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I have said this all along. If illegal aliens are forced to go to the Feds to get a birth certificate, they won't apply for it. For one thing, it's not a state's responsibility to see that these people get birth certificates, anyway. The feds keep saying illegal immigration is the federal government's job, so let them do the job.
It is absolutely imperative to stop illegal aliens from giving birth in this country.
The number one way they are bankrupting the states is through the medical care, birth costs, benefits given after the birth, and subsequent education of their U.S. born children. Stop anchor baby citizenship and a huge burden will be lifted from American taxpayers.
Bowman, I do not believe I said, nor implied that the 14th Amendment allows states to decide who is a citizen and who is not. The 14th Amendment conveys US citizenship to those born on US soil. This state initiative cannot supersede that , so the erroneous interpretation of the 14th Amendmenst still remains.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowman
As I also stated, if enough states pass such legislation, the Supreme Court might be inclined to hear this issue. However, there are a few stops along the way before it ever reaches the Supreme Court, and even then, the Supreme Court may choose to view this issue narrowly and not even touch the 14th Amendment issue. The Court could simply rule on whether or not states can pass legislation denying birth certificates to those born in this country. It all depends on how the issue is framed and what those challenging this legislation ask the court to review.
Anything could happen along the way. But it's a great first step to hopefully resolving this issue once and for all. I'm just happy that illegal invaders are facing the possibility of being cut off in this state! Anything else that comes of this is simply an added bonus!
Actually the 14th amendment states "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." When you read the debates regarding this amendment, all were in agreement that "subject to the jurisdiction thereof," meant that they have no other loyalties.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoBueno
How do you know the current misuse of the 14th Amendment will continue, since the Supreme Court has never ruled on this issue. Their only ruling was in 1898 which gave birthright citizenship to the children of legal Asian immigrants.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoBueno
Also, did you know that "Indians not taxed" did not receive birthright citizenship until 1924, and that resulted from an act of Congress, not a Supreme Court decision. The notion that the 14th Amendment gives US citizenship to everyone born on US soil is patently false, but it has been propagandized that way by the globalist media. As Ted Hayes said, the 14th Amendment was for freed African slaves, not illegal alien babies.
Bowman, I do not know that the current erroneous interpretation of the 14th Amendment will continue, as your correct, the Supreme Court has not considered this issue. Please try to understand what i'm saying. Even if this legislation passes, and without an act of Congress and without Supreme Court intervention, the erroneous interpretation of the 14th Amendment will continue. Do you understand?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowman
I'm well aware of the 14th Amendment and it's original intent. Conveying citizenship to the spawn of those who entered this country in violation of our immigration laws was not that intent! Please understand, that I understand that to be the case. We are running in circles here!
An act of Congress would be fantastic. But I will not hold my breath on that one. So what we are left with are individual states who have decided to deal with this issue as they see fit.
Eventually, the Supreme Court may get involved. Until such time, we are where we are.
Please tell me this will be retroactive. The worst gangbangers/welfare queens are the entitlement minded anchor babies.
It won't be eventually, the opposition (MALDEF, ACLU, etc.) has said they will sue to stop implementation of this initiative the day after is passes. The initiative backers then will take it all the way to the Supreme Court, so we will get a ruling one way or the other. If the Supremes rule against us, the backers hope the publicity will get enough public support to force Congress to pass a law ending the practice.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoBueno
So while the initiative will not directly end misuse of the 14th Amendment, it has a good chance of indirectly ending it.
I swear, I love this country. I've said a hundred times I would have been shot in another country for flapping my jaws AND being female in most every country on the planet.
Where else can people keep standing up for what is right? And, they eventually listen if you have fairness and the truth on your side. We have to work on all the idiots in Washington. I think they are scared myself. They have been thrown into a tizzy over how the internet has moved their actions through every home in America in about 15 seconds. They don't have a clue how to deal with it. This current administration and their activities, as far as I'm concerned, is just an indication that Washington is trying to catch up. They are not doing a very good job. And us telling them just makes them keep dancing. Just the fact that we get copies of their new bills to read almost as fast as they do. AND we read them and they don't makes them look like boobs.
LET'S VOTE THE DOPES OUT.
I'm trying to get back to California, this is such great news for me.
I certainly hope it progresses as you have predicted Bowman. I have a few questions though. What's the 9th Circuit going to do and will that have any affect on how the case progresses? What about the U.S. Court of Appeals? And what affect will that have on Petition for Writ of Certiorari? In your opinion, does it matter who actually Petitions for Writ of Certiorari in so far as how this issue will be presented to the Supreme Court? Are you certain the Supreme Court will grant the Writ of Certiorari?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowman