or we won't have a country. Refuse to do business with companies that have signs in spanish. Refuse to speak to telemarketers from overseas by saying you can't understand their english. Take back our country, our jobs, our pride.
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A heard from the MinuteMens site:
http://www.minutemanhq.com/state/read.p ... MN&sid=768
I heard about this tragedy from an email sent by the San Diego Minutemen. If it weren't for them, I would not have heard about it and I certainly would not have known it was an illegal alien driver who ran full speed through a stop sign that caused the accident. I immediately forwarded the email to friends and family emphatically pointing out that this did not need to happen! Do people get it?
I'm glad that there are others who are as outraged as I am. Had the border been secure and our laws enforced, those four innocent children would be alive today. I especially cannot fathom the grief for the parents who lost TWO children!
The blood of those four kids is on the hands of Bush, Chertoff, and the city council that decided to have Minneapolis be a sanctuary city. She should have been deported when stopped for having no license. THIS HAS TO STOP!
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Originally Posted by PhredE
You're welcome. Living in the area, there is more coverage. It's apparent the national media is choosing to be ignorant once more. :(
djlavin (and other newer folks here) - Hey, thanks for the help!
Please don't be such a stranger here. We can use all the help we can get :D
I first heard of this terrible crash on Fox News the day it happened. About 3 hours later I heard that it was an ILLEGAL ALIEN driving the Van but had to wait until the next day to get the full story.
Since then I've read it on the internet but not seen it in any Mail Stream News.
If they keep killing us off they won't have to worry about us deporting them ( as if they have to worry about it now.)
I wish I could join in more often as I am VERY passionate about the issue of Illegal Immigration. I have watched Southern California deteriorate before my eyes over the past 55 years. Makes me sick. I will try to visit more often, but current work schedule is pretty grueling! Thanks for your support.
Lets stampede MN and try and stop the next accident...we need our immigration laws enforced...NOW!!
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The first admendment of the constitution gives us the right of free speach.
nothing in there says that speach has to be the truth. The news media has for the longest time manipulated the minds of the people by telling them only the parts of the story they want you to know. They claim the rest is not important. Perhaps if we started sending flame mail to the editors who allow these half truths to be put out and then called those who advertise with these liars and complained we might see the rest of the story. I truly feel sorry for the families of these kids, but the sad fact is hundreds of people are killed in this country every day by Illegal immigrants, you should not be upset by the half truths of the media, you should be scared to death by the lies and outright ommisions.
It hurts so much to look at these beautiful faces and know that their lifes were taken away by an illegal alien who had NO RIGHT to be in our country.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhredE
May God bless their family, friends, and everyone else affected by the loss of these children. :(
Very sad day indeed! It sure chokes you up and makes you so damn mad at the same time! :evil:
My feelings exactly sosad. As a parent this just really gets to me obviously. I will carry on for the sake of my children and the families of these beautiful children.
Our Government for whatever reason does not care that we have 20 million illegals running around in this country, they do not care that 12 Americans are killed daily by them, they are not concerned that taxpayers are paying billions every year to let them stay here, Why because it does not affect them. They are so high up that the only contact they have with illegals is if they hire them to do some job and pay them under the table. I heard about this "accident" on Fox news Fox also said that this sleeze bag was drunk, I only heard that once so I cannot confirm, However if you want the news and you want the truth you have to watch Fox. WE have to let our government officals know in no uncertian terms that we have had enough, We want the boarder closed, laws enforced and no work for illegals. No nothing for illegals and no more anchor babies. This is rediculous that we are allowing people to just walk into our country and start demanding that we suppport them. Time for a wake up call to Washington, and if that is a hugh demenstration then so be it. Enough is enough this is our country and we should say who gets to come here and who must go.
Irembr911: Hey, I hear you. "It just ain't right" (but we definitely are working to rectify things :D :wink:)
tinybob and SOSAD (and anyone else that may be curioius) - one thing that I don't think was touched upon much - if at all - was that the girl was an adopted baby from China. In an interview with one of her parents (I had watched an online version of a local news report)... I believe the father went to great lengths to say something to the effect 'we had to file all this paperwork with CIS, had to cover all those fees, etc.... and raised her from 2-3 years old...' It was a real tear-jerker. Ironic and very, very sad.
If I find that one, I'll put a link back up here.
I sure hope that there enough smart people in this country to overturn the stupid decisions that our government is making for us. It's time for us to tell them how it's going to be instead of sitting back complaining about everthing. We have a voice thanks to the internet and we need to use it to the fullest.
SOURCE: The Associated Press
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Prosecutors filed the same federal charges against her live-in boyfriend, Francisco Sangabriel-Mendoza, 29, also of Minneota, who prosecutors say was the registered owner of the van. A warrant was issued for his arrest, and authorities asked anyone who knows his whereabouts to call the Immigration and Customs Enforcement toll free hot line at 1-866-347-2423.
Franco’s attorney, Manuel Guerrero of St. Paul, declined comment on the new charges, saying he hadn’t seen them. Franco did not immediately return a message left at the Lyon County Jail in Marshall.
Both of Franco and Sangabriel-Mendoza face maximum potential penalties of five years in prison on each false representation count and two years on each identity theft count.
Right after the crash, Franco identified herself as Alianiss Nunez-Morales. But immigration investigators found the real Nunez-Morales in Connecticut. She told them her purse and identification documents were stolen more than six months ago when she was living in Puerto Rico, according to an ICE affidavit.
The affidavit alleges Franco used Nunez-Morales’ Social Security number to obtain a Minnesota identification card, an ID that is not a driver’s license. Franco allegedly was not licensed to drive in Minnesota. She also allegedly gave the Social Security number at two Minnesota companies where she worked.
http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dl ... S/80229051
All I can say is maybe this might open up one or two more eyes about these hard working honest people.
It will confirm to our decent, upright, law-abiding, intelligent leaders such as Jeff Sessions what they already know.Quote:
All I can say is maybe this might open up one or two more eyes about these hard working honest people.
But the indecent, low-down, lawless, and stupid elected officials will not even pay any attention to it.
Pitiful. These children's lives are lost and it didn't have to happen if our elected officials would simply do their jobs, uphold the laws in our country and get it through their thick heads and big egos that they are being paid by the American people to do so.
I live in a sanctuary city in North Carolina and behaviour like this has happened several times in the last few months; one where an illegal that has a record was driving drunk, without a license, heading the wrong way on an interstate. As you can imagine, this resulted in disaster!
This event involving the school bus has now set it at a higher level. Hillary and Obama talk about how they wish to take care of the children with Health Insurance; maybe they need to look at this event and closer at themselves to see if they are really protecting children.
It is evident that in November we will have a president that is not as strict on immigration as we would like. This means that we need to push our congressman over and over to get our president to change policy for the LEGAL citizens of the United States.
What is happening to our country?!
Hey, eyost. Welcome. :D
I'm afraid it's going to take something like the MN bus crash to get the NC Legislature to take a hard stand against the problem we have here. :(
Thankfully, many county sheriffs are using or have applied for 287g.
CONTACT the MINNESOTA governor and asked him how come he has not come out and said anything in regard to the bus accident in his state and why when he was a staunch supporter of law enforcement against illegals has now not said anything since the accident.
Chris Simcox on his minuteman radio show says he thinks the head of the republican party might have told the Minnesota governor to shut up because the national convention is in the Minneapolis St Paul twin cities and he also thinks that they made him shut up to possibly keep his chances at getting the VP nomination. Chris also said that by talking about this, the governor would be making the Republican nominee McCain look bad.
To contact Governor Tim Pawlenty and Lt. Governor Carol Molnau, please write, phone, fax or e-mail.
Mailing Address:
Office of the Governor
130 State Capitol
75 Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd.
St. Paul, MN 55155
Other ways to reach our office:
Telephone: (651) 296-3391
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E-mail: tim.pawlenty@state.mn.us
:cry: This woman will probably not even do time in this country, but she may be deported. Then she'll come back with another name and cause some more horror. My husband said he heard that she is from Guatamala. He listens to talk radio, and I think that's where he heard the story. My sister's husband also listens to talk radio, and she too knew about the illegal status of the killer driver. Minnesota liberals bought this one. As you said, "When will they learn?". Maybe they won't, but hopefully they will. This alien is a despicable person, who was alegedly stopped by police some time back, and was using a fake drivers' license. Why was she still in the country? SANCTUARY!!! Santuary for her, and death for our children. God help us!
This woman should get life in prison. Her boyfriend, for letting her drive, should do a lot of time too. In this case, I do not want to see her deported, just life in prison.
