Thread: GM...not really off topic

I am amazed to hear how people want to take down the unions and all the
people associated with them. This is about globalism. That level playing
feild so golden that will benefit all. Yeah, right. The corporations who
take their plants out of the USA, import 3rd world lower class workers to
undercut American workers and reap the harvest of near slave labor
and to **** with Americans.

Phil Valentine (talk show host) has a real problem with unions. So lets
see, if they manage to cut benefits to retirees then while we will have to
pay more for our health care, we cannot buy new trucks. But then they
can move all their plants to Mexico or tim buck two and think their
car prices will fall??? Not in a hundred years. And who will be left to
buy them.....illegals? The third world country that we are sure to become
if things dont change dramatically.

I see this all intertwined and apologies if this is too out in left field.
I really needed to vent!

I think some Unions have gone too far. I know people that are sitting around on company disability, earning there pay for life instead of going on SS because it pays more. That added cost is passed on to the customer. Reality, it makes the company with a union, less competitive than a company without one.

Dixie

Originally Posted by Dixie

I think some Unions have gone too far. I know people that are sitting around on company disability, earning there pay for life instead of going on SS because it pays more. That added cost is passed on to the customer. Reality, it makes the company with a union, less competitive than a company without one.

Dixie

Or possibly they haven't gone far enough in becoming international. The playing field is not equal. The worker will be a burden on companies supplying disability it's true. Much of the cost of SS also falls on companies. Reality is that companies and countries that offer benefits to workers are at a competitive disadvantage in the face of those offering none. Workers living in piano boxes, walking to work will be able to work for less than Americans in 2500 sq. ft. homes driving cars to work. Do we have to toss our way of life so the cost won't be passed on to the customer?

Loser

The percentage of workers in the U.S. covered by unions is extremely small.....especially after you subtract government employees (all levels) and teachers!!!!

The unions slit their own throats by going way overboard in their demands. Two companies moved from my area because the union DEMANDED seats on their boards of directors OR ELSE! Well, they got their OR ELSE and their members got THE PURPLE SHAFT.

"Competitive" means everyone works for a lot less. In that case only
the big corporations win.

The teachers unions are examples of out of control unions and total
lack of accountability but tenior and major perks and job protection.
So sometimes they do get out of control but all in all they have
raised the standard for a whole lot of people....before we had to
compete with near slave labor, that is.

I have a friend who worked for GM back in the 80's. He lived next door to me in "Florida". Every year GM would want to "lay people off" and instead of laying off someone with less senority he would go into voluntary lay off situation and get paid half of his $38 per hour pay check to not work. Thus he lived most of the time in Florida not working.

Meanwhile we were desperately trying to come up with the next car payment. Unions is why so many people buy foreign cars.

I remember a union contract dispute last summer. It was all over the papers that the union wanted health insurance for their pets and they also wanted a 40% raise! They are called negotiation ploys! The real truth was that the employers wanted to hire non-union workers without benefits to replace the workforce through attrition. I could tell you more about the press and the lies they tell for their corporate masters, but you guys already know that, why would you think they tell truth about labor? You all should know if it good for the working people then it’s painted in a bad light by the corporate media. In the corporate media there is no left or right, just corporate interests to be served…The union politicians are commie globalists and just as hated as their civil counterparts.

I don't have the answer guys. I just know there's no law of the universe that says Americans should earn 10 times more than the rest of the world's workers. That does pose some problems.

SOME UNIONS DO GO OVERBOARD BUT MOST DO NOT. WHEN NEGOTIATING A CONTRACT THE CORPORATE NEGOTIATORS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR GETTING A CONTRACT THAT WORKS FOR THEM.

IN REALITY IF ABUSES TAKE PLACE IT IS BECAUSE THE COMPANY SIGNED A CONTRACT THAT INCLUDED ROOM FOR ABUSE. ALL UNIONS HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE EMPLOYER. THE EMPLOYER HAS TO AGREE TO THE CONTRACT FOR IT TO BECOME VALID.

AND LET ME TELL YOU THIS....SOMETIMES THE NEGOTIATOR LETS THOSE "CLAUSES" STAND SO THEY CAN NEGOTIATE A LOWER WAGE. BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE COMPANY SEES....THE BOTTOM LINE....THE FINANCIAL BOTTOM LINE. AND SO THE NEGOTIATOR FOR THE COMPANY WILL LET SOME THINGS SLIP BY TO GET THAT BOTTOM LINE AS LOW AS POSSIBLE. BUT THE COMPANY SIGNS IT. AND IF THE COMPANY SIGNS IT, IT IS JUST AS MUCH THEIR RESPONSIBILITY WHEN THERE ARE ABUSES AS MENTIONED ABOVE.

DID YOU KNOW THE BUS DRIVERS IN SAN FRANCISCO HAD A CLAUSE IN THEIR CONTRACT FOR AWHILE THAT SAID THEY COULD NOT SHOW UP FOR WORK WITHOUT CALLING IN AND NOT GET FIRED? AND THEY COULD DO THIS THREE TIMES WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONTHS? THAT IS RIDICULOUS. YET THE CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO DID SIGN THIS CONTRACT. SO WHO'S FAULT IS THAT?

The unions may have been a necessity back in the day when the corporate owners were paying employees nickle dime stuff while they were the richest people in the USA.

Now the UAW have sold out Patriots to "quotas" and in my opinion foreigners must be one of the quotas they demand. Take a look at the UAW Constitution.
http://www.uaw.org/constitution/article02.cfm

Section 2. To unite in one organization, regardless of religion, race, creed, color, sex, political affiliation or nationality, age, disability, marital status or sexual orientation, all employees under the jurisdiction (?) