Thread: Is this the pink elephant - A real discussion.

I am not intending to get flamed, nor create issue. I am trying to understand the issues of wars, open borders, failed monetary system, the european union, and the move towards the North American Union - concepts of NWO.

I look at our leaders and who dictates to them. I recently became aware of Pelosi' removing a bit of legislation from a bill that would of required the administration to get congress approval before bombing Iran (Pelosi removed it at the insistence of AIPAC - the israeli lobby).

I see and read who is pulling the strings on Bush, who is in "charge" of the borders (Chertoff - dual citizenship with Israel) and other Bush notables. Also, who owns the majority of the MSM (Main Stream Media).

When you looking at the banking industry, the media industry and those who have the ear of the president, it seems obvious. This is not something I am making up. It is well researched and documented. Whenver you look to research these things, usually one is called a bigot or anti-semite thus shutting down all discussions.

I am truly curious if all these isues (see above) is attributed to a zionistic agenda.

www.jewwatch.com

that site is very definitive in its research. My mind is not made up, but I am finding too many coincidences going on. Having an "ally" in a country is one thing, destroying america do make sure this "ally" is "protected" etc.. seems, well - excessive.

I am bringing this up because I feel our border issue/problems is somewhat connected to our issues of soveriegnty, our monetary issues etc.. when the media and those in power give us Obama, and McCain -- something fishy is up. We are seeing a distinct reduction in Americans who believe in an afterlife/christ. Our moral fiber is diminishing at a fast rate -- when a country looses itself and its identify, it is ripe for the picking and for the control.

I think that you are imputing too much cohesion to the Jews and that you are confusing a vocal faction with the center consensus of the community. If you look at the critics of the Zionist movement there are a great many Jews there as well. If you look at the ADL you see cynical real politikal support of La Raza, MALDEF and LULAC but Dan Stein and Ira Mehlman are Jews also.

correct, the assumption isn't that "all" jews are part of this cabal to rest control of america - but rather "some", but jews nonetheless WITH far right christians who believe in all of that.

When you look at the founders of neo-conservatism, almost all former liberal jews who went right because they could achieve their ends that way. The Repubs wanted war and so did the "neocons" but for different reasons.

You can pretty much draw a conclusion and parallel with this countries ills (to such an extent), as the rise of neo-conservatism (and the subsequent hijacking of the republican party) with the open borders, unjustified wars, collapse of the monetary system, nwo, nau, soveriegnty issues etc...

There is a definitive correlation in my mind.

But I agree, not all jews are Zionists. I am really speaking about them. The same types that almost destroyed russia.

The realization of the Zionist dream is exemplified by more than four million Jews, from more than 100 countries, including dark-skinned Jews from Ethiopia, Yemen and India, who are Israeli citizens. Approximately 1,000,000 Muslim and Christian Arabs, Druze, Baha'is, Circassians and other ethnic groups also are represented in Israel's population.

Just what part of Zionism is so terrible?

So I guess it's not radical Islam and terrorists and their stated goal to control the world, we have to be concerned with....it's the Jews. Successful races, like successful people are hated and/or envied. Jewish people, as prophesied, sure get more than their share of hate and loathing. The only thing common to Jewish people are their heritage and Israel.....otherwise they are just a different in goals, spirituality, etc. as anybody else.

Today's Republican party is the product of Irving Kristol much more than it is of Russell Kirk or F.A. Hayek. And since Kristol was a Trotskyist for much of his life - especially in his formative years - I guess it should come as no surprise that any political movement he influenced should feature a distinct flavor of Trotsky's internationalist viewpoint.

Try listening to Americans who call into C-Span's Washington Journal each moring 7:00 - 10:00 ET, and you'll see just how many of them are awakening to the "pink elephant in the room" concept that the original poster mentions.

Congratulations! You're waking up!! Keep reading and you'll connect more dots. Both parties in this country are just puppets on a string now. Dismaying. But this will end. Americans will take back their country.

ANQ

Originally Posted by apropos

Today's Republican party is the product of Irving Kristol much more than it is of Russell Kirk or F.A. Hayek. And since Kristol was a Trotskyist for much of his life - especially in his formative years - I guess it should come as no surprise that any political movement he influenced should feature a distinct flavor of Trotsky's internationalist viewpoint.

yes, that is what I am getting at.

Originally Posted by AmericansNeverQuit

Try listening to Americans who call into C-Span's Washington Journal each moring 7:00 - 10:00 ET, and you'll see just how many of them are awakening to the "pink elephant in the room" concept that the original poster mentions.

Congratulations! You're waking up!! Keep reading and you'll connect more dots. Both parties in this country are just puppets on a string now. Dismaying. But this will end. Americans will take back their country.

ANQ

Ya...I like that!

Call it 'fuzzy logic' if you want but I do hope the Jews awaken to their true Messiah, Jesus Christ. Sure, Jews are brillliant people---like Einstein for example--but their brilliance may also come across as abrasiveness and arrogance. I guess they can't be faulted for being very smart, unless it is turned to an evil purpose, but when this is combined with zealous nationalism then it becomes a powderkeg of reciprocal antagonism. They need to temper their brilliance with a gentle spirit.

Every culture has people who are genuinely humble--so when these people are injured by some other group's arrogant behavior zealots will rush to their defense. I'm not saying the Jews haven't suffered injustices themselves; but had not the Nazi holocaust have occurred they would probably still be scattered around the world, integrated in other cultures. They should take some of their combined brilliance and solve their own problems with other cultures.

I will interject my own thoughts and what I have learned from educated, Biblical scholars.

I believe the Jewish people to be the chosen of God. Now what I have understood is that God knows their faults, and their failings, now and of course in the past, He knew before He even chose them, they would fail Him time and again.

Still He chose them and has been using them as an example for thousands of years. Is it becasue they are perfect? Hardly, He knows they are not, but what they have lacked in perfection, they have shown a strong cohesiveness to their faith in God and have maintained that for a long time.

Whatever else God had used them for, to His own purpose, is something we all can learn from, He used the Jewish people to bring about Jesus Christ through. So this means, that those of us who are beleivers in God must, no matter our own skeptisism at times, respect God's choice, and accept His perfect knowledge.

My one example of someone of the Jewish faith/nationality is an older couple my friend cleans house for. They are the most considerate and honest people. My friend does not drink alcohol, as per myself either, due to personal faith convictions. This couple had her clean after a family gathering, where there was alcohol, and he asked her ahead of time if she was ok with cleaning up wine bottles and/or beer containers, he told her he did not want her to be offended or have to handle them is she was bothered by it.

Just this alone told me that an idea of someones faith or nationality in this case, is not warranted, when it comes to a perception that there is some hidden and known agenda within the Jewish peoples across the world. This couples kindness and consideration for my friends beliefs alone is evidence there is little to that idea. I do believe there may be a lot of people in power, and as with any others, can be corrupted by power, who may be Jewish, but it does not mean others are "with them" in it and have some sort of world conspiracy going.

Coincidences can lead to a belief that there is some sort of thread among those coincidences. Logic can overcome that, along with realizing , no man, no matter their religion or nationality is perfect.