I look at my kids, my 3 year old grandson, my nieces and nephews pictures and am so thankful that a tragedy has not happened to any of them, or us, in this way, but also knowing that it could at any time, this is my reason for being here.
PhredE, that story, about the adopted girl, this is so sad, that her parents went to extraordinary lengths to bring her here with them, all the time abiding by the laws, and to have her young life ended by one who went against every law we have to be here. I can only hope, through this, that either her parents, or our society will pick this one up and use it as an example of how damaging illegal immigration is to America and Americans.
I'm afraid that incidents like this one is what it will take for people to recognize the need to enforce immigration laws. If our federal govt. refuses to enforce our laws, then our individual states will do the job. Americans should remember those politicians who ignore our immigration laws & declare "sanctuary cities" at election time. Hit them where it hurts: take away their cushy jobs with all those perks! Only then will they get the message, loud & clear. Enforce our laws & secure our borders or take a hike!
My spirit is so grieved within me.
Editorial: Another approach for unlicensed drivers
3/4/2008 8:15:38 AM
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The fact that a 23-year-old Minnesota man has received 68 citations for driving without a valid license is a pretty good hint that there's a problem. Add in another 500 people who have 14 or more citations and one might accurately conclude that there's an epidemic of unlicensed driving going on statewide.
It's not a new problem, but it's under increased scrutiny after an unlicensed driver with a previous citation for driving without a license allegedly ran a stop sign and struck a school bus in southwestern Minnesota, killing four children.
The knee-jerk reaction is to say, "Make the penalties stiffer." The typical citation includes a $180 fine -- barely more than the average speeding ticket. Although jail time is possible, it's relatively infrequent.
Would doubling or tripling the fines make offenders think twice before they got behind the wheel again?
Olmsted County Sheriff Steve Borchardt doesn't think so.
"Very often, these are folks who can't pay the fines anyway," he said. "It's a real conundrum. People get their license taken away, and they don't have a lot of money. They need to work, and they need to drive. While they're driving, they get pinched for all number of little things, and, every time, they lose their license for longer. You get a really vicious cycle that's tough to get out of."
Borchardt said that some areas of Minnesota have opted for a less-punitive method of dealing with this problem, by trying to find a "short-form way" to get people back on the road legally as soon as possible. Usually there's some sort of educational component involved, so that offenders will be better drivers the next time they get behind the wheel.
The jury still appears to be out on the effectiveness of this system, and such programs would do little to solve the problem of illegal immigrants who drive without a license or insurance. They're off the grid, are not trained in our traffic laws and have little to lose when they get behind the wheel.
"It's a frustrating topic for everyone in the whole system," Borchardt said.
Clearly a line can be drawn. Some states have experimented with progressive penalties, and if a five-time offender's vehicle were impounded for six months or even permanently confiscated, perhaps the message would get through.
http://www.postbulletin.com/newsmanager ... 2&a=331409
Immigration: A hot issue at the capitol
The topic of immigration is sure to be a hot issue throughout the legislative session, especially after the school bus crash that killed four children in southwestern Minnesota two weeks ago.
A debate over immigration enforcement came up during discussion of the tax bill. It’s an emotional issue that always seems to be percolating just beneath the surface at the Minnesota capitol and across the country.
It was only a matter of time before the Cottonwood school bus crash that killed four students would be the target of legislation.
"This is a particularly hot issue in the State of Minnesota right now," said House Minority Leader Marty Seifert.
It’s not school bus safety legislation, but a question of what to do about illegal immigration.
"It’s absolutely wrong in the state of Minnesota to allow cities to look the other way in terms of law enforcement when it comes to harboring illegal immigration," Seifert told 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS.
A woman, who investigators have confirmed is an illegal immigrant, is in jail, accused of causing the deadly bus crash.
She has had problems with the police at least twice before but never had her immigration status thoroughly checked.
Seifert proposed withholding local government aid to any city that doesn’t routinely check immigration status.
"This is about the state of Minnesota second-guessing the wisdom of our law enforcement chiefs, interjecting themselves in the process of running a police department," said rep. Carlos Mariani, DFL-St. Paul.
The bill appeared primarily aimed at Minneapolis and St. Paul where immigration status is usually only checked in cases in which serious crimes have occurred.
"I'm just plain outraged at this political playing from people who have no problems with crime in their district, " said Rep. Joe Mullery, DFL-Minneapolis.
"You want to talk about outrage? You come down to southwestern Minnesota and the community of Cottonwood right now Representative Mullery and I'll show you outrage," said Seifert.
