Donald Trump Donated Heavily To Democrats, Especially During Election Which Put Reid

Donald Trump Donated Heavily To Democrats, Especially During Election Which Put Reid And Pelosi In Power

CHUCK ROSS
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12:08 AM 06/03/2015

While it has been an open secret for several years that Donald Trump was once a heavy Democratic donor, a deeper analysis of campaign records shows that the real estate billionaire’s contributions skewed even further left during the 2006 mid-term election, the crucial contest that put Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi in power and arguably helped pave the way for Barack Obama’s political agenda.
Between 1989 and 2010, The Donald gave $314,300 to Democratic groups and candidates and $290,600 to Republicans, according to a Daily Caller analysis of records maintained by the Center for Responsive Politics.

But Trump’s donation gap was even larger during the mid-2000s, which saw the end of Republican congressional majorities and the ascendance of the Democratic party.

Overall in the 2006 election cycle, Trump and his son, Donald Trump Jr., donated $77,200 to Democrats versus only $24,250 on Republicans. Looking back to the 2004 cycle, the pair donated $40,500 to Democrats and only $17,250 to the GOP.

A large share of Trump’s donations to Democrats were given to congressional committees dedicated specifically to gaining majority control of Congress. And that they did. Democrats took control of both houses of Congress for the first time since 1994 by gaining 31 seats in the House and increasing the Democratic caucus in the Senate by six.

Records show that in June 2006, Trump donated $20,000 to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. That was in addition to the $5,000 he sent in April 2005 to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. At the same time, Trump Jr. gave the two Democratic committees a total of $22,500.

While the Trumps spent nearly $50,000 to elect congressional Democrats, they donated only $1,000 to the National Republican Congressional Committee (NRSC).

But perhaps the worst outcome that election for Republicans was that Pelosi and Reid became Speaker of the House and Senate Majority Leader, respectively. The pair made a formidable team and did heavy lifting to ensure that Obama was elected in 2008 and that much of his agenda — including Obamacare — was put in place.

If Trump does choose to run — a decision on which he will announce on June 16 — he’ll face a field of 15-plus Republican hopefuls. He’ll also be fighting almost immediately for the life of his campaign. The Republican National Committee has changed its rules this cycle by limiting party debates to the top 10 hopefuls in the polls. The party is taking the unprecedented move in order to limit exposure to dark horse candidates.

Trump finished eighth in a Quinnipiac poll released last week. The first debate will be held Aug. 6 and will be hosted by Fox News.
If Trump makes that debate stage and if he becomes a big enough threat to primary front-runners — former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker — his past support the GOP’s mortal political foes will almost certainly become the topic of debate.

Topping the flamboyant former TV celebrity’s roster of Democratic benefactors is scandal-plagued New York U.S. Rep. Charlie Rangel. Records show the Harlem-based Democrat has received $26,250 in Trump cash since 1989. Trump Jr., has given heavily to Rangel as well.

New York Sens. Kristen Gillibrand and Chuck Schumer have received $7,950 and $7,900, respectively, in Trump money. And two liberal lions, former Massachusetts Sens. John Kerry and Ted Kennedy, received $5,500 and $5,000.

Trump also arguably helped enable Obamacare in another way — albeit before the health law was a twinkle in any liberal’s eye. Trump supported two of its most ardent supporters in Reid and New York U.S. Rep. Anthony Weiner. He donated $7,400 to the Nevada Democrat. Among those contributions is $2,400 Trump gave Reid ahead of his contentious 2010 run against Sharron Angle, a tea party favorite.

Trump also gave $4,300 to Weiner, a dogged supporter of Obamacare who was forced to resign his seat following a sexting scandal.

Since its passage, Trump has called Obamacare “a filthy lie” and said that it would shut down the country. Though Obamacare was not on the radar when Trump made his donations, Democrats have long sought centralized control of the American health care system.
But perhaps most damaging to Trump’s campaign — if he chooses to embark on one — is the money he’s given to Hillary Clinton and other Clinton family endeavors. Trump donated more than $4,100 to the likely Democratic nominee in 2002, 2005, 2006 and 2007, records show. Trump Jr. gave the former first lady $6,100 in 2006 and 2007.

Those donations pale in comparison to other support Trump has given the Clinton empire. It was recently revealed that he gifted the Clinton Foundation at least $100,000, according to the Clinton Foundation website. The always outspoken Trump defended the donation, saying that the Clintons “kissed [his] ass” for the dough.

Trump’s donations to high-profile Democrats isn’t limited to those on the national stage. Not included in the Center for Responsive Politics’ database is a $50,000 contribution Trump gave in December 2010 to former Bill Clinton and Obama White House official Rahm Emanuel for his successful Chicago mayoral bid.

Perhaps atoning for what many Republican primary voters will consider to be grave political sins — donating to Reid, Clinton, and Schumer, who has been tapped to lead Senate Democrats when Reid retires — Trump has contributed $358,700 exclusively to Republicans since 2011, mostly in large-dollar donations to political action committees.

It was around that time that Trump became a vocal critic of Obama’s and began seeking information about his birth certificate. The aggressive approach helped win Trump solid support among some conservatives.

Before 2011, Trump’s $290,600 in donations to Republicans went to a smattering of candidates, many of whom were from his home state of New York.

Records show Trump contributed $8,600 to Arizona Sen. John McCain, mostly for his 2008 presidential run. His second-biggest GOP benefactor wasn’t exactly a conservative stalwart. Former Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter received $8,300 from Trump between 1989 and 2008 — the year before Specter switched parties.

In 2010, Trump, who was a registered Democrat between 2001 and 2008, gave $50,000 to the Karl Rove-backed super PAC, American Crossroads. In 2012 he gave $100,000 to the Congressional Leadership Fund, a super PAC aimed at getting Republicans elected to the House.

This quote from the article on Trumps contributions: "While it has been an open secret for several years that Donald Trump was once a heavy Democratic donor, a deeper analysis of campaign records shows that the real estate billionaire’s contributions skewed even further left during the 2006 mid-term election, the crucial contest that put Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi in power and arguably helped pave the way for Barack Obama’s political agenda...."

Information like this seems to raise many more questions than it answers. Often business men are subjected to extortion from politicians and Trump may have found it necessary to contribute to Democrats to avoid obstructions to his Real Estate developments—maybe. Of course if that were true he could not say that in public. But it is disturbing that he was a registered Democrat between 2001 and 2008. He may have had a political change of mind and become a Republican.

But all of these revelations do make one suspicious of Trump. If elected will he be true to what he has been saying?

I am still angry and suspicious of him because he said the Confederate battle flag should come down in South Carolina. With that statement he legitimized the idea that the flag is a bad thing. And South Carolina was the precursor to the all out war on all things Confederate—everywhere. Does Trump agree with these latter events? Perhaps not but maybe yes; he hasn’t said. But certainly his statement added fuel to the fire.

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This quote from the article on Trumps contributions: "While it has been an open secret for several years that Donald Trump was once a heavy Democratic donor, a deeper analysis of campaign records shows that the real estate billionaire’s contributions skewed even further left during the 2006 mid-term election, the crucial contest that put Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi in power and arguably helped pave the way for Barack Obama’s political agenda...."

Information like this seems to raise many more questions than it answers. Often business men are subjected to extortion from politicians and Trump may have found it necessary to contribute to Democrats to avoid obstructions to his Real Estate developments—maybe. Of course if that were true he could not say that in public. But it is disturbing that he was a registered Democrat between 2001 and 2008. He may have had a political change of mind and become a Republican.

But all of these revelations do make one suspicious of Trump. If elected will he be true to what he has been saying?

I am still angry and suspicious of him because he said the Confederate battle flag should come down in South Carolina. With that statement he legitimized the idea that the flag is a bad thing. And South Carolina was the precursor to the all out war on all things Confederate—everywhere. Does Trump agree with these latter events? Perhaps not but maybe yes; he hasn’t said. But certainly his statement added fuel to the fire.

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An interview with Donald Trump on 9/13/2001:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoYXihwcp8c

Not so bad imo csarbww. Most voters I think actually are in the middle agreeing with some things on the Dem side and some things on the Rep side. That's where I am and most of my friends. I won't ever just support a party blindly because I'm a Rep or a Dem but look at the choices given and pick whichever is more lined with what I want. Sometimes you have a POS Dem like Reid and it would be better to give to the Rep opponent and other times you have a loon nutcase like Boehner which it would be better to support the Dem possibly.

This is why I actually see Trump as the right choice. He's middle of the road being conservative on some issues and liberal on others which is what most voters are. However most politicians these days post a very polarized view that is very hard to relate with and hard to trust because who really is All or Nothing mentality?

For me I tend to naturally side a little more Dem then Rep on classic ideals. But in what is going on today most tend to think I must be some extreme right winger because I want immigration limited big when unemployment is high, want illegal aliens gone, want welfare to only support those who can't work, and I want a stop to all this racist BS the left keeps claiming falsely.

Trump should run as an Independent, not a Republican. Either way, I doubt he'll get my support. IMO, Trump is all about Trump's ego.

As an Independent no way he would win as their would be a GOP nominee which would then be stealing to much of the vote needed for Trump to win. Bush will have his 15% followers no matter what if he's in the race and as things are now usually a close race it can't be afforded.

I'll give you Trump is very much about his ego but is Obama, Bush, Clinton any better? The ones with a chance to win are those with big power already trying to gain a lot more. I still see no choice besides Trump with any chance.

Trump is also playing the tunes just as I predicted a good candidate would as well. He speaks hard and harsh words and doesn't make his statements politically correct. That right there is a big plus to me. Plus his latest statement that he finds it impractical to deport all illegal aliens and would work towards a path for ONLY those who work hard and don't mooch the system and those who do and also are criminals will be deported for sure. Just what I would expect a good candidate to say knowing full well that when the incentives are gone for mooching and the criminals are being deported hardcore very few would be left that don't leave or are deported. The middle ground sounding words that in reality are much harsher as the liberals don't accept the truth that most are moochers and/or criminals while talking to those wanting to end all benefits to illegals and start some serious deporting.

I want him as a Republican. He may be rough around the edges and probably doesn't know the details of many of the issues but he will smooth out and he will learn the details better than anyone else, because he cares about our country and citizens. He has plenty of common sense, intelligence and from what I know from his statements over the past 30 to 40 years, an unwavering loyalty to the American People. As you know, in my book at least, those are the three top qualifiers for what we need in the next President of the United States. And Trump has them all.

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Plus his latest statement that he finds it impractical to deport all illegal aliens and would work towards a path for ONLY those who work hard and don't mooch the system and those who do and also are criminals will be deported for sure.

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BOOM! There's the bomb. Why isn't anyone raising can about this. His words prove beyond a shadow of doubt that he would grant amnesty to illegal immigrants. That comment alone should make Trump a non-starter for every single member of ALIPAC.

Isn't that the same plan Obama keeps talking about? Keep the non-felons and deport the criminals.

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I want him as a Republican. He may be rough around the edges and probably doesn't know the details of many of the issues but he will smooth out and he will learn the details better than anyone else, because he cares about our country and citizens. He has plenty of common sense, intelligence and from what I know from his statements over the past 30 to 40 years, an unwavering loyalty to the American People. As you know, in my book at least, those are the three top qualifiers for what we need in the next President of the United States. And Trump has them all.

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No amnesty supporter qualifies in my book!

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I want him as a Republican. He may be rough around the edges and probably doesn't know the details of many of the issues but he will smooth out and he will learn the details better than anyone else, because he cares about our country and citizens. He has plenty of common sense, intelligence and from what I know from his statements over the past 30 to 40 years, an unwavering loyalty to the American People. As you know, in my book at least, those are the three top qualifiers for what we need in the next President of the United States. And Trump has them all.

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JUDY
VERY WELL SAID WHAT I LIKE ABOUT TRUMP HE SAID HE LOVE OUR SERVICE MEN & LADY WHEN THEY COME HOME THEY SHOULD GET 1 MILLION DOLLAR EACH & THAT WHAT I LIKE ABOUT HIM . THEY COME HOME WITH NO LEG'S OR ARM . NO JOB'S& THEY HAVE FAMILY .ALSO .NO RESPECT AT ALL
AGAIN GOOD POST

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BOOM! There's the bomb. Why isn't anyone raising can about this. His words prove beyond a shadow of doubt that he would grant amnesty to illegal immigrants. That comment alone should make Trump a non-starter for every single member of ALIPAC.

Isn't that the same plan Obama keeps talking about? Keep the non-felons and deport the criminals.

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No, it's different. Even that won't fly and that comment won't stick if he actually made it. There's a ton of media coverage misquoting him. But, until Congress passes the bill that authorizes states to enforce US immigration law, he's right, it's not realistic. DHS won't deport. So until we have state and local law enforcement agencies involved with the resources to make the arrests and conduct the deportations, then he's right, we all know that. So, lets wait and see what Congress does, so we can know what a President can actually do with deportations.

Here are some quotes throughout his career, most I agree with, one I don't:

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Donald Trump on Immigration 2000 Reform Primary Challenger for President

Citizenship for illegal immigrants is a GOP suicide mission

Donald Trump said the Republican party will lose elections if it reforms the nation's entitlement programs and will hand Democrats 11 million votes if Congress grants citizenship to illegal immigrants, likening the reform efforts to a "suicide mission." "The fact is 11 million people will be voting Democratic. You can be out front. You can be the spearhead. You can do whatever you want to do, but every one of those 11 million people will be voting Democratic," he said. "It is just the way it works.""You have to be very, very careful, because you could say that to a certain extent the odds aren't looking so great for Republicans, that you are on a suicide mission," he said. "You are just not going to get those votes."
Source: 2013 Conservative Political Action Conf. in Washington Times , Mar 15, 2013

351,000 illegal aliens are in our prisons; costing $1.1B

America's prisons house 351,000 criminal aliens who committed a crime after having already broken the law by entering American illegally. Making taxpayers pay for 351,000 criminals who should never have been here in the first place is ridiculous. The annual price tag to incarcerate these thugs is $1.1 billion. And get this: criminal aliens have an average of seven arrests. That's at least seven crimes committed against American citizens by each of these criminals who should never have been allowed to cross our borders. One out of every three federal prison inmates is a Latino, and three quarters of these are here illegally.
Source: Time to Get Tough, by Donald Trump, p.136 , Dec 5, 2011

Anchor babies were NEVER the intent of the 14th Amendment

The root cause of all the welfare payments to illegal aliens is the so-called "anchor baby" phenomenon, which is when illegal immigrant mothers have a baby on American soil. The child automatically becomes an American citizen, Though this was NEVER the intention of the Fourteenth Amendment, which states, "All citizens born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the state wherein they reside." The clear purpose of the Fourteenth Amendment, ratified in 1868, three years after the end of the Civil War, was to guarantee full citizenship rights to now emancipated former slaves. It was not intended to guarantee untrammeled immigration to the United States. Source: Time to Get Tough, by Donald Trump, p.140-141 , Dec 5, 2011

Invite foreigners graduating from college to stay in US

Our country's leaders are just so plan stupid. As an example, foreign students come over to our colleges, learn everything there is to learn about physics, finance, mathematics, and computers, and graduate with honors. They would love to stay in this country, but we don't allow them to. We immediately ship them back to their country to use all of the knowledge they learned at the best colleges in the United States back in their country rather than keep it here in ours. When we have gifted people in this country we should cherish them and let them stay. But instead we fling our arms wide open to the lowlifes, the criminals, the people who have no intention to contribute to our country.

Wouldn't it be better if we invited foreign student graduating from our colleges to stay to build American companies, instead of foreign companies that will be wreaking havoc against Boeing, Caterpillar, and many other of our great American companies in the future?
Source: Time to Get Tough, by Donald Trump, p.145 , Dec 5, 2011

Triple-layered fence & Predator drones on Mexican border

I am impressed with the success of the double- and triple-layered fence in places like Yuma, Arizona. The wall there is a serious 20-foot wall. It has three walls separated by 75-yard "no man's lands" for border agents to zoom up and down in vehicles. It also has cameras, radio systems, radar, and pole-topped lights. After the triple-layered fence was installed, the 120-mile stretch of the US-Mexican border known as the Yuma sector experienced a 72 percent plunge in illegal immigrant apprehensions. We need to be ready to build other kinds of fences, too. The point is that properly built walls work. We just need the political will to finish the job. And by the way, finishing the job will employ a lot of construction workers. Moreover, I call on Congress and the president to hire another 25,000 border patrol agents and give them the aerial equipment they need, such as Predator drones, to provide real-time aerial reconnaissance information to agents guarding the border wall.
Source: Time to Get Tough, by Donald Trump, p.146-147 , Dec 5, 2011


Control borders; even legal immigration should be difficult

America is experiencing serious social and economic difficulty with illegal immigrants who are flooding across our borders. We simply can’t absorb them. It is a scandal when America cannot control its own borders. A liberal policy of immigration may seem to reflect confidence and generosity. But our current laxness toward illegal immigration shows a recklessness and disregard for those who live here legally. The majority of legal immigrants can often make significant contributions to our society because they have special skills and because they add to our nation’s cultural diversity. They come with the best of intentions. But legal immigrants do not and should not enter easily. It’s a long, costly, draining, and often frustrating experience-by design. I say to legal immigrants: Welcome and good luck.

It comes down to this: we must take care of our own people first. Our policy to people born elsewhere should be clear: Enter by the law, or leave.
Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p.143-45 , Jul 2, 2000

Limit new immigration; focus on people already here

Trump was firm concerning restrictions in immigration. “I’m opposed to new people coming in,” he said. “We have to take care of the people who are here.” Source: nytimes.com/library/politics , Dec 10, 1999

http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Don...mmigration.htm

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Donald Trump Defends His Immigration Stance Amid Miss Universe Controversy: 'I Don't Have a Racist Bone in My Body'

By Janine Rayford Rubenstein @JanineRayford 06/26/2015 AT 12:50 PM EDT

Amidst growing backlash over his controversial comments about Mexican immigration during his presidential campaign announcement, Donald Trump tells PEOPLE he's standing by his words.

"I love the Mexican people and have great respect for Mexico," Trump says. "But Mexico has totally taken advantage of the United States, both at the border and at trade. I'm exposing the truth."

As for the disparaging things he said about undocumented immigrants – that Mexican immigrants are "bringing drugs … they're bringing crime … they're rapists" – the real estate mogul and reality star remains unapologetic.

"There is nothing to apologize for. Many bad people are pouring through. I'm not saying just Mexican, many bad people. All you have to do is ask the border patrol," Trump says. "I don't have a racist bone in my body. I'm just exposing things that everybody knows is happening, but nobody wants to talk about."

Following his comments, Spanish-language TV station Univision announced it is "ending the company's business relationship with the Miss Universe Organization," which Trump owns. And in a statement obtained by PEOPLE, NBC, which airs the pageant in English, said "Donald Trump's opinions do not represent those of NBC, and we do not agree with his position on a number of issues, including his recent comments on immigration."

"NBC has been a tremendous friend and partner," Trump says of the network that also airs his family's reality show, The Apprentice. As for Univision, "They do most of their business in Mexico," he says. "They're trying to silence me. The border is a disaster, and they don't want me to expose that."

In the face of all this, Trump says he's still optimistic about his run to become the Republican nominee.

"I can't tell you what's going to happen six months from now," he says. "As you know the polls have been extraordinary."

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Sounds like a fighter on our issue to me.

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No, it's different. Even that won't fly and that comment won't stick if he actually made it. There's a ton of media coverage misquoting him. But, until Congress passes the bill that authorizes states to enforce US immigration law, he's right, it's not realistic. DHS won't deport. So until we have state and local law enforcement agencies involved with the resources to make the arrests and conduct the deportations, then he's right, we all know that. So, lets wait and see what Congress does, so we can know what a President can actually do with deportations.

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It's no different, either you support amnesty or you don't. The one thing I've learned after all these years is, there is no middle ground where amnesty is concerned! You're letting your like for Trump shadow your senses on this one. If he actually said what ReformUSA reported, he is an amnesty supporter! No twisting of words will change that fact!

I'm with you "MW."
"...either you support amnesty or you don't."

I am getting a headache trying to keep up with Trump. I do not trust the “news” media because they have proven to be an unreliable source for accurate information. They can spin a story and take things out of context so as to make a “no” appear as a “yes.”

So what is the truth? Did Trump really say that it is impractical to deport them? That is manifestly not true; President Eisenhower did virtually that in 1956. and it was not expensive nor difficult. Look up “Operation Wet Back.” Sorry don't mean to be "insensitive" but that is what they called it.



So is trump pandering to the Hispanic vote like all of the others? I know he said a lot of great stuff earlier but is he “evolving” and doing a 180 degree turn around?

He is already on my crap list for his insensitive insult to Southerners with Confederate ancestors when he agreed that in South Carolina the Confederate battle flag should come down. Oops, I get my double standards all mixed up. I must get this right; let’s see-- it is ok to be insensitive to Whites it is just not ok to be insensitive to Blacks. I think I got it now.

So what is the truth about Trump and the illegal immigration crisis? I am trying to persuade myself to support him but it is becoming a real challenge. It is fundamental that illegal aliens go home. If they stay that is amnesty and all other policies will be meaningless. Like closing the barn door after the horse has run off.

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It's no different, either you support amnesty or you don't. The one thing I've learned after all these years is, there is no middle ground where amnesty is concerned! You're letting your like for Trump shadow your senses on this one. If he actually said what ReformUSA reported, he is an amnesty supporter! No twisting of words will change that fact!

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No, I'm referring to this part of your statements:

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Isn't that the same plan Obama keeps talking about? Keep the non-felons and deport the criminals.

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No, it's different than Obama's plan. If those are Trump's words, he's saying he wants to deport moochers and criminals "for sure" and maybe figure something else out for some of the rest. Yes, that is amnesty and as I said in my post, if these are his comments that won't fly with me, but I also don't think he'll stick to that. I think he'll tighten it up and say they've all got to go as soon as there is a realistic means to do so, which requires Congress passing the bill that acknowledges and authorizes states rights to enforce US immigration law.

Why would you make such posts directed at me, anyway? The main reason I like Trump is because of his long-standing position on stopping illegal immigration, reducing if not stopping legal immigration and ending free trade treason. You act like you just heard of this guy and this is the first of my posts you've ever read.

If Trump supports any form of amnesty, then I won't support him. But if he's saying we can't deport them all now with what we have to work with, then he'll at least for sure deport all the moochers and criminals.

Now it may just be that Trump has done his homework and knows the statistic from CIS that more than 60% of illegal aliens are on some type of welfare which makes them "moochers", 75% from Mexico. Now if his plan is to deport more than 75% of the illegal aliens from Mexico and more than 60% of the rest who are here mooching on welfare, would you have a problem with that? And if another 20% to 30% of illegal aliens have committed crimes, not just felonies, he didn't say anything about felonies, he said criminals which means crimes which means violations of law, then that's getting pretty close to 90%. Hopefully other laws will be passed by Congress like E-Verify and the states with authorization to enforce and self-deportation will take care of the rest. Then the eeny meenie residual he would put to a merit test, which I'm sure most would fail, he would FIRE THEM and send them packing.

But please by all means show me a candidate who would do more than Trump, and I'll give him/her due consideration, because I'm still open for a dark horse.

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I'm with you "MW."
"...either you support amnesty or you don't."

I am getting a headache trying to keep up with Trump. I do not trust the “news” media because they have proven to be an unreliable source for accurate information. They can spin a story and take things out of context so as to make a “no” appear as a “yes.”

So what is the truth? Did Trump really say that it is impractical to deport them? That is manifestly not true; President Eisenhower did virtually that in 1956. and it was not expensive nor difficult. Look up “Operation Wet Back.” Sorry don't mean to be "insensitive" but that is what they called it.



So is trump pandering to the Hispanic vote like all of the others? I know he said a lot of great stuff earlier but is he “evolving” and doing a 180 degree turn around?

He is already on my crap list for his insensitive insult to Southerners with Confederate ancestors when he agreed that in South Carolina the Confederate battle flag should come down. Oops, I get my double standards all mixed up. I must get this right; let’s see-- it is ok to be insensitive to Whites it is just not ok to be insensitive to Blacks. I think I got it now.

So what is the truth about Trump and the illegal immigration crisis? I am trying to persuade myself to support him but it is becoming a real challenge. It is fundamental that illegal aliens go home. If they stay that is amnesty and all other policies will be meaningless. Like closing the barn door after the horse has run off.

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In his statement to TMZ he said the government doesn't even know how many there are, Trump said there's between 10 and 30 million. We know it's 30 million or more by now. It was 20 million 9 years ago and they've been streaming in by the millions every year.

So, can DHS deport 30 million illegal aliens? No, it can not. It can't deport 10 million illegal aliens. They deport about 1.5 million a year and over 1 million of those are those quick deportations at the border. Now with more than that coming in every year, your number grows larger every year and you never deport them all. Yes, Ike deported about 1.1 million in the first year, 250,000 in the second year and then it dwindled after that. In order to deport all illegal aliens, we have to authorize enforcement by state and local law enforcement. They have the manpower, the equipment, the training and other resources needed to do this.

Trump may not know about the plan to use state and local law enforcement, more than 800,000 sworn, trained, ready and able police officers to arrest and help deport illegal aliens. But he'll find out before this is over and with that resource, now deportation is realistic. The average arrest per officer of those 800,000 police officers is 15 per year, just a little over 1 a month. I wonder what Trump will think of that number? I think he'll be unimpressed especially when he learns that 30% of those are non-violent drug offenses, almost 1.6 million a year.

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It's no different, either you support amnesty or you don't. The one thing I've learned after all these years is, there is no middle ground where amnesty is concerned! You're letting your like for Trump shadow your senses on this one. If he actually said what ReformUSA reported, he is an amnesty supporter! No twisting of words will change that fact!

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Its not as simple as that in the political landscape and Trump knows this as anyone else who opens their eyes. To many Americans have bought into the talk that its impractical to go deporting every single illegal alien, I know this and I'd hope you know this. I know Trump knows this. Trumps words are right down the line that makes sense to someone uninformed and makes better sense to someone who is informed. I explained this earlier but will state again.

First you aim to secure the border fully, easy enough to do if the National Guard is used and take the handcuffs off. Next you start enforcing the laws in the books, any new enters are sent packing immediately (fingerprint them and kick them back... no waiting). Start deporting any illegal alien convicted of a crime starting from violent crimes or a number of convictions. As this is happening laws should be pushed through Congress to end so called sanctuary cities/states making it a crime to not assist federal officers, allowing states to assist in catching and deporting illegal aliens (even mandating it), and importantly removing ALL welfare benefits to illegal aliens including correcting the abuse of the 14th Amendment. Even the SCOTUS decision for education for children of illegal aliens can be overturned quite easily using its own words and attaching a significant cost to it. Add in to the law any illegal alien free loading will be disqualified for any possible future status and be deported with ban.

Now that alone should be able to get rid of 90-95% of illegal aliens. Either they have a criminal history that will get them deported, free loading which will get them deported, or life just isn't easy enough in the US to make it worth it to them and they will pack up and leave in mass. Add in that each family likely has a free loader, criminal, or someone who just can't manage well enough anymore (plus no more education on any level by taxpayers) and most of the problem is gone. Now at this point is when the talk of Amnesty *might* start with the very few left. However the very few left would have lost almost all of their power if not all of it and as they would once again be scared to try protesting and coming out publicly the issue becomes one not worth it. Eventually those would likely just vanish.

Trump knows if you get rid of the real bad ones, and then make life miserable for the rest without any benefits at all then the problem will take care of itself for the most part. This is why when he speaks on it his first words are always about those 2 key things, so it makes sense to say *who knows after that*.

But it is impracticle to deport every single one of them.

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Originally Posted by ReformUSA2012

Its not as simple as that in the political landscape and Trump knows this as anyone else who opens their eyes. To many Americans have bought into the talk that its impractical to go deporting every single illegal alien, I know this and I'd hope you know this. I know Trump knows this. Trumps words are right down the line that makes sense to someone uninformed and makes better sense to someone who is informed. I explained this earlier but will state again.

First you aim to secure the border fully, easy enough to do if the National Guard is used and take the handcuffs off. Next you start enforcing the laws in the books, any new enters are sent packing immediately (fingerprint them and kick them back... no waiting). Start deporting any illegal alien convicted of a crime starting from violent crimes or a number of convictions. As this is happening laws should be pushed through Congress to end so called sanctuary cities/states making it a crime to not assist federal officers, allowing states to assist in catching and deporting illegal aliens (even mandating it), and importantly removing ALL welfare benefits to illegal aliens including correcting the abuse of the 14th Amendment. Even the SCOTUS decision for education for children of illegal aliens can be overturned quite easily using its own words and attaching a significant cost to it. Add in to the law any illegal alien free loading will be disqualified for any possible future status and be deported with ban.

