ALIPAC's National Online Debate: Presidential Candidates and Illegal Immigration

Friends of ALIPAC:

Today we challenge each of you to comment and join the debate on which presidential candidate you believe is America's best choice to deal with our illegal immigration crisis which is costing many Americans their lives, jobs, homes, tax dollars, seats in college, etc...

Over 11 million illegal aliens combined with an historic hyper "Legal Immigration" level are hammering American workers and families, throwing innocent Americans into unprecedented poverty and homelessness.

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While ALIPAC endorses candidates for US Congress and Senate, we do not endorse for president. We hope that an online debate among our supporters will help increase awareness and voter education.

Please share with us which of these candidates you believe would be the best choice in 2012 based on their positions on illegal and legal immigration.

Barack Obama? Mitt Romney? Ron Paul? Rick Perry? Rick Santorum? Newt Gingrich? A third party candidate?

Please stick to the facts, access and cite the www.ALIPAC.us archives to support your positions, remain respectful of all comments and candidates, and post below.

DISREGARD---> New ALIPAC Forum Users and those with less than 100 posts may join the debate today January 17th.

ALIPAC forum users with 100-500 Posts may join in Wed January 18th.

ALIPAC Forum users with 500+ Posts may join the debate Thursday January 19th and forward. <---- DISREGARD

Let the debate begin!


William Gheen
President of ALIPAC
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ANY of the GOP candidates would be better than Obama; so the real issue is not their position on immigration, but it is electability. In my mind, this leaves only one choice- Mitt.

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Originally Posted by mschall

ANY of the GOP candidates would be better than Obama; so the real issue is not their position on immigration, but it is electability. In my mind, this leaves only one choice- Mitt.

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I pretty much tend to agree with you on this.

I cannot give my support to Mitt. If we have learned anything at all from the last election and the mess Mr. Bush created with his prosecution of Ramos and Campeon, by Johnny Sutton and Mr. Gonzalez, it should be that we cannot trust anyone the GOP tries to force down our throats. My support will go to Ron Paul. The GOP is every bit as corrupt as the DNC and we should not forget it. They are intent on expanding globalisation which is killing us. People should wake up and realize this.

Anyone But Obama...!!!

IF the republican party can only come up with a Flea-bitten Mongrel Dog, then I Will Vote for him in Nov., here doggy,doggy, doggy...!!!--Cuz anything is better than obummer...!!!

I do agree with Jondoe...Rick Santorum is now rated the Highest by numbersUSA.org with an A- since he came Out Against Chain migration & the Visa Lottery...that would be my 1st pick...However I Am fully behind Mitt Romney if he wins the Republican nomination...I dissagree with Cujo Not being able to support Romney & being ONLY for Ron Paul, cuz that IS a vote FOR obummer & while I agree with many of Ron Paul's constitutional stances, I do NOT believe that he can beat obama...So AnyONE But obama is for me....here doggy, doggy, doggy......!!!

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Originally Posted by Cujo47

I cannot give my support to Mitt. If we have learned anything at all from the last election and the mess Mr. Bush created with his prosecution of Ramos and Campeon, by Johnny Sutton and Mr. Gonzalez, it should be that we cannot trust anyone the GOP tries to force down our throats. My support will go to Ron Paul. The GOP is every bit as corrupt as the DNC and we should not forget it. They are intent on expanding globalisation which is killing us. People should wake up and realize this.

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I totally agree with you on Ron Paul if he doesn't win the nomination then I will have to decide what to do at that point. Up till then I will support Ron Paul

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Originally Posted by kathyet

I totally agree with you on Ron Paul if he doesn't win the nomination then I will have to decide what to do at that point. Up till then I will support Ron Paul

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Your opinion doesn't count until the 19th, please everyone disregard this opinion until the 19th Thank You!

Ron Paul. Hes the only one talking about the constitution and the Bill of Rights. All the other candidates would rather ignore it instead. The rest of the GOP makes millions on flip flopping for the corporate machine who is their puppet. Ron has never sold us out EVER. And he does not stand for illegal immigration either.

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Originally Posted by stevetheroofer

Your opinion doesn't count until the 19th, please everyone disregard this opinion until the 19th Thank You!