The amendment to the tax bill actually attracted a lot of DFL support from out-state Minnesota. However, it failed by one vote.
http://kstp.com/article/stories/S366260.shtml?cat=89
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The bill appeared primarily aimed at Minneapolis and St. Paul where immigration status is usually only checked in cases in which serious crimes have occurred.
"I'm just plain outraged at this political playing from people who have no problems with crime in their district, " said Rep. Joe Mullery, DFL-Minneapolis.
"You want to talk about outrage? You come down to southwestern Minnesota and the community of Cottonwood right now Representative Mullery and I'll show you outrage," said Seifert.
The amendment to the tax bill actually attracted a lot of DFL support from out-state Minnesota. However, it failed by one
What a SAD day :( :( folks!
It shows the sad state of MN as they continue to aid and abet. Mr. Mulllery obviously has his head up his rear-end. There are a number of major chain restaurants in the Twin Cities area as well as private ones that cater to the hiring of illegal aliens.
To the editor: Don’t wait for tragedy to bring God into schools
The Farmington Independent
Published Thursday, March 27, 2008
Don’t wait for tragedy to bring God into schools
To the editor,
As heartbreaking tragedies hit various schools and their communities I have noticed that God, prayer and spiritual discussions are welcomed into the schools with open arms. Up to that point of crisis, God, prayer and spiritual discussions seem to be pushed away.
The bus accident in Cottonwood, Minn. brought this pattern to my attention again. Wouldn’t it be better to have an on going relationship with God and include God in our schools at all times rather than only in times of crisis? God has wisdom and insightful principles that would be of help to us at all times of life, not just the tragic times.
Isaiah 55:6 Seek the Lord while He may be found; call upon Him while He is near. Psalm 32:6 Therefore, let everyone who is godly pray to You in a time when You may be found; surely in a flood of great waters they will not reach him.
I hope it will not take tragedies to get Farmington schools and government to open up to God and invite Him into their thought processes and discussions.
Marlo Pranke,
Farmington
http://www.farmingtonindependent.com/ar ... on=Opinion
03/26/2008
911 Transcripts In Cottonwood Crash Released
Courtesy: Marshall Independent
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It's ironic that on the day of a bus crash near Madison, Lyon County, Minnesota officials released the transcripts of the 911 calls reporting the deadly Cottonwood school bus crash.
Here's a look at what was first reported to dispatchers last month. An unidentified woman driving behind the bus was the first to call 911 to report the crash.
She told a 911 dispatcher: "A van ran into the bus and the bus tipped over."
Illegal immigrant Olga Franco is accused of running a stop sign and slamming into the Lakeview bus on Highway 23.
The dispatcher asks the woman who was following the bus whether anyone was crawling out of it.
She replied, "No, nobody's crawling out of the bus. Oh, now I see one," she said.
Another man who witnessed the accident also called 911 to report it.
The rest of the transcript reads like an OnStar commercial. James Hancock of Marshall had OnStar in his pickup, which the bus landed on top of. The OnStar operator told the 911 dispatcher:
"I think there's injuries cuz all I could hear was screaming in the vehicle."
The OnStar operator put Hancock on the line who says, " I, I'm hurt. I'm hurtin' all over."
Hancock reports that rescuers have arrived.
The 911 operator goes on to tell him,
"I have paged ambulances. I have paged fire departments and thank you very much for staying on the line with me, OK?"
Hancock was treated and released from Avera McKennan hospital in Sioux Falls. The crash killed four Lakeview students.
http://www.keloland.com/News/NewsDetail ... Id=0,67790
http://www.wctrib.com/articles/index.cf ... on=Opinion
Letter: Handcuffed by sanctuary law
Rick Chambers, Willmar, West Central Tribune
Published Monday, March 24, 2008
The recent tragic bus accident in Cottonwood should have served as a wakeup call to our legislators that action needs to be taken regarding identification and deportation of illegal immigrants in Minnesota. Reports after the accident indicated the woman who caused the crash was here illegally and had been stopped previously for driving without a license. Why she was not identified, detained and deported then we’ll never know.
This situation should have spotlighted so-called sanctuary clauses and ordinances which are an attempt to prevent local law enforcement agencies from cooperating with the federal government in the identification of illegal immigrants. Despite the fact that sanctuary laws violate the Immigration and Reform Act of 1996, the liberals of this state, especially in Minneapolis and St. Paul, think they can thumb their noses at the federal regulations.
