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Originally Posted by nemastef
You are really reaching for straws here and I will advise you that it is not a good idea to refer to NumbersUSA as a "dubious source" around here.Quote:
Originally Posted by navigeur
NumbersUSA is one of the most credible sources in our movement, that preexists your Tea Party movement. So you need knock off the unwarranted insults immediately.
Most of the Tea Party supporters and 9/12ers we are hearing from today are not engaging in the kind of insults you are deploying here. Your hostility and insults are the exception, not the rule.
Yet, you should start thinking about how you reflect on your cause with your demeanor here.
W
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Now we discover that Open Borders DC insiders are moving to take control of the 9/12 movement and you are going to growl at us for saying anything.
I'm emailing Glenn Beck!
Do you think he knows?
Please don't attempt at categorizing me, or attempt to isolate me.Quote:
Originally Posted by ALIPAC
Tea Parties are not MY movement, anymore than ALIPAC is MY movement. I represent myself. Hopefully that is acceptable.
If you feel I insulted you with the term "dubious", in relation to a specific website, perhaps it was misplaced, and out of line.
My apologies.
You seem to feel that I have launched multiple insults, however, as if that is now your characterization of me. Can you elaborate?
I believe you asked for honest feedback. I'm not the opposition.
To more properly reiterate:
I don't make decisions based on one youtube link or a couple of hyperlinks. I stand by that. No adjectives, here.
I will take them into account, as I have with all videos and links here, in the past three years. Dozens, perhaps hundreds. I make up my own mind about them.
I support the ALIPAC perspective, totally, AND the Tea Party movement.
You are not going to force me to choose sides.
I hope that's not insulting.
You can send an email to Freedomworks by going to their "CONTACT US" page and filling out the info requested at this link:
http://www.freedomworks.org/contact
I have asked them:
What is Freedomworks stand on ILLEGAL immigration?
What is Freedomworks stand on LEGAL immigration?
I'll post their answer here as soon as I hear from them, if I do.
I just got the following reply from FreedomWorks:
Thank you for contacting us. We will get in touch with you regarding your contact as soon as possible.
I got that too. It's an auto response to any email they receive.Quote:
Originally Posted by LAPhil
naviguer, some of your posts make little sense, except for eloquently trying to trash ALIPAC.What do any of these subjects have to do with the problem of illegal immigration?Quote:
Is ALIPAC pro-war or anti-war?
Is the 9/12 movement environmentalist or anti-environmentalist?
Is ALIPAC pro-global warming or anti-global warming?
As far as illegals, they are a major reason our taxes and insurances go up every chance the powers-that-be get. The illegals, and even the continual bringing in of visaed workers has eroded the taxpayer base which loses jobs continually due to insourcing and outsourcing. Taxes and the base philosolphy of ALIPAC are intertwined, and apparently with some of the characters funding the 9/12 march are turning the agenda into something to benefit themselves and their corporate buddies.
I think the message here is look very carefully and research the backgrounds of those supporting organizations, listen very carefully and decide what is going on, as there are many rattlesnakes in the grass. Dick Armey, after all, didn't change his stripes overnight.
For those that will participate in the 9/12 events, carry the message of the problems of illegal immigration and what it is costing this country, so we continually have to borrow money from all over the world, especially China, whose economy would collapse if they were not able to sell us cheap stuff.
Please remember, we are all Americans together, and apparently we are being cleaved by snorting over verbiage of a press release that basically states that there is reason for suspicion of some sponsors.
Ha, should I say that now you are insulting me - "some of your posts make little sense, except for eloquently trashing ALIPAC"? I won't, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by vortex
I think I stated my honest reactions to this situation, and discussed this with 2 or 3 people here, and had a small debate on the pros and cons.
Other's comments on this and other forums, right here, bring up some of the same issues, so I am not isolated, nor do I feel it proper to be characterized, advertently or inadvertently, as some sort of "insulting" person.
You would agree that this, by ALIPAC's own admission, caused some sort of a rucus. Whether certain things could have been phrased differently, who knows.
I was asked to relay an honest opinion, nonetheless.
I think you might have missed my statements concerning supporting ALIPAC (totally), supporting fact finding (in agreement), supporting digging for the truth (in agreement), and supporting baring of the truth to all takers. All of that is great, and necessary. I have not said otherwise.
I also agree with your brief, here, on the effects of illegal immigration and how they might fit into the 9/12 movement, or the tax thing, more appropriately, as you indicate. I agree that one must be careful and do the necessary research. I do that on an ongoing basis, but I won't claim that I have researched everyone in depth. I could spend my life doing no more than that. I have been effected by illegal immigration personally, one of the many reasons I sought, amongst many immigration focused groups, and landed at ALIPAC, for information retrieval, three years ago.
I'm not the opposition, but I am a participant in two other groups, Tea Parties being one.
One must also appreciate the audience when things are said, as I have to. There were comments made about Tea Parties and the March on Washington (9/12), about Glenn Beck, and then they had to be clarified, because of some uproar over what was said.
I didn't create that, but I commented on it, honestly. Again, I understand the purpose of research and how necessary it is, and to get whatever information is needed out there.
How it is taken by the audience is a whole other ballgame. Maybe I wasn't clear or perhaps I was too clear, it is hard to tell. If you read between the lines with my few posts today, you will notice that I felt it was a slippery slope to critique other groups and other causes that are not part of any organized opposition to ALIPAC. ALIPAC has priorities and interests in other arenas, right here in multiple forums, and other groups can certainly have their own interests and priorities, which may not be ALIPAC's whether they should be or not. That's not for me to determine, but it sounds like it has already been determined for me, here.
I can determine my own priorities and become affiliated with whatever group I share my perspectives with.
When a "group", or person, starts sounding like opposition to the Tea Parties, in my opinion, I may bring the subject up, and talk about it. There is enough opposition to ALIPAC, the Tea Parties, and to 9/12 that perhaps we don't need anymore, at this particular time. I could be wrong, maybe all groups should clean house, at this point.
Remember the audience, not the speaker's intent. That's what you learn in the public speaking we all took in college.
I wish NO more opposition, or division, to ALIPAC than I do to 9/12 and the Tea Parties. Is that my point in all this?
Others have apparently made their own determinations. I hope this helps.
There's a chance that Glenn Beck does not know. We did not know until this past week and immigration has not been the hottest of topics for the last few months.Quote:
Originally Posted by WorriedAmerican
Glenn Beck and hundreds of thousands of others will know soon enough I guarantee you all that!
W
Thanks Naviguer, your feedback is much more appreciated without the negative adjectives
We are going to make it clear that we know that the vast majority of 9/12 and Tea Party participants, leaders, and groups are with us on immigration issues and that those issues are important to them and they want them manifest in the Tea Party and 9/12 movement.
We are also going to lay out our growing body of evidence that the Open Borders Lobby is now trying to take point on the Tea Party movement and suppress the illegal immigration issue within said movements.
This will be a painful task and will upset many people regardless of how we phrase it.
However, we will do what we usually do. We will put the facts out there, smile and be as supportive and understanding as possible during the misdirected backlash, and get er done!
And when we are done, Dick Armey, Grover Norquist, and the other OBLs we will identify soon will not find the large crowds in DC in the palm of their hands.
W
If you are going to Washington be sure to have lots of signs that express your opinion on ILLEGAL immigration, open borders and amnesty.
You speak not only for yourselves but also for those of us who can not be there.
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Originally Posted by ALIPAC
This helps considerably, thanks. I can now take my bullet proof vest off.
Seems I'm leaking somewhere, though. :)
William, thank you for all the work that you do and for bringing this to the forefront. It seems that we have a Trojan Horse in our midst. I await your info so that I can pass the word on who the deceivers are. Thank you again.Quote:
Originally Posted by ALIPAC
William,
Go ahead and remove the poison from the body, but don't destroy the body. That would be a lose-lose situation for all.
