Printable View
I met today a Russian nurse in one of the hospitals , we started talking and she shared with me the opinion of Russian Legal immigrants on the situation in the country .
She said - I do not understand how people do not see - that Bush is gradually bringing communism in the country . It starts slowly , like tsunami and then it will destroy everything on its way .
HOPE, do you also think that bush is bringing communism into the country?Quote:
that Bush is gradually bringing communism in the country . It starts slowly , like tsunami and then it will destroy everything on its way .
Yes , and I am amazed that that Russian lady repeated my thoughts so clearly .
Why do you think that it's only bush who's bringing communism into the USofA?
Isn't it possible that communism has infiltrated our country some time ago and is excelerating now into plain view?
Communism is a very evil and hypocritical thing . It is hiding behind the most beautiful ideas , it is turning people into fearful zombies - zombies - because they are non-dead , posess no will and soul , fearful - because they are afraid of their own shadow .
Example : when I was in high school it was mandatory - everybody had to be a Komsomol member / this means a young communist / .
I always disliked this herd feeling and I refused to join . In my school in the last grade I was the only one who did not belong to this party and my principal was chasing me around reprimanding on a daily basis .
Eventually , I went to apply for college and I was told that if I do not belong to the Party I will not be able to enter college even if my grades are good .
This is a very benign example from everyday life when someone lives during that regimen . You can compare it only with a concentration camp .
And these May 1 parades - I had many years of marching in school to show
" solidarity for the oppressed workers " .
Maybe you misunderstood me Hope.
These are the questions that I asked:
Quote:
Why do you think that it's only bush who's bringing communism into the USofA?
Isn't it possible that communism has infiltrated our country some time ago and is excelerating now into plain view?
There are many other senators and people supporting Bush in his endeavors .
The idea of communism was developed a few centuries ago - it did not
" infiltrate " the country . It was always there , but there are times when people get especially receptive to it , because it sounds very attractive and convenient for their own goals .
In US people were taught that they should be nice to everyone , embrace every nation and protect everybody's rights .
If you take this very very positive idea and twist it around , then you can justify the existance of gay marriages , illegal immigrants , sexual predators .....
You can call all of them " poor oppressed people with some problems " , who had probaly a lot of bad experience in the past
Again - driving through the red light is WRONG , no matter what is the motivating reason or excuse
Well then, Hope, if as you say, "The idea of communism was developed a few centuries ago - it did not " infiltrate " the country . It was always there,"Quote:
Originally Posted by hope2006
Then your original comment about "bush bringing communism into this country" would be incorrect.
Which is it then? Bush is bringing communism into the USA OR...it's always been here? :?
Both of them are correct . For the communism to develop fully you need a leader , the leader who can stand in front of the crowd of zombies and show them direction .
I do not think that Bush is a leader , I think this is a puppet . Someone is standing behind , not easily seen but smarter and stronger .
The idea is there , the leader is there , the 12 - 20 million zombies are there , now everybody is waiting for the password .
Do you know the password ? It is AMNESTY .
Hope, I understand what you're driving at, I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by hope2006
however, you're missing some very important American history in your assessment. There's at least 70 years of 20th century US history that, when understood, would alter the above statements drastically.
Communism doesn't need a "leader" for it to take root. That will become very apparent when one studies the last 70 years of the 20th century.
BTW, that "password" and others are nothing new. We've been dealing with them for a lot longer than bush's sojourn. He's but the latest of the snakes, LOL. We've had our run of them, for sure.
SIDENOTE: There is an Alipac member who is an Author and Soviet Historian. I know that he'll be interested in looking at your assessment & explanations.
But I thought you were a "Russian Legal immigrant" in this country.Quote:
Originally Posted by hope2006
Isn't that what you said in an earlier post? :roll:
Hope wrote:
NAZI Russian Leader?Quote:
She is much older than me and her mother / US citizen by birth / survived through Stalin , Nazi and the rest of Russian leaders
Who was the Nazi Russian Leader? Shoot, I don't remember any Nazi Russian leader. There was Hitler, of course........who was hated by Stalin. After Hitler, Naziism was crushed for all intents and purposes.
Mussolini, Italy, was Fascist and friend of Hitler.
Russian NAZIS? Who'd a thunk it?!
If you wnt to look for a real jumping off point for Communism in this country, it was probably the New Deal. FDR federalized all sorts of institutions, formalized a Soviet-styled education system, created a communist/ socialist wealth-redistribution scheme through progressive taxation and so-called "social programs," pushed through the first de facto federal ID number, etc. The next few administrations backtracked a bit on that trend as the Cold War heated up, but then LBJ ratcheted the Socialism back up with an even steeper progressive tax and his Great Society nonsense. Reagan, anti-Communist that he was, granted us a temporary reprieve, but the Presidents since then have seemed hell-bent of marching us back down the socialist/ communist path.
To be fair, I don't even think that Communism is the goal. It is a means to a goal. The goal appears to be more closely related to the old feudal system than Communism. After all, where has there ever been true Communism? The Marxist states have all been Socialist, with a well-defined ruling class or body. That centralization of power results in a greatly reduced number of people who must be bought in order to return to feudalism, with the banking and corporate elite playing the part of the monarchs and lords and the rest of us being indentured serfs. Given that many of the large multinational banks are owned or controlled by sitting or deposed European royalty, the idea of a new monarchical system is not at all far-fetched.
I can vouch for that because the deed to my property has the US government as the original owner. My Grandfather bought this land from the government which used it during the New Deal to experiment with Socialism. It was known as the Skyline Farms Project. Families were given an equal allottment of property, eqipment, livestock, etc. Every house built was to the exact same specs and most of the homes still stand today. You can see all the archives at the Library of Congress on this project.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost
I had never heard about that 'experiment', but my Grandfather always called FDR a 'backdoor socialist'. That was pretty inflammatory stuff in the 40's.
I am a LPR
I do go to other countries, pretty much monthly as a matter of fact. I just got back from China (Beijing, Shanghai) this week and I spent an entire winter in Moscow a few years ago. I have also been in Tokyo, Madrid, Paris, Munich, Frankfurt, and Dubai in the last few months and will be in Bangkok and London before the summer is through. Just because this country is still a better place to live than other places does not mean that it is operating as it should or that there are not severe problems in some quarters of this society and its government that must be addressed with some urgency. A guy whose house is two feet deep in flood water may be much better off than a guy whose house is under twenty feet of flood water, but that doesn't make wading from the bedroom to the bathroom a desirable condition.Quote:
Originally Posted by hope2006
Hope 2006Do you mean an LPN ?Quote:
I am a LPR , I will be a USC in 1 year
LPR- lawful permanent resident
Do you need to get permission to re-enter our country each time you leave. You said you leave the country 4-5 times per year.
Do you go to Russia each time? I hope you get some bargain air fares.
I mostly go to Russia , sometimes other countries .
I go to Russia only because of my children , otherwise I'd like to travel around more .
I do not need any permission , I have equal rights with USC except :
1- I cannot vote yet
2- I have to stay in line to get my family here / USC does not have to wait to bring the family / children or spouse/here
At least 500-600 000 people like me are waiting in line and now when the INS moved the cut off dated for visas from march 2002 to April 2001 because of the mess and uncertainty in the country there are so many people who are not just angry , they are devastated with this news .
These are people who went through all the legal hoops and pits to do things the right way and when they see what is going on , they becone very frustrated and unhappy .
There are too many people who are unhappy about Bush , that i do not know how things are still the way they are . I guess , there is nobody so far to substitute - VP does not look like some different figure
I'm still hung up here, HOPE.Quote:
Originally Posted by hope2006
How does a US Citizen wind up in the Soviet Union and then in a Nazi concentration camp? Even is she was in Soviet Union "visiting" during Stalin's time, I don't remember Stalin shipping anyone to the German Nazi Camps considering he hated Hitler as Hitler was attempting to invade the Soviet Union.
This just doesn't make sense? :? ......at least, not with my limited knowledge of the subject.
Thank you very much , now you have an idea about the Communism - nothing makes sense there - nobody has rights , even a USC was not able to pass through the " iron curtain " , you just do not understand - there are NO rights in communism - everybody is a zomby - speechless , fearful . If you live during communism and you open your mouth - you will just dissapear .
Do you remember , there was no religion in Russia at that time - everybody has to be an atheist . My grandmother was a math teacher - she never went to church until she retired , because if someone saw her in church - the math teacher - she would be in jail and out of job . She used to pray behind the closed door , this is how I learned about religion .
That is why people start swearing when they hear this " poor oppressed undocumented workers " story
I think I can explain this, Sis. It's called a web of confusion or better known as a tangled mess. :lol:
We'll get to the bottom of it, not to worry ! 8)
Hope 2006Yet you just recently claimed that the Russian woman at the hospital told you that we need to legalize the illegal immigrants and that the American people do not see that Communism is coming and you said that she thought George Bush was ushering it in.Quote:
That is why people start swearing when they hear this " poor oppressed undocumented workers " story
Remember ? Do you remember that 2ndamendsis asked you if you also thought George Bush was ushering in Communism ?
I think I need to go back and read over everything that you've written, I'm finding you to be a bit confusing, and I'm sure that would not be your intent.....would it ? :?
Please , read it again
LegalUScitizen,
I cannot find that forum where the FLIMEN was presenting its program ,
I wanted to look at it again and I lost it . I email them at two addresses
marsha@flimen.org and another one / it is in my mailbox/
I am trying to learn more about the politics and this site is very helpful . I would like to do something , for example LPR waiting for their families can protest too , even if they cannot vote yet .
I can make a site , but I'd prefer to use something already existing and help to consolidate the efforts .
I hope they / Flimen / will contact me soon , maybe there is something going on for the 4th of july
Well HOPE, you have no idea if I do or do not have any idea about communism. You also might want to go back and read "Crocketsghost" to gather a little more about American history. His synopsis is well worth the read although he can actually track it further back than FDR.Quote:
Originally Posted by hope2006
Although it's extremely sad and not an unusual story concerning your grandmother, we were speaking of the Russian woman you met in the hospital and the fact that the information you posted doesn't make sense, at least to me.
The inconsistancy lies here: A US Citizen in the Soviet Union during WWII when Stalin, who was at war with Hitler & Germany, supposedly sent her to a Nazi German Camp. Had this woman, who I am ASSUMING was Jewish although that may or may not be accurate, been put into a Soviet Camp, that would have been feasible. Having Stalin give her to the Nazis is NOT feasible.
Putting this confusion aside and getting back to the main issue........
Either communists "infiltrated" {yes, infiltrated} the US or Bush is ushering it in. It's one or the other. What's your pick?
She was not given to Nazi by Stalin , she came to Russia during his time , married to a Russian citizen and while they were trying to leave WW2 started , she lived in Ukraine - part of former Soviet Union . You do not have to be a Jewish to go the concentration camp - they took regular people too , after war ended she returned back to her family and tried to immigrate to US for many years . But until " perestroika " the borders were closed for people , even now many people who work in military and space business are not allowed to live the country .
She immigrated to US about 10 years ago , I will see her daughter tomorrow and I can ask the very details . I know she has a stamp on her arm - Nazi put the stamp on all concentration camp prisoners . She is a very old lady , so a lot of history to learn
About Bush and communism - we can say - it infiltrated the country from before and Bush is bringing it to life , trying every day the hardest he can , because he is running out of time too
Wow , this is a good practice for me . I hope , I can apply it for something useful
What Hope meant is that she wonders why the Americans don't understand that we should NOT be worrying about the poor oppressed illegal aliens...we should be worrying about America...we all know that the Mexicans are socialists...and they will be as long as Americans are paying for everything...by the time they change their minds we will be deep into communism...
I agree with Crockett's Ghost that the jumping off point for socialism in our country started with FDR....or really got a boost with FDR...he was such a socialist...
And then here comes Johnson and his Great Society...what a mess...what an expensive worthless mess...enter the years of liberalism...astonishing government spending...breathtaking destruction of our rights...
MJ
Since we're on the subject, take a look at this site http://www.freedomtofascism.com/
There is a difference in Globalism and communism, HOPE. You might want to look East to NY towards those that breathed renewed life into communism and back to the League of Nations to find the footprints.Quote:
Originally Posted by hope2006
Bush is a globalist. He's simply using that which already exists.
I loved their objectives...they're right in line with my hoped-for objectives. One of the best things that we could do for this country is get the hell out of the Federal Reserve. That's how they're robbing us...and it's also one of the reasons that JFK was assassinated...he wanted to get us out of that...
Back to the gold standard where the politicos have to stop manupulating ( and robbing us) via inflation and recessions.
I really liked that site...I can hardly wait for the movie...thank you for posting that link...
Annnnd...we need to get the UN out of the US...
MJ
No problem, I'm not a big fan of the federal reserve or the un either.
Hi Hope2006,Quote:
Originally Posted by hope2006
He may run out of time, but :evil: Hillary (or McCain) :evil: will have 2 presidential terms to transition us to
North America Union ---> New World Order ---> Communism ---> One World Governance
or maybe the sequence is...
N. America Union ---> Communism ---> NWO ---> One World Governance
or maybe the sequence is...
N. American Union ---> The Communist Dictatorship of the New World Order
Well, I'm worst case'ing it; there are media predictions out there of a Hillary victory, it is very likely that the Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) will inject vast funds into her campaign. Liberal Republicans will quietly support her. I hope to hell I'm wrong in these horrible predictions. But given the mass voter registrations of illegals at the mob demonstrations, and given that the illegal's handlers support Hillary, we gotta worst-case these scenarios.Quote:
What makes you think either will win?
I want to be dead wrong about all this.
Coto
The problem, Coto, is that just about every single front-runner for the Presidency will be a member of the CFR or other globalist organization. We made the foolish error of granting a private banking cartel the authority to create (fake) money out of thin air, and now that cartel has created enough of that fake money to pretty much own everything, including our politicians. Even more outrageous is the credit/ debit system, wherein, lacking real money, credits are created by monetizing your signature, which is then bartered by creditors. They never actually pay any of the merchants with whom you use your credit, but merely offer them credits to your debits. You, on the other hand, have to pay real markers earned by your labor for those ephemeral debits (plus interest!). The upshot of all this is that the banking/credit establishment owns this government and it owns us. Let us not forget the words of Baron Mayer Rothschild, father of our current fraudulent banking system, when he said, "Give me control of a nation's currency and I care not who makes the laws."
I hate to say it, but we have to face the very real fact that our system is broke, and it ain't gonna be fixed any time soon. Most Americans are hopelessly in debt to the point that they will never see black ink on their personal ledger. Beyond their personal debt, they have unwittingly attached themselves to the federal bankruptcy via the franchise created by the SSN. Every credit or loan transaction represents a new debt that someone, by definition, will be unable to repay, given that new currency is created only when someone takes out a loan, but that repayment requires the return of all that currency PLUS interest. Since the Fed uses a fractional reserve system, everything above the interest payment is pure profit for the banking cartel. The result is that we have mortgaged our entire nation. So sure are the banks of our individual insolvency that they no longer release equitable title for property they finance, but rather provide only legal title while retaining equitable title. Same with your automobile. You never receive equitable title, even after the loan is paid off, but rather receive only certificate of title. This is true even if you pay cash, unless of course you happen to know the legal workaround.
What this means is that we have been defrauded out of an entire nation, and now interests contrary to our own are boldly calling the shots. Regardless of what we consider our status to be, as far as they are concerned, we are tenants and they are landlords. If we ever want our nation back, we are eventually going to have to take it. Because the government and the courts are bought and paid for, we will never prevail by simply proving that we have been defrauded. A prime example is Amendment XVI. The robber barons and thieving bankers were hell-bent on gaining access to our private property through prohibited direct taxation, so even though the amendment never garnered passage from enough states to pass, Congress simply pretended that it passed and the rest is history. When researchers produced the proof from the archives of enough states that rejected the amendment that proved it had not passed, the courts refused to rule on the case, calling it a "political issue." Similarly, the Supreme Court ruled in Brushaber v Union Pacific RR that, because the prohibition on an unapportioned direct tax had never been repealed, the new amendment could not create a new direct tax, but rather more narrowly defined an excise tax. This view was upheld in Eisner v Macomer, So. Pacific v Lowe, Staples v U.S., Conner v U.S., and a long list of other cases. Now folks, the tax as currently administered cannot be an excise tax, and the courts have said so. Yet you will find yourself in quite a pickle if you try to fight the IRS on the legitimacy of its theft (unless you really know the ropes). Worse yet, even though this nation's courts have clearly stated that the "income tax" as administered is not the tax ostensibly approved by Amendment XVI, and despite the fact that your government understands and is complicit in the entrapment scheme that actually facilitates the IRS's activities as a collection agent for foreign banks, good luck getting any of your friendly government employees to admit anything. What you have to eventually wrap your head around is that "your" government is no longer your government. That is not to say that every individual sent to Washington D.C. is part of the scam, but those who are not have no power and those who are have a death grip on the operation of this nation.
The long and short of it is that if we want to get our country back, we not only will have no help from our elected officials, but will actually be working against them on opposite sides of the struggle. I think that most Americans are too conceited to admit that they have been conned right out of their inheritance, but occasionally things like this immigration abomination may serve as eye-openers. I don't know what it's going to take to wake our citizens from their somnambulistic trance, but it had better happen soon.