Thread: Illegal Immigration: Taxation Without Representation

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Illegal immigration: 'Taxation without representation'
Posted: Tuesday, Jul 22, 2008 - 11:45:27 pm PDT
Email this story Printer friendly version By SEN. JOHN GOEDDE
R-Coeur d'Alene

Once upon a time in almost every American's family tree, there was an immigrant to this country. In my personal case, three of four grandparents were "from the old country." While immigrants in the past may have settled in communities of similar heritage, they assimilated into the American culture. My maternal grandparents were no different and I have told this story many times. Both were Italian and settled in the mining community of Chelan, Wash., where many fellow workers were also Italian. One day, while my grandparents were downtown, my grandfather overheard my grandmother in a conversation with other Italian women on the sidewalk. They were conversing in Italian. When my grandparents got home, my grandfather scolded my grandmother for using her native tongue. He said "You are in America now, you speak English." Proudly all three became U.S. citizens and continued to Americanize their respective families.

I lost some heritage in the process. The only Italian I know is Molte Bella which means good fire. I apologize for spelling or translation as it has been a great while. That was a small loss compared to being raised an American.

After the Eisenhower administration, our government became very lax in allowing foreign nationals to reside in our country illegally. The consequences of inaction have not been good and I point out the horror of Sept. 11, as an example. Two of the 911 hijackers had immigration violations, three were illegal aliens.

There is another, more subtle problem with allowing illegals to live in our country and that is the cost to taxpayers. Recently, I requested that Idaho undergo a study to determine how many Idaho resources are being spent on people who have no right to live in our state. Since that request, I have been provided a wealth of information on costs. For example, in 2004 in our primary and secondary education system, the cost of illegal immigrants was something more than $11 for every man, woman, and child in our state or a total of $15,869,071 according to one study.

Idaho's population of criminal aliens in jail and in prison is rapidly escalating and certainly there is demand on our health and welfare system. Sales tax and income tax payers carry the burden for the prosecution and incarceration of criminal immigrants. Counties, through their 'indigent funds,' provided by local property taxes, are forced to pay for illegal immigrant health care. Emergency and maternity care is mandated by the federal government and the states bear the burden.

Accurate information is imperative when considering future action. I sincerely hope my request for an accounting of the costs of taxpayer dollars spent on illegal immigrants in Idaho will be honored as soon as possible.

I, in no way, intend to direct this study toward legal foreign nationals or legal immigrants who reside in Idaho. I believe in compliance with United States immigration laws.

There is a place for temporary guest workers in Idaho, but employers using guest worker services, not taxpayers, bear responsibility for their welfare. I would urge every employer to use the information systems now available to determine that they employ only those with the legal right to work in our state.

The first step in correcting the current situation is to determine the extent of the problem to the best of our ability as elected officials. Unfortunately, many of the costs of illegal immigrants to our state cannot be quantified, such as the strain on our natural resources from overpopulation, the costs of infrastructure for roads, utilities, schools, etc, and all are provided at taxpayer expense. Money from the illegal immigrant population is frequently remitted to Mexico. This loss to local economies cannot be translated into dollars. The collateral damage from illegal immigrant crime cannot be measured. How do you calculate the costs incurred from the crime of identity theft? Or, the cost of pain and suffering to American families as a consequence of illegal alien sex offenders, DUIs, murders, and other serious felony crimes?

The second is to take our findings to the citizens of Idaho. Many of you have personal stories to tell in regard to this problem and I would welcome hearing from you. I am concerned about rising costs to taxpayers. Supporting the burgeoning illegal immigrant population with Idaho tax dollars, and without disclosure, is tantamount to 'taxation without representation.'

Sen. Goedde is chairman of the Senate Education Committee.


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There is a place for temporary guest workers in Idaho, but employers using guest worker services, not taxpayers, bear responsibility for their welfare. I would urge every employer to use the information systems now available to determine that they employ only those with the legal right to work in our state.

There's the KEY phrase. If we weren't being ripped off by millions of illegal aliens and greedy employers, this would not been such an explosive issue!

"Indigent" funds are being wasted on illegal aliens instead of poor US citizens and that MUST stop!

He's right, it's us (the taxpayer) that subsidize illegal immigrant labor, not the employers!

Things we pay for:

1. The education of illegal children and illegal alien anchor children.
2. Emergency medical care. Of course we all know the care provided to many illegals isn't always considered emergency care. Does anyone really want to know the true cost of associated with birthing tens of thousands of anchor babies every year (short and long term)?
3. Welfare for anchor babies (food stamps, WIC, etc.).
4. Iincarceration in the federal and state prison system.

I'm sure there is more, much more, but these are the things that immediately come to mind. All these illegal alien associated costs wouldn't be necessary if it weren't for corporate America's demand for cheap labor (greed) and pandering politicians!

The collateral damage from illegal immigrant crime cannot be measured. How do you calculate the costs incurred from the crime of identity theft? Or, the cost of pain and suffering to American families as a consequence of illegal alien sex offenders, DUIs, murders, and other serious felony crimes?

That's a big one as well. There's basicly no restitution or even justice for it. It's like "Oh well, you loose". House prices fall in value in certain areas. People are living with life long injuries and paying the cost for illegal drivers. If you haven't had your identity stolen, you're probably paying for a service to protect it for you. Lost jobs, lower wages....the list is endless, that in no way can be added up or be considered an acceptable trade-off.

Lets make a deal . I'll give you TWO U.S Senators from FL for your Senator Goedde . Deal ?
I think i'ld fall over dead if my Senators Ever spoke the truth of the Burden Illegals down here . Guess worker programs etc aren't good enough here for the Wealthy AG orange growers or the Builder of Retirement Communitys . They want it all at our expense

MW.

1. The education of illegal children and illegal alien anchor children.
2. Emergency medical care. Of course we all know the care provided to many illegals isn't always considered emergency care. Does anyone really want to know the true cost of associated with birthing tens of thousands of anchor babies every year (short and long term)? Shocked
3. Welfare for anchor babies (food stamps, WIC, etc.).
4. Iincarceration in the federal and state prison system.

5. Then the illegal criminal get to walk our American streets until deportation without a monitoring system on their leg. (They could pay the monitoring daily fee of a least $7.00, too.)

Control all illegals in America

Originally Posted by tencz57

Lets make a deal . I'll give you TWO U.S Senators from FL for your Senator Goedde . Deal ?
I think i'ld fall over dead if my Senators Ever spoke the truth of the Burden Illegals down here . Guess worker programs etc aren't good enough here for the Wealthy AG orange growers or the Builder of Retirement Communitys . They want it all at our expense

Uh, no thanks, I think I'll keep him. We have a few more like him, too, and I'm grateful.

maybe it's time to start TAXING the PRO-illegals for the ILLEGALS' room and board!

Originally Posted by joazinha

maybe it's time to start TAXING the PRO-illegals for the ILLEGALS' room and board!

That is exactly what I used to say to OBLs when the 187 debate would come up.....you want them to have services? Great. How about your tax dollars and those who favor illegal immigration are exclusively used to pay for it, while those who are opposed -- roughly 60% of the state of California -- don't have to.

Deal?

When prop 187 was struck down by the courts I immediately felt like it was taxation without representation. despite the will of a strong majority of California voters, we were forced to foot the bill for illegal immigrants.