If there are hijackers of the the groups I am proud to be part of, then go ahead and call them out. There are also hijackers of my own religion, but I am not going to remove myself from my religion.
There is NO national leader for 912. Glenn Beck was just an inspiration with a great idea for all grassroots Americans to pick up a torch and run with. There is NO national leader for the original Tea Party movement. I wish there were funding coming out of some great big machine, like the left wing, but there is no great big machine. All 912 groups and original Tea Party groups are local, and rely on local citizens to run their operations. The march on D.C. is just that...a march on D.C. I know Oregon citizens going to D.C. to make a statement to our government, with or without Dick Armey or Freedomworks. If the latter didn't exist, my fellow citizens would still march, and hold true to their values & principles!
If you would take a look at Oregon 912 groups, you would see anti-illegal immigration advocates hosting some of our meetings, and even speakers such as the leader of Oregonians for Immigration Reform at 912 meetings. We also have 912 members & Tea Party members attacking the subject of illegal immigration at Townhall meetings and holding our leaders accountable on the issues (with thunderous applause, I might add).
I am on the committee of a huge Tea Party on Labor Day in Portland. If I had time and funds, I would march on Washington on 9/12. Nobody is dictating to me these choices, or preaching anything along the lines of pro-amnesty.
Again, cleanse the poison, but don't destroy the body. Simple concept, huh? I do believe the same concept is applied to all immigration reform groups, is it not?
Absolutely correct, pacificrk, and welcome if I haven't run into you before.
ALIPAC is not trying to destroy the body of the Tea Party movement, but basically responding to the acrid smell of bitter almonds (arsenic) which has pervaded and come to the forefront represented by those who have taken charge of this grassroots effort, turning it to a political bonus to further their own careers and wealth.
And I was not insulting you, naviguer, but basically saying that we do not need the usurping of a grassroots movement by those that have very strange political pasts. And then there is the conundrum of why these folks smelling of bitter almonds are trying to run this movement, when their pasts clearly show that they are out for fame and money instead of the benefit of the American people. And, as perhaps I have mentioned before, our tax problems are intertwined with illegal immigration, and even the visaed workers who never go home.
Point being, that there is something funny. And I worry about folks like Armey and Norquist getting more face-time on MSM than the real people behind the movement which are trying to carry a very important message to Washington.
I couldn't agree with you more, pacificrk. I have personally witnessed the near implosion of the anti-illegal immigration movement in Southern California by individuals whose egos become more important to them than the movement. There was never any disagreement as to the ends, only to the means, and the disagreements were over matters which were petty considering the overall picture. We can't afford to be divided over trivial matters or even disagreements about policies other than illegal immigration right now. This battle is far from won and we need to stay focused and united if we're going to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by pacificrk
I have a question to ask.
If you are a member of a group and then find out that the person leading it is an active KKK member how would you feel? What would you do?
OK, but don't lose sight of the fact that not everyone will agree with the premise "by those who have taken charge of this grassroots effort" or who that may or may not be.Quote:
Originally Posted by vortex
That is a perception, and may be an educated one, a gut feeling, however, personally, FreedomWorks is the farthest from the "forefront" in my experience, and perhaps others' experience. I don't recall any representation in 4 separate tea parties, or the kickoff for the Tea Party Express, or at any townhalls.
You are alleging "usurping" of another grass-roots organization, one you may or may not be involved with. From the comments I have read from other fellow Tea Party supporters here, they don't seem to see that.
Perhaps one has to be "outside the box", so to speak, to really see this.
That works both ways, and probably the only reason I'm bringing this up
(After W's last note I was going to let it go).
I don't know any group that is "in charge", or has "taken charge".
There were rumours that Rush Limbaugh and FOX news were in charge, and then someone else, and then the GOP, and then Freedom Works, and Michelle Malkin. Next week our opposition (for both conceptual groups) will find someone else to point fingers at. Freedom Works has been talked about at length as being the connection to the GOP, therefore the consensus was that the Tea Parties were then partisan, when they are not. Armey has been on the opposition's "forefront".