During the past month the House of Representatives had two opportunities to rectify this situation. The first came when Rep. Marty Seifert moved to amend HF 3201. Seifert, who represents the Cottonwood area, proposed an amendment to withhold state aid to cities that have sanctuary ordinances. The amendment was defeated 66 to 67. All 67 nays where Democrats, including Rep. Al Juhnke. On March 13, a second effort was made by bringing HF 3010 to the floor for a vote. HF 3010 deals with making sanctuary ordinances in the state of Minnesota illegal. Again, the DFL, including Juhnke, tabled the bill, preventing discussion or vote.
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The intention of the DFL-controlled house is to let this bill die in committee. It looks like the DFL will play “duck and coverâ€
Mar 30, 2008 12:24 pm US/Cen
Bus Crash Suspect Wanted Better Life For Family
MARSHALL, Minn. (AP) ― Two years before the fatal school crash she's charged with causing, Olga Franco made a decision: She would leave her native Guatemala for the United States, seeking a better life for her family.
"Those of us who have never gone, we sometimes think life is easier there in the U.S.," Franco's father, Miguel Angel Franco-Ortiz, told the St. Paul Pioneer Press. "But those that go say it's hard."
For a story in Sunday's edition, the newspaper interviewed Franco's parents in Guatemala, as well as an aunt in Marshall and her attorney. Franco herself has not spoken with the media.
Franco, 24, is charged in Lyon Count District Court with four counts of criminal vehicular homicide in the Feb. 19 crash near Cottonwood, in which four students aged 9 to 13 were killed and 15 other people were injured. She is also facing federal identity theft charges. Her next court appearance is April 21.
Relatives recalled that everyone in Franco's hillside village in Guatemala cried the day she left. She promised her parents she would return home within three years with money for the family, who lived in a home made up of two bedrooms and a kitchen. Franco shared the space with her parents and an invalid uncle.
At 20, Franco -- barely a year of schooling under her belt -- moved three hours south of her village to Guatemala City, where she cleaned houses. But she told her parents she felt unsafe in the city of 1.2 million people, and she moved back home after three months.
Soon she decided that she would have to move further. She arranged for smugglers to get her first to Mexico and then across the border to the United States. Friends took up a collection to supply her with traveling money.
Franco was able to send her parents a little money -- not much, but her father said it made a difference.
"It's the only way to make a few pennies here, to sell corn," he said, on a short tour through his property. He said he earns about $5 a day from the 15 small plots that he rents, mostly for corn and beans.
A year and a half ago, he said, he was able to buy a corn grinder for about $900 with money his daughter sent.
A 36-year guerilla war in Guatemala ended in 1996, but more than half the country still lives in poverty.
In the United States, Franco had several brushes with the law prior to the bus crash -- a stop sign violation, and driving without a license. In that case, the officer gave her a ride home and the court ordered her to pay a $182 fine.
She also met and moved in with a boyfriend, and both found jobs at a cabinetry factory where they worked the night shift. It was on her way to that job that Franco is accused of missing a stop sign while driving her boyfriend's minivan, sailing over a set of railroad tracks and hurtling into the back of the school bus.
Killed in the accident were brothers Hunter Javens, 9, and Jesse Javens, 13, of Cottonwood; Emilee Olson, 9, of Cottonwood; and Reed Stevens, 12, of Marshall.
Franco had lived with her aunt, Petrona Franco, for a time in Marshall. But Petrona Franco said she had not seen her niece for several months before the accident. She told the Pioneer Press she barely recognized the gaunt, unsmiling woman from the booking photo.
"I saw her grow up without malice in her heart," Petrona Franco said. "She's a good girl."
Franco's parents have spoken with their daughter once since the arrest, just afterward when she was still in the hospital. Franco-Ortiz said the conversation was brief, and his daughter kept apologizing.
"She thought maybe she was going to die," Franco-Ortiz said. "She asked us to forgive her."
http://wcco.com/local/cottonwood.olga.f ... 87906.html
Unreal...
The media spin on that story was a joke. Sure, I'd like a "better life", but I don't disregard laws of nations to obtain it... Furthermore I do not kill people in a selfish pursuit of said "better life".
Accident or not, her selfish goal of a "better life" left Americans DEAD.
Move to new section for Americans killed by illegals.