All States should start doing this

Since the AG and the Supreme Court have now ratified that Border protection is a Federal Responsibility then All states should start BILLING them for the costs that Illegal Aliens have created in each state in the country! Lets start a new trend! If the Feds say they OWN it, then lets make them pay for that ownership!

:cool:Indiana's budget director calculates illegal immigrants have cost Indiana $130.9 million.

Budget Director Adam Horst sent Congress a bill for the amount Friday as required under Indiana's illegal immigration law passed last year by the General Assembly.

Congress is not expected to act on the request, however.

Indiana's law was modeled on the 2010 Arizona illegal immigration bill whose key provisions were struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court on Monday. Indiana's law also is being challenged in court.

Horst estimated $110.6 million of the state's illegal immigrant costs have been for K-12 education. He estimated prison costs at $12.3 million and welfare costs at nearly $8 million.

Link :Indiana sends Congress tab for illegal immigration | 2012-06-29 | Indianapolis Business Journal | IBJ.com

Cities, counties and states have sent bills to the federal government,

but they can't make them pay.

EXAMPLES:

http://www.alipac.us/f12/san-bernard...-funds-260175/

http://www.alipac.us/f12/capps-fight...rogram-260294/

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Originally Posted by JohnDoe2

Cities, counties and states have sent bills to the federal government,

but they can't make them pay.

EXAMPLES:

http://www.alipac.us/f12/san-bernard...-funds-260175/

http://www.alipac.us/f12/capps-fight...rogram-260294/

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Then pass a Bill that Mandates that they pay. Or bring suit agains the Feds by the states! A united effort by states could be a big win! Remember, it is ALL ABOUT THE MONEY! ALL THE TIME....

From the other post here I personally know Tim D. from our border group in CA, if states got to gether and did this PUBLICALLY as an embarrassment to the administration, that htey have broken another promise.

well as I said befor this is all obama doing & you know this . & as for all of you illegaL immigrant you all
know you can not vote . & he only want you in Our country for your vote you are Not a usa Citzien at all
so don't be a fool . in my book he is not fit to be Our President at all . if gov jan or joe run then I said yes
they are for the USA
No amensty Or dream act

Cities , counties and states can't make the federal government do anything because federal law takes presedence over state, county and city laws.

Supremacy Clause - Wikipedia

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It assures that the Constitution and federal laws and treaties take precedence over state law and binds all judges to adhere to that principle in their courts.

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Originally Posted by JohnDoe2

Cities , counties and states can't make the federal government do anything because federal law takes presedence over state, county and city laws.

Supremacy Clause - Wikipedia

Supremacy Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It assures that the Constitution and federal laws and treaties take precedence over state law and binds all judges to adhere to that principle in their courts.

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Then SUE the Federal Government!

Not only can states sue the Federal government, if enough of them agree (38) the states could abolish the Federal government and create a new government to replace it.

The Federal government can exist only with the "consent" of the states.

That consent was given through the Constitution by ratification of the Constitution by the states and that consent can be taken away by amendment to the Constitution by the states who have full authority over the Charter and the states can amend it without consent from the Federal government.

It would be great if the federal government would pay for all of the illegal aliens in every city, county and state jail and prison, and all of the other expenses for ALL illegal aliens too.

BUT

The federal government is many TRILLIONS of dollars in debt, and people are yelling for the goverment to stop spending, so where would the federal government get the money to pay for all of this spending?

The only money any govrnment has is that which it takes from people as taxes, fines and fees.

If they raise taxes, fines and fees it all comes from THE PEOPLE.

A new government would still have to get all of the money from the people.

We all know that the government spends way way to much for anything it wants, cut some of the waste in programs, Cut down the EPA, the IRS, and a bunch of the Foriegn Aid just to start them pay the states. Giving in is NOT an option. Throwing up our arms and saying it can't be done is not an option. If the will of the people want it enough we can elect those who feel the same and make a change.

We should be careful with this one. If we can force the feds to pay for illegal immigrants and the problems they cost the states, then states might be able to force the government to pay for illegals as aid for illegals too. States should be able to expect the feds to help them with the cost of illegal immigration but only if the states can prove they are enforcing the law against illegal immigrants and especially if the states themselves can show laws against illegal immigration.

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Originally Posted by pkskyali

We should be careful with this one. If we can force the feds to pay for illegal immigrants and the problems they cost the states, then states might be able to force the government to pay for illegals as aid for illegals too. States should be able to expect the feds to help them with the cost of illegal immigration but only if the states can prove they are enforcing the law against illegal immigrants and especially if the states themselves can show laws against illegal immigration.

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BUT as we all learned this week, it is the Feds responsibility to enforce the Laws of Immigration; hence the FEDS are responsible to protect US Citizens Equally and all. Thus the federal governmenth as openly NOW said that they OWN it, and if they OWN it they have to pay forit. If the states were to own the protection of its borders they would have State Troopers, or a State Police or Guard to protect its sovereign borders from any country, But they don't and CAN'T the feds say so. You cannot have it both ways, and the FEDS said that this week. Immigration is a FEDERAL issue,and thus they OWN it lock stock and Caboose! And actually I am glad; this relieves the states and imposes a clear and precise area of enforcement. Now to force the Feds into doing it is the biggest problem I see. But again if the FEDS are publically SHAMED by the STATES collectively and by the citizens collectively it could make a difference.