What I see potentially happening is that you and your opposition will end up on the same side, with Armey as both your "forefronts".
That might even be stranger than you can imagine.
I just hope you understand how that might be perceived. Again, I say might be, because the audience is more important than the messenger.
Again, I support what you need to do. When you finish, if you want to do some research on more influential, and vastly more wealthier, double or triple agents, there are a couple of really, really strange ones out there.
I'm not done, either.
Whenever I have heard reference to the Tea Party Express and the 9/12 March I have heard Dick Armeys name interjected into it. Whether anyone believes or admits that he is one of the leaders, it is perceived that he is the leader.
Yes, and you have been listening to the Tea Party opposition and the mainstream media.Quote:
Originally Posted by jinky
The groups that have firm opposition to the legal immigration cause, as well as the Tea Parties, and 9/12, have focused intently on Dick Armey.
Almost exclusively, I might add.
Ummmm, no. I don't watch MSM. This was on FNC.Quote:
Originally Posted by navigeur
Suggestion.Quote:
Perhaps one has to be "outside the box", so to speak, to really see this.
That works both ways, and probably the only reason I'm bringing this up
(After W's last note I was going to let it go).
I don't know any group that is "in charge", or has "taken charge".
When you get to Washington watch very closely to see who gets the best speach times, the biggest introductions, etc. and seems to take charge or be incharge there. And then please report back here for those of us who can't make it to Washington. I would really appreciate a report from several different people who attend so that we can get several different viewpoints. I hope everything works out well for those of you who have invested your time and money in the Washinton trip.
I didn't realize that Fox News Channel wasn't part of main-stream media.Quote:
Originally Posted by jinky
Perhaps we can chalk that up to semantics. Perhaps not the "classic" main-stream media.
Fox, as I indicated, used to be at the "forefront", leading many to believe the Tea Parties were partisan, Republican only, grass-roots organizations. Any relationship with FOX, and there were many, were used to denigrate the movement as being partisan, right wing, and much worse. I did see a Fox News truck at one, but they have seemed to back off.
I don't watch TV, so my TV vision is limited, in this regard.
Remember, I said in my experience.
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Originally Posted by JohnDoe2
Here is the weekend speaking list on the 912dc site:
http://912dc.org/agenda/
When you heard reference to Dick Armey at Fox News channel was it positive or negative, or just as a matter of fact that his name was interjected as, perhaps, a leader, leading to that perception?Quote:
Originally Posted by jinky
To clarify what I meant concerning the opposition, mention of Dick Armey and Freedom Works was intensely negative, and a focus, or a "forefront".
THANKS.
Let's put it out there for everyone.
.Agenda
(tentative – last updated 08/31/09)
We will be putting together the details of the week’s events soon. For now, this is our tentative agenda for 9-10 through 9-12. This is the most up to date, and accurate place for information on the web.
Thursday, 9-10
9:00am to 12:00pm Liberty Summit at DC Armory (REGISTER NOW!)
1:00pm: Press Conference on Capitol Hill (REGISTER NOW!)
1:30pm to 5:30pm: Grassroots lobbying visits on Capitol Hill
5:30pm Doctors Rally Against Socialized Medicine (REGISTER NOW!)
Friday, 9-11
9:00am Leadership Institute: Internet Activist Workshop (Agenda and Registration)
10:00am – 5:00pm ParentalRights.org Lobbyist and Activism Training Seminars (Agenda and Registration)
12:00pm to 4:00pm CEI/ARC Intellectual Ammunition Workshop (REGISTER)
1:00pm Leadership Institute: Grassroots On the Ground Workshop (Agenda and Registration)
2:00pm to 5:30pm Grassroots lobbying visits on Capitol Hill
4:00pm Bureaucrash Happy Hour at Bullfeathers (space limited to 100)
5:00 pm Leadership Institute: Grassroots on the Hill Workshop (Agenda and Registration)
6:30pm to 10:00pm Remember 911 and support the troops at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center. (see the map)
8:00am – 11:00pm Sign-Making at the Hyatt Regency on Capitol Hill
(400 New Jersey Avenue, NW) Congressional Room B
Saturday, 9-12
9:00am Crowd gathers at Freedom Plaza
11:30am March on the Capitol Begins down Pennsylvania Ave. (See Map)
1:00pm March ends and Rally Begins at West Front of the U.S. Capitol
Click here to register for the March on Washington!