Now that alone should be able to get rid of 90-95% of illegal aliens. Either they have a criminal history that will get them deported, free loading which will get them deported, or life just isn't easy enough in the US to make it worth it to them and they will pack up and leave in mass. Add in that each family likely has a free loader, criminal, or someone who just can't manage well enough anymore (plus no more education on any level by taxpayers) and most of the problem is gone. Now at this point is when the talk of Amnesty *might* start with the very few left. However the very few left would have lost almost all of their power if not all of it and as they would once again be scared to try protesting and coming out publicly the issue becomes one not worth it. Eventually those would likely just vanish.

Trump knows if you get rid of the real bad ones, and then make life miserable for the rest without any benefits at all then the problem will take care of itself for the most part. This is why when he speaks on it his first words are always about those 2 key things, so it makes sense to say *who knows after that*.

But it is impracticle to deport every single one of them.

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Just to clarify that is not my quote in the quote part of your post, but MW's. Not sure why the site does that. Sometimes you have to edit and delete the "Judy wrote" when she didn't.

I agree with your post except that IF Congress will authorize states to enforce US immigration law, like Trey Gowdy's bill does, THEN it becomes very practical to deport every single one of them. 800,000 state and local police officers arresting 2 illegal aliens a month is 1.6 million a month which is 19.2 million arrests a year. They would all be gone in 18 months and we would have dropped welfare rolls by at least 20 million people and saved over $300 billion a year just on welfare to illegal aliens alone. Then at least 10 million jobs would open up for Americans and proper wages and drop the welfare rolls by another 20 million at least.

All of this is not being lost on Mr. Trump. He's a numbers guy.

http://www.alipac.us/f9/donald-trump...ay-u-s-320744/

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Originally Posted by JohnDoe2

http://www.alipac.us/f9/donald-trump...ay-u-s-320744/

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Trump is a numbers guy so he knows the cost of his plan. That article didn't include his statement about the "moochers" being deported, so I don't know if he's being quoted right or not.

How does someone like Trump who had it right for 30 years, get it so wrong the year he could have actually been elected President of the United States? Why would you wans to give American jobs to illegal aliens so they can be "productive" and "carry their own freight" at the expense of our citizens, who are forced to forfeit their jobs to illegal aliens so illegal aliens can stay in the country. This makes no sense.

Still looking for that dark horse.

[QUOTE=Judy;1465238]I want him as a Republican. He may be rough around the edges and probably doesn't know the details of many of the issues but he will smooth out and he will learn the details better than anyone else, because he cares about our country and citizens. He has plenty of common sense, intelligence and from what I know from his statements over the past 30

JUDY
I ALSO LIKE HIM RUN AS REPUBLICAN BUT , THAT THE WAY IS IT
WE JUST WANT JOB 'S MY FRIEND THAT LIVE IN PiTTSTON PA ALSO LIKE HIM AS WELL . AS FOR THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WORKING THEY ARE AT THIS COMPANY & HER SON APPLY FOR A JOB . IT FULL WITH ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS . GOLDEN TECHNOGLOCIS . & TJX
& KAPPA BOOK . WE CAN NOT GET JOB'S IT SO SAD OBAMA NO HELP

SHIP THEM ALL BACK HOME (BY THE WAY DON'T BUY ANYTHING FROM THE DOLLAR STORE IT ALL MADE IN CHINA . )
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Originally Posted by Judy

Just to clarify that is not my quote in the quote part of your post, but MW's. Not sure why the site does that. Sometimes you have to edit and delete the "Judy wrote" when she didn't.

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Sorry on that, yah though I know you didn't write that. I missed that it was giving you the quote instead of MW. Most stuff on illegal aliens think we are usually on the same page about.

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Originally Posted by ReformUSA2012

Sorry on that, yah though I know you didn't write that. I missed that it was giving you the quote instead of MW. Most stuff on illegal aliens think we are usually on the same page about.

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No problem.

http://www.alipac.us/f9/donald-trump...-plant-320968/