I see that the Feds now have made it clear they OWN Immigration enforcement Period!

So, again if you OWN it you FUND IT!

If I own my home, I protect it!

Ken

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Originally Posted by dregerk

BUT as we all learned this week, it is the Feds responsibility to enforce the Laws of Immigration; hence the FEDS are responsible to protect US Citizens Equally and all. Thus the federal governmenth as openly NOW said that they OWN it, and if they OWN it they have to pay forit. ...

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Ken

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I get you, but I think the SC decision is gibberish and can be ignored. It served to strike down some existing laws, but I'll bet it doesn't have the teeth to prevent new ones exactly like the ones it struck down. It's basically saying two different things at the same time. I hardly think it serves as any kind of argument against any new state laws enforcing against illegal immigration.

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Go Hoosiers! Indiana Sends Congress the Bill for the Cost of Illegal Aliens

By John Hill on July 1, 2012

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Indiana is sick and tired of illegal aliens, and sicker still of the Federal failure to do something about them.

Last year they passed their own version of Arizona’s immigration law – which included mandatory E-Verify for all businesses, with penalties, verification of immigration status when passing out state welfare benefits, and a ban on the acceptance of Mexico’s fraud-friendly “Matricula Consular” card. Part of the law was blocked by a Federal judge, but the bulk remains in effect.

Part of that law also requires the state to calculate the annual cost of illegal aliens to the state – and bill Washington, D.C. for it. This year’s cost? $130.9 million.

Budget Director Adam Horst sent Congress a bill for the amount Friday. Congress is not expected to act on the request, however. It’s not like Indiana is asking to fund a bridge to nowhere or a Chinese wind turbine company.

Horst estimated $110.6 million of the state’s illegal immigrant costs have been for K-12 education. He estimated prison costs at $12.3 million and welfare costs at nearly $8 million.

And officials acknowledge that this estimate may in fact understate the actual cost by as much as 5 times! This, because school officials are not permitted to ask the immigration status of children in school, as Alabama’s HB56 mandates. Nor have officials yet obtained a recent estimate of illegal alien welfare access under the new law, or estimate welfare fraud or identity theft costs by illegal aliens. and most significantly, the figures do not take into account the anchor babies of illegal aliens and their massive cost to the state.

Our good friends at the Federation for American Immigration Reform FAIR have crunched those numbers, and their estimate for Indiana (2009) was a staggering $608.5 million – for a single state!

In all, FAIR estimates that illegal aliens cost the United States a mind-boggling $113 BILLION each and every year – far more than the annual estimated cost of the entire ObamaCare program. Gateway states like Arizona are hit especially hard, sunk by illegals to the tune of $2.5 billion a year.

In the recent U.S. Supreme Court ruling on S.B. 1070, Justice Anthony Kennedy asserted that immigration was to be governed by Federal laws, based upon the Constitution’s granting of the power of “naturalization” to the Congress.
However Kennedy’s ruling has a clear flip side, another section of the Constitution that – if the Court compelled its enforcement – would make laws like Arizona’s and Indiana’s completely unnecessary…Article IV, Section 4:

“The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,and shall protect each of them against invasion….”

We urge every other state to do what Indiana has done, and send their bills for illegal aliens to Washington, D.C. – but not to stop there. They need to SUE the Federal government for these costs, and to force the Feds to obey the charge our Founders commanded – SECURE THE BORDERS. Kennedy’s ruling sets a clear precedent to support such lawsuits.

Tell YOUR state representatives and Governor to demand Washington bureaucrats do their jobs to protect the states from illegal aliens, drug and human smugglers, gangs and “OTM” terrorists – secure the borders now, or pay the price.

source: Go Hoosiers! Indiana Sends Congress the Bill for the Cost of Illegal Aliens | Stand With Arizona

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ADDED STAND WITH ARIZONA ARTICLE TO ALIPAC HOMEPAGE News with amended title ..

http://www.alipac.us/content.php?r=7...art-doing-this

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Originally Posted by pkskyali

I get you, but I think the SC decision is gibberish and can be ignored. It served to strike down some existing laws, but I'll bet it doesn't have the teeth to prevent new ones exactly like the ones it struck down. It's basically saying two different things at the same time. I hardly think it serves as any kind of argument against any new state laws enforcing against illegal immigration.

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Haven't read the SC one yet.....so I can't say anything about it...sorry.

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Not only should the states bill the Feds, the Feds should start billing the countries of origin. If we are going to provide a social safety net for some other countries' citizens, the least those countries should do is chip in and bear the major burden of the costs.

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Originally Posted by 4thHorseman

Not only should the states bill the Feds, the Feds should start billing the countries of origin. If we are going to provide a social safety net for some other countries' citizens, the least those countries should do is chip in and bear the major burden of the costs.

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Or just take it out of the MILLIONS WE give to those countries!

[QUOTEOr just take it out of the MILLIONS WE give to those countries! ][/QUOTE]

Yup, or take it out via the free trade agreements, i.e., either add a tariff to each country's exports to us equal to the cost that country's citizens have cost us, or just confiscate goods; at the port equal to those costs.

They Come To America The Cost of Illegal Immigration 2012

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Currently, Santa Clara does not detain illegal immigrants arrested for a crime unless ICE pays for the hold - which it refuses to do.

http://www.alipac.us/f12/ca-report-s...aliens-291430/