CONFIRMED SPEAKERS FOR SATURDAY’S RALLY:
Dick Armey - FreedomWorks
Matt Kibbe – FreedomWorks
Mason Weaver, San Diego, CA
John Tate, Campaign for Liberty
Rep. Marsha Blackburn (TN)
Jenny Beth Martin, Tea Party Patriots
Darla Dawald, Resistnet.com
Brendan Steinhauser, FreedomWorks
Steve Elliot, Grassfire
Kellen Giuda, Founder of Parcbench.com and the New York City Tea Party
Deneen Borelli, The National Center for Public Policy Research/Project 21
Andrew Langer, Institute for Liberty
Stephen Baldwin and Kevin McCollough, X-Treme Radio
Yaron Brook, Ayn Rand Center for Individual Rights
Lloyd Marcus, Tea Party Express
Rev. CL Bryant, Shreveport, Louisiana
Joel Aaron, Atlanta, Georgia
Chris Cassone
Phillip Dennis, Dallas, Texas
James Anderer, entrepreneur
Rep. Tom Price (GA)
Doc Thompson, Richmond, Virginia
Mario Lopez, Hispanic Leadership Fund
Toby Marie Walker, Waco, TX
Andrew Moylan, NTU
Kelly Hoag, Austin, TX
Bruce Bellot
Yvonne Donnelly, The 912 Project
Bruce Webster, Denver, CO
Julian Kulski
Hector Barreto, The Latino Coalition
Bob Levy, Cato Institute
Ashleigh Kenny, Georgia
Betsy McCaughey, Committee to Reduce Infection Deaths
Greg Harrell, Ohio
Rep. Joel Winters (NH), Free State Project
Martha Zoller, Georgia
Nicole Darland, Xclusive Xpeditions
Rep. Mike Pence (IN)
Richard Mourdock, Indiana State Treasurer
Sen. Jim DeMint (SC)
William Greene, RightMarch.com
CONFIRMED SPEAKERS FOR FREEDOM PLAZA GATHERING:
Andrew Moylan, National Taxpayers Union
Hi Caliber, Mr. Conservative (music)
Charles Lollar, Maryland
Nic Lott, Mississippi
Diana Reimer, Pennsylvania Tea Party Patriots
Phillip Dennis, Dallas Tea Party Patriots
Tom Gaitens, Florida
Debbie Dooley, Georgia
Lee Doren, Bureaucrash
Everett Wilkinson, Florida Tea Party Patriots
Angela McGlowan
John O’Hara, Heartland Institute
Toby Walker, Waco Tea Party Patriots
Robin Stublen, Florida
Judy Pepenella, New York
Matt Kibbe, FreedomWorks
Brendan Steinhauser, FreedomWorks
Brian Williams, National Center for Policy Analysis
Sally Oljar, Seattle
CONFIRMED SPEAKERS FOR THURSDAY’S DOCTORS RALLY:
Rep. Phil Gingrey (GA)
Rep. Tom Price (GA)
http://912dc.org/agenda/
My point being that it seems the Tea Party movement is getting hijacked by those with fame, as respected speakers in DC.
I think ALIPAC's major point here is that those with the most time on TV are not necessarily as supportive of any grassroots efforts, unless they can use it to further themselves and their careers. And we all better examine every piece of info we can find, so TEA does not end up in the sewer when the super-liberals get after them to a much larger extent than they already have tried.
I did notice that Dick Armey's name was first on the list of speakers even though they aren't in alphabetical order.
CONFIRMED SPEAKERS FOR SATURDAY’S RALLY:
Dick Armey - FreedomWorks
It will be important to note who speaks at the press conferences and who does the news program interviews.