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pssst Ron Paul

Ok, so several of you do not want to stick to the rule about posting later on based on your post count, fine I will change that. I'm just trying to make room for new folks to express their opinions here at ALIPAC. I'll lift the post count restriction, however I will remind everyone to stick to our forum rules closely and ask that our veteran forum members go easy on this topic until other newer members have a chance to weigh in.

W

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Originally Posted by MW

I pretty much tend to agree with you on this.

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If millions of illegal aliens are allowed to form a new legal voting block in America, as opposed to their current mass felony illegal block, it will not matter that you elected a Republican or Democrat in 2012... Mitt or Barack. Center right and conservative Americans like you will be permanently displaced and replaced in American elections by illegal aliens.

This new voting block will then paralyze and peaceful political hopes for future immigration or border enforcement while signalling the over 1 billion people on the planet that want to come to the US that all defenses are down. The next 20 million will arrive shortly thereafter.

So anyone that would disregard a candidate's positions on immigration in 2012 for the short term pleasure of believing things will improve if Obama loses, will be very disappointed in the long run in my humble opinion.

W

As a baby boom Black American Conservative, I disagree with you totally regarding Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney in my opinion would bring to the office of the Presidency a moral compass first, and business and political acumen that has been proven in the past. No other Republican candidate has the broad background and experience in life as Mitt Romney. Newt surely does not have a sense of morality with his past womanizing and three marriages. Romney has been married once to the same woman for a long time and NO REPORTED infidelities as of now. Plus, Newt is a very ANGRY person and I believe he is a vindictive person as he has exhibited on the campaign trail recently. So, I voted for Mitt in 2008's Republican nomination process against McCain and I will vote for Mitt against the other Republicans in the race this time. Mitt, is Moral, Composed, a Leader, electable and I believe is the only candidate than can help making American productive again by providing the atmosphere to create good jobs for those Americans who want to work and not receive WELFARE. I have been unemployed off and on, mostly off the past two years as a result of the current administration's domestic policies. I didn't vote for Obama and I didn't for for McCain. And this time, I will ONLY vote for Mitt Romney.

Charro2,

Please let us know who you are addressing and who you are disagreeing with about Mitt Romney so we can edit your post and add the name of the person you are disagreeing with.

W

I have to agree with several of you that support Ron Paul. He is a strict constitutionalist and you know that what he says is what he means. Although NumbersUSA ranks him at an F on his immigration stance (which is only slightly better than obummer at an F-) I can't believe a word the other candidates say since they have proven themselves to say what they think we want them to say and then do whatever they want once elected. I think Mitt, Newt, both Ricks are more of the same Obummer/Bush globalists and the results would be the same if one of them are elected, however when it comes down to it I'm going to have to vote for whichever Republican is nominated just to make sure the usurper is not put back in the White House. We are being set-up for the lessor of two evils vote again so we need to get out in large numbers during the primaries and not let the few dictate to the many.

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Originally Posted by avenger

I have to agree with several of you that support Ron Paul. He is a strict constitutionalist and you know that what he says is what he means. Although NumbersUSA ranks him at an F on his immigration stance (which is only slightly better than obummer at an F-) I can't believe a word the other candidates say since they have proven themselves to say what they think we want them to say and then do whatever they want once elected. I think Mitt, Newt, both Ricks are more of the same Obummer/Bush globalists and the results would be the same if one of them are elected, however when it comes down to it I'm going to have to vote for whichever Republican is nominated just to make sure the usurper is not put back in the White House. We are being set-up for the lessor of two evils vote again so we need to get out in large numbers during the primaries and not let the few dictate to the many.

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I agree. We have an opportunity to basically put up anyone we want and take the W.H. yet everyone wants to play it "safe" and go with a moderate? It would make sense if we're weren't in the hole we're in as a country, but we are and at this point anyone that's not the incumbent has a good shot at it. Ron Paul is sooo so close to winning if it weren't for Romney taking the first place spot.

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Originally Posted by googler

. . . Ron Paul is sooo so close to winning if it weren't for Romney taking the first place spot.

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National GOP Poll: Romney 30%, Gingrich 27%, Santorum 15%, Ron Paul 13%, Perry 4%. Another 4% like some other candidate in the race, and seven percent 7% are undecided.

South Carolina: Romney 35%, Gingrich 21%, Santorum 16%, Paul 16%

rasmussenreports.com

I'm beginning to think that confusion is the modus operandi of the puppet masters to keep us from pulling together around a true representative of the people. With the mud slinging and the infighting all the misdirection of supposed affairs and previous wives wanting to speak out and blah blah blah of the challengers of the GOP nomination its all smoke and mirrors folks. "Give them something to think about this week and we can catch them off guard and get another puppet to do our bidding." I can just hear the puppet masters saying.

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Originally Posted by smbakk

The very fact that you intentionally did not mention Ron Paul by name but rather referred to him as "a third party candidate" has made me decide I will no longer support ALIPAC, either financially or by posting your links on facebook. Your bias against Ron Paul has been rather obvious from the beginning, but not so blatant as this. It's too bad because Ron Paul is likely the only candidate that will actually do anything about the illegal immigration issue. You are cutting off your nose to spite your face, good luck.

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Did you miss this part?

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Barack Obama? Mitt Romney? Ron Paul? Rick Perry? Rick Santorum? Newt Gingrich? A third party candidate?

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Originally Posted by avenger

I have to agree with several of you that support Ron Paul. He is a strict constitutionalist and you know that what he says is what he means. Although NumbersUSA ranks him at an F on his immigration stance (which is only slightly better than obummer at an F-) I can't believe a word the other candidates say since they have proven themselves to say what they think we want them to say and then do whatever they want once elected. I think Mitt, Newt, both Ricks are more of the same Obummer/Bush globalists and the results would be the same if one of them are elected, however when it comes down to it I'm going to have to vote for whichever Republican is nominated just to make sure the usurper is not put back in the White House. We are being set-up for the lessor of two evils vote again so we need to get out in large numbers during the primaries and not let the few dictate to the many.

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I don't know what numbersUSA is basing their numbers on, because Ron Paul is very much against illegal immigration. He said he will secure our border and not give any government benefits to illegals, as well as put an end to birthright citizenship. He realistically acknowledges we will not be able to round up several million illegals and ship them all back to where they came from, especially those who have been here since childhood and are now adults. But he's going to make those who come here thinking they'll be able to receive government assistance think twice. Plus he'll put our military troops all along our border to ensure the invasions stop. And he does not support any form of amnesty!

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Originally Posted by JohnDoe2

Did you miss this part?

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Yes I did miss it and I am sorry. I deleted my post. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

I am still watching and listening to ALL of them and looking for chinks in the armor, so to speak, while realizing that nothing is perfect.

I am leaning toward Santorum. Newt may be brilliant, but stikes me as a bit of a self important bully and has a record of "any way the wind blows" , I am leary of Romney. Ron Paul makes a lot of good points.

The anything but Obama line of thinking has its' merits ( I really got a chuckle from the woof, woof, woof comments) BUT, I will vote for the nominee and work to insure the House and Senate has members that stand up for the people, not their own pockets.

Regardless of the ultimate nominee, or who wins the election, I want the insurance of a strong and conservative House and Senate that is willing to implement the checks and balances on the Executive Branch and reclaim the balance of power. I will be investing time and effort in those races. I don't want an complacent bunch of yes men/women in power anymore.

I am glad to see that many people are totally commited to their candidates and I pray that no third party candidate splits the vote and hands the election to the Obama Administation, not just Obama, his administration. I feel that the administration is running our country by committee and that it is outside the loop of our legislative system and cheats citizens out of their rightful representation.

I am concerned that the media circus of the nomination process is distracting us from important issues like the DOJ going after states that require ID to vote, insuring that dead pople and illegals will be able to gerrymader our elections and make the selection of a favorite candiate a moot point.

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Originally Posted by smbakk

I don't know what numbersUSA is basing their numbers on . . .

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Click this link and it is explained:
2012 Presidential Hopefuls' Immigration Stances | NumbersUSA - For Lower Immigration Levels

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Originally Posted by JohnDoe2

Click this link and it is explained:
2012 Presidential Hopefuls' Immigration Stances | NumbersUSA - For Lower Immigration Levels

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They base their numbers on deportation only not attrition!!!
Maybe this will help...
this from numbersusa just now

Weighing Some Confusing Immigration Comments in Final South Carolina Debate

By Roy Beck, Friday, January 20, 2012, 12:39 PM EST

An audience member asked a great question: How would the candidates ensure that Americans are first in line for jobs. But the CNN moderator turned it into a question only about amnesty. The four remaining GOP Presidential Candidates proceeded to repeat past stances but in some variations that both raised questions and filled in some blanks. Let's disset the answers . . .

(ANALYSIS STILL BEING PREPARED. POSTING LATER THIS AFTERNOON)

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Finally Ron Paul is getting the chance to be heard through the media and like Kathyet, is my choice. I don't like his views on certain subjects like the military, but I really like and appreciate the fact that he's not running a dirty smear campain like the others are currently doing. Way to go Ron Paul, its such a refreshing and long awaited way to campain.

Welcome to Alipac AllLegalEntriesWelcome! Glad to have you here :)

My vote will go to who ever will be best to deal with illegal immigration . Right now it looks like its Santorum.
I agree with a few here that have already said they'd vote for anyone but Obama....i'll do the same.
I know there are more issues right now , other than illegal immigration, but to me its the most important issue right now. We've been ignored and bashed and supported illegals for entirely too long already! Time for a new change...

I support Mitt. I like many things Paul says, and Santorum has a great illegal alien position and good knowledge. But neither has run a business, or analyzed one to try to bring it to life or let it die, or been a CEO type. I think that Mit has grown more conservative over his life and see many parallels to Reagan's growth, and even mine. Paul and Santorum will have the same issue Obama has in learning how to be an executive. And look how that worked out for us.

If Gingrich were the Republican nominee, I will write in Lizard Men:

"In the closely fought 2008 U.S. Senate election between comedian and commentator Al Franken and incumbent Senator Norm Coleman, one of the ballots challenged by Coleman included a vote for Franken with "Lizard People" written in the space provided for write-in candidates.^[11] Lucas Davenport who later claimed to have written the gag ballot, said, "I don't know if you've heard the conspiracy theory about the Lizard Men; a friend of mine, we didn't like the candidates, so we were at first going to write in revolution, because we thought that was good and to the point. And then, we thought the Lizard People would be even funnier."<sup>[12]

Reptilians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</sup>"

EDIT: What I particularly like about Lizard Men is the court, during the challenge, had to decide whether Lizard Men was actually a real person.

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Thanks for sharing your perspectives on Mitt Romney, Ron Paul, Newt Gingrich, and Rick Santorum with us.

Honestly, hearing from you helps us to do our jobs better and have a good idea where illegal immigration fighters are at on these issues.

W

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My vote will go to who ever will be best to deal with illegal immigration . Right now it looks like its Santorum.
I agree with a few here that have already said they'd vote for anyone but Obama....i'll do the same.
I know there are more issues right now , other than illegal immigration, but to me its the most important issue right now. We've been ignored and bashed and supported illegals for entirely too long already! Time for a new change...

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yep we've supported illegals from as far back as at least since Ronald Reagan was President heck he opened the gates, but to be fair to him it was probably before that, but very few noticed it. I remember being told in the early 70's that Arizona was being over run by them at that time...

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Originally Posted by Cujo47

I cannot give my support to Mitt. If we have learned anything at all from the last election and the mess Mr. Bush created with his prosecution of Ramos and Campeon, by Johnny Sutton and Mr. Gonzalez, it should be that we cannot trust anyone the GOP tries to force down our throats. My support will go to Ron Paul. The GOP is every bit as corrupt as the DNC and we should not forget it. They are intent on expanding globalisation which is killing us. People should wake up and realize this.

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I agree with you. But if Ron Paul does not get the nomination then i will vote for the GOP Candidate because i think if too many vote for a 3rd party Candidate then obama will be re-elected.

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Originally Posted by ALIPAC

Ok, so several of you do not want to stick to the rule about posting later on based on your post count, fine I will change that. I'm just trying to make room for new folks to express their opinions here at ALIPAC. I'll lift the post count restriction, however I will remind everyone to stick to our forum rules closely and ask that our veteran forum members go easy on this topic until other newer members have a chance to weigh in.



W

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I think that those who blatantly were breaking the rules are equivalent to the illegals sneaking into our country and should go to the end of the line. http://www.alipac.us/images/smilies/icon_mad.gif

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Originally Posted by smbakk

Yes I did miss it and I am sorry. I deleted my post. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

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That is really nice. I like to see it when someone acknowledges that they were in error. You see so little of it or none of it on other sites - liberal or conservative.
Bless you.

For Watson on previous page.

Why do you think Ron Paul did not run a business ? As a Doctor he delivered over 4,000 babies and some of them at NO CHARGE to parents who were too poor to pay. He could not have done that at no charge if it was not his business.

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