Thread: Immigration activist: Voters may be stuck with 'amnesty

Immigration activist: Voters may be stuck with 'amnesty vs. amnesty' choice in November
Chad Groening
OneNewsNow.com
January 21, 2008


Voters will be stuck with amnesty, says noted immigration activist William Gheen, if the Republican Party nominates John McCain, Mike Huckabee, or Rudy Giuliani to represent them in November.

[b]William Gheen, president of Americans for Legal Immigration PAC,[b] says the most elite political and financial influences on the planet are trying to manufacture a situation where the American voter will have to choose between a Republican-delivered amnesty or a Democratic-delivered amnesty.

The immigration activist says if the GOP nominates McCain, Huckabee or Giuliani, the stage would be set for a "historic" third party or independent run because -- given those individuals' political records -- he refuses to support an amnesty candidate. And he believes other voters feel the same way.

Gheen also feels as though the media, especially Fox News, has been pushing the three Republican candidates while failing to report much on their negative aspects.


http://www.onenewsnow.com/2008/01/im..._voters_ma.php

And, that would be.........

November, 2008------the US on its way to a path of destruction.

Thanks for being honest William!

I posted all there was to post. It sounds like there's more to it that.
I hope William can explain.

This is certainly part of the problem:

CNN: Media Deserve 'Shame' for 'Complicity' w/ Dems Ignoring Immigration
By Brad Wilmouth | January 21, 2008 - 12:17 ET
On Tuesday's Lou Dobbs Tonight, which was repeated on Sunday, CNN host Dobbs chided the media for not including illegal immigration in exit polls of Democratic voters simply because Democratic candidates have avoided discussing the issue to prevent, according to Bill Schneider, "stirring up a lot of passion," and relayed that he had pressured CNN into including the issue in its polls. Dobbs: "Would it surprise you if I were to tell you right here in front of God and everybody I had to convince CNN a couple of years ago to include illegal immigration in a poll because we didn't even in this organization believe it was an important issue, some of us didn't?" He even got Schneider to agree with his contention that the media's "complicity with that motive" of the Democratic candidates in ignoring the issue should "bring a sense of shame to these [media] organizations." (Transcript follows)

Dobbs set up the discussion with Schneider, Gloria Borger and CNN contributor/liberal talk radio host Roland Martin by showing a report by correspondent Casey Wian about a business owner who refused to hire illegal immigrants, and argued that he ended up suffering because his competitors exploited the cheaper labor of illegal workers. After Borger opined that increasing concern about the economy would lead to the illegal immigration issue moving "front and center" because the two issues are "intertwined," Dobbs brought up CNN's handling of the issue:

Would it surprise you if I were to tell you right here in front of God and everybody I had to convince CNN a couple of years ago to include illegal immigration in a poll because we didn't even in this organization believe it was an important issue, some of us didn't? Bill Schneider, the idea that the Democratic party is not being polled in exit polls on the issue of illegal immigration, you and I have talked about this, the idea that the national press corps doesn't think it's an important issue for Democrats in making that a priority judgement, your thoughts?


Schneider cited the refusal of Democratic candidates to talk about the issue to avoid "stirring up a lot of passion" as the rationale behind the issue's absence in exit poll questions to Democratic voters, but also conceded that "Democrats certainly care about the issue." When asked by Dobbs if it should "bring a sense of shame" to media organizations that they "act in complicity with that motive on the part of these candidates and the Democratic party," Schneider agreed: "I think it should. I think that they should poll on the issues that are of concern to the voters, whether or not the candidates talk about them."

Below is a transcript of the relevant portion of the Tuesday, January 15 Lou Dobbs Tonight, which was repeated on Sunday, January 20, on CNN:

LOU DOBBS: The reaction when you watch a story as Casey Wian reported from Chino, California?

GLORIA BORGER: Well, I think that immigration is going to become a very large issue in this presidential campaign because it is intertwined with the issue of the economy, which in all of our CNN polls and everyone else's polls show economy has now trumped every other issue in the American mind. And when you talk about the economy, immigration is a natural spinoff of that, just as Casey's story showed. So I think it's going to be front and center.

DOBBS: Would it surprise you if I were to tell you right here in front of God and everybody I had to convince CNN a couple of years ago to include illegal immigration in a poll because we didn't even in this organization believe it was an important issue, some of us didn't. Bill Schneider, the idea that the Democratic party is not being polled in exit polls on the issue of illegal immigration, you and I have talked about this, the idea that the national press corps doesn't think it's an important issue for Democrats in making that a priority judgement, your thoughts?

BILL SCHNEIDER: Well, it's not included in polls because the Democratic candidates don't talk about it much. There's kind of an agreement they don't want to stir up a lot of passion on the issue. Democrats certainly care about the issue.

DOBBS: And the national news organizations act in complicity with that motive on the part of these candidates and the Democratic party?

SCHNEIDER: Yes, they do.

DOBBS: But shouldn't that bring a sense of shame to these organizations?

SCHNEIDER: I think it should. I think that they should poll on the issues that are of concern to the voters, whether or not the candidates talk about them.

DOBBS: Amen, brother. Roland, the idea of illegal immigration not being put forward. We could see in poll after poll it was important to Americans all over the country. The idea that the national news media did not force these candidates to deal with the issues of drivers licenses for illegal aliens, the issues of border security. It's remarkable, isn't it?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmo ... mmigration

Originally Posted by miguelina

This is certainly part of the problem:

CNN: Media Deserve 'Shame' for 'Complicity' w/ Dems Ignoring Immigration
By Brad Wilmouth | January 21, 2008 - 12:17 ET
On Tuesday's Lou Dobbs Tonight, which was repeated on Sunday, CNN host Dobbs chided the media for not including illegal immigration in exit polls of Democratic voters simply because Democratic candidates have avoided discussing the issue to prevent, according to Bill Schneider, "stirring up a lot of passion," and relayed that he had pressured CNN into including the issue in its polls. Dobbs: "Would it surprise you if I were to tell you right here in front of God and everybody I had to convince CNN a couple of years ago to include illegal immigration in a poll because we didn't even in this organization believe it was an important issue, some of us didn't?" He even got Schneider to agree with his contention that the media's "complicity with that motive" of the Democratic candidates in ignoring the issue should "bring a sense of shame to these [media] organizations." (Transcript follows)

Dobbs set up the discussion with Schneider, Gloria Borger and CNN contributor/liberal talk radio host Roland Martin by showing a report by correspondent Casey Wian about a business owner who refused to hire illegal immigrants, and argued that he ended up suffering because his competitors exploited the cheaper labor of illegal workers. After Borger opined that increasing concern about the economy would lead to the illegal immigration issue moving "front and center" because the two issues are "intertwined," Dobbs brought up CNN's handling of the issue:

Would it surprise you if I were to tell you right here in front of God and everybody I had to convince CNN a couple of years ago to include illegal immigration in a poll because we didn't even in this organization believe it was an important issue, some of us didn't? Bill Schneider, the idea that the Democratic party is not being polled in exit polls on the issue of illegal immigration, you and I have talked about this, the idea that the national press corps doesn't think it's an important issue for Democrats in making that a priority judgement, your thoughts?


Schneider cited the refusal of Democratic candidates to talk about the issue to avoid "stirring up a lot of passion" as the rationale behind the issue's absence in exit poll questions to Democratic voters, but also conceded that "Democrats certainly care about the issue." When asked by Dobbs if it should "bring a sense of shame" to media organizations that they "act in complicity with that motive on the part of these candidates and the Democratic party," Schneider agreed: "I think it should. I think that they should poll on the issues that are of concern to the voters, whether or not the candidates talk about them."

Below is a transcript of the relevant portion of the Tuesday, January 15 Lou Dobbs Tonight, which was repeated on Sunday, January 20, on CNN:

LOU DOBBS: The reaction when you watch a story as Casey Wian reported from Chino, California?

GLORIA BORGER: Well, I think that immigration is going to become a very large issue in this presidential campaign because it is intertwined with the issue of the economy, which in all of our CNN polls and everyone else's polls show economy has now trumped every other issue in the American mind. And when you talk about the economy, immigration is a natural spinoff of that, just as Casey's story showed. So I think it's going to be front and center.

DOBBS: Would it surprise you if I were to tell you right here in front of God and everybody I had to convince CNN a couple of years ago to include illegal immigration in a poll because we didn't even in this organization believe it was an important issue, some of us didn't. Bill Schneider, the idea that the Democratic party is not being polled in exit polls on the issue of illegal immigration, you and I have talked about this, the idea that the national press corps doesn't think it's an important issue for Democrats in making that a priority judgement, your thoughts?

BILL SCHNEIDER: Well, it's not included in polls because the Democratic candidates don't talk about it much. There's kind of an agreement they don't want to stir up a lot of passion on the issue. Democrats certainly care about the issue.

DOBBS: And the national news organizations act in complicity with that motive on the part of these candidates and the Democratic party?

SCHNEIDER: Yes, they do.

DOBBS: But shouldn't that bring a sense of shame to these organizations?

SCHNEIDER: I think it should. I think that they should poll on the issues that are of concern to the voters, whether or not the candidates talk about them.

DOBBS: Amen, brother. Roland, the idea of illegal immigration not being put forward. We could see in poll after poll it was important to Americans all over the country. The idea that the national news media did not force these candidates to deal with the issues of drivers licenses for illegal aliens, the issues of border security. It's remarkable, isn't it?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmo ... mmigration

I wonder if they will touch on illegal immigration during the CNN Dem debate tonight??

Originally Posted by mkfarnam

I posted all there was to post. It sounds like there's more to it that.
I hope William can explain.

I think that his point is.............

The media, special interest groups, etc.-----are trying to set the wheels in motion so that US citizens only have a choice between either a Republican or Democratic amnesty candidate!!!

Then instead of fighting over Romney and Ron Paul
I suggest we get busy and make sure one of those morons
Huck, Rudi or McCain DON'T WIN

Originally Posted by Bren4824

Originally Posted by mkfarnam

I posted all there was to post. It sounds like there's more to it that.
I hope William can explain.

I think that his point is.............

The media, special interest groups, etc.-----are trying to set the wheels in motion so that US citizens only have a choice between either a Republican or Democratic amnesty candidate!!!

I understood that.

Congrats on the exposure W. But I didn't know you were an "immigration activist"! Ha ha.