Here's the Tea Party Express delegation, for anyone interested.
http://www.teapartyexpress.org/about/index.html
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Originally Posted by vortex
Not to mention that perhaps the country might have also been hijacked.
What group has hijacked the country? Are you as intense with finding "every piece of info we can find" on them, as well? Hopefully so, there's plenty of them out there. My list has at least 100 names.
Seems to me FOX News was the first "hijacker" of the Tea Parties, if you want some initial hijackers to also look into. Did you get intense with "every piece of info we can find" on FOX, or have they been totally vetted?
They became perceived as pushers and sponsors of the events, but I don't notice them anymore. I think they got the point that they were a distraction to the cause, perhaps.
They report on events, certainly, but I don't see FOX News trucks, anymore.
Any of these grass roots organizations do not need heads, or leaders, but they do need sponsors, as does ALIPAC, even just recently.
Ha, Limbaugh was on the radio today and said something to the effect of "these grass roots organizations don't need leaders, but socialists need leaders" - in reference to the fact that people were just showing up at town halls and Tea Parties, not being lead by anyone.
Looks like that is what is going to happen in Washington in a week or so.
Another point you might want to be aware of is that the Tea Party movement is made up of hundreds, if not thousands, of local groups. The Tea Party Express is their own group, separate from all the others, something that has evolved since July 4, as far as I know. The March on Washington 9/12 is yet another "group" as you will. The March on Washington on 9/12 has about 30 sponsors, from what their website indicates.Quote:
Originally Posted by vortex
As such they are distinct and separate entities, with any overlap that there might be. I think someone was trying to make that point earlier. I'm sure some overlap.
I'm not part of the March on Washington 9/12 group, so I really know the least about them. I would have liked to have gone, though.
" in reference to the fact that people were just showing up at town halls and Tea Parties, not being lead by anyone. "
Looks like that is what is going to happen in Washington in a week or so.
I sure hope and pray this is the case .
Does not take long on the Event list provided . I find a few Wolves feeding the sheep " if that makes sense " .
I do see some problems with some of the speakers and their opinions concerning pseudo amnesty , guest workers , and English only .
Excuse me , this is not nit picking . This is why all of us are here .
And it does concern me and should raise some question as to why these speakers . And how they were chosen for such an important day .
I support tea parties and 9/12'rs and the Genuine Principles laid out . I despise the Wolves Feeding the Sheep to feed More Wolves .
This is way to common . Just look at what and who's up on that capital hill now .
I would also love to go to the march in DC, which is where I grew up. As far as Fox News, and the more liberal stations, one must realize they are run by major corparations. Although our government is not in total control of our media outlets (yet) and the people they employ need to toe the corporate line, or have their programs pulled off the air. Been there as a newspaper reporter and editor, and got rather upset when what I had written was sliced and diced and reduced to nothing more than nothing, including any point of the article.
I honestly don't think that anyone on this website is bashing any Tea Party anywhere, but we worry about the famous trumping of the entire effort in Washington because of their fame and notoriety. And I have to say that I really wonder about the background of those that will be prominent and probably forefront as spokesmen. As one example, Mr. Norquist is apparently a rather strange duck.
Why we are in this verbal battle is a bit confusing, just more cleaving of the American society, taking advantage of the malleability of the population of this country? And what news do we really get? Perhaps one minute of 90 civilians dead from UN bombing in some war zone, three soldiers die by a roadside bomb, but let's get back to examining Michael Jackson's life while a few believe that he is not really dead. The priorities of what it means to be a part of the United States have gone fluffball beyond reasonable thinking, and for quite a few that seems just hunky dory.
Perhaps, I worry too much, but to see these characters involved in what takes place in DC, I think that is the fundamental point.Their trustability is seriously in question.
Well, after 9/12, everything reverts to the local level (Tea Parties), the Tea Party Express disbands and anyone claiming to be a national spokesman for Tea Parties would be irrelevant, because there is no spokesman. They won't even be prominent anymore, even if they get to be prominent on 9/12. Once 9/12 is over, they can feel prominent or at the forefront of a large empty space at the Capital. Not news worthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by vortex
Now, if you are talking just about DC, you have a strong point. If there is another March on Washington, perhaps you could worry.
Tea parties are distinct from the Tea Party Express are distinct from the March on Washington. When 9/12 closes down, who spoke first or the longest or the shortest won't matter unless you are talking just DC.
That may be important, but Tea Parties are not based there, to my knowledge. Local Tea Parties sprang up before there was a "national" site, and that seems web-based. They do have "partners", but they are not at the forefront, they are at the bottom.
Anyone can claim anything they want, but the biggest thing I could see, perhaps, is more exposure for Freedom Works on their website, and maybe more people involvement in their causes.
Along with more exposure for 30 other sponsor sites.
But to attempt to "grab control" of the Tea Party movement, doubtful.
That would be like herding cats. 1500 of them, and growing.
I'm good with bad analogies, admittedly.
Who was in charge of Woodstock? Chip Monck? Grace Slick? CSNY?
No, the people that went were in charge, and they took control.
Cheers. Have a good weekend.
Well, after 9/12, everything reverts to the local level (Tea Parties), the Tea Party Express disbands and anyone claiming to be a national spokesman for Tea Parties would be irrelevant, because there is no spokesman. They won't even be prominent anymore, even if they get to be prominent on 9/12. Once 9/12 is over, they can feel prominent or at the forefront of a large empty space at the Capital. Not news worthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by vortex
Now, if you are talking just about DC, you have a strong point. If there is another March on Washington, perhaps you could worry.
Tea parties are distinct from the Tea Party Express are distinct from the March on Washington. When 9/12 closes down, who spoke first or the longest or the shortest won't matter unless you are talking just DC.
That may be important, but Tea Parties are not based there, to my knowledge. Local Tea Parties sprang up before there was a "national" site, and that seems web-based. They do have "partners", but they are not at the forefront, they are at the bottom.
Anyone can claim anything they want, but the biggest thing I could see, perhaps, is more exposure for Freedom Works on their website, and maybe more people involvement in their causes.
Along with more exposure for 30 other sponsor sites.
But to attempt to "grab control" of the Tea Party movement, doubtful.
That would be like herding cats. 1500 of them, and growing.
I'm good with bad analogies, admittedly.
Who was in charge of Woodstock? Chip Monck? Grace Slick? CSNY?
No, the people that went were in charge, and they took control.
Cheers. Have a good weekend.
navigeur:If I remember correctly I think Glen Beck was spearheading the Tea Parties in the beginning. Thank goodness.Quote:
Personally, Glenn Beck is not a spokesman for the Tea Parties, he does not represent them and this may be one area of misplaced focus. I wouldn't want him to be a spokesman anymore than I would want FOX to be a supporter, necessarily. The movement is headless, without a recognizable leader, and perhaps that's how it should stay.
Personally, I hadn't even heard of Glenn Beck until a couple of months ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by vmonkey56
His appearance on FOX news, whom I just mentioned as being erroneously labeled a prior "forefront", sponsor, or spokesman for the Tea Parties, has only occurred since January of this year. He spent two and half years at CNN prior to that.
I do know that CNN ridicules, denigrates, and opposes the Tea Parties.
I think it is important to know people's backgrounds. Hopefully the long time he spent at CNN didn't rub off on him.
Perhaps of importance, Glenn Beck has his own website devoted to his 9/12 project.
http://www.the912project.com/
This is not the 9/12 March on Washington, however.
http://912dc.org/
Glenn, from his website, representing FOX News, will be reporting from Washington on Saturday, September 12 from 1:00 to 3:00 PM.
He is not on the 9/12 website list of speakers, nor is FOX represented, as a sponsor.
http://912dc.org/= "National Sponsor" FreedomWorks = Dick Army
The donation page clearly states the money is going to FreedomWorks
http://912dc.org/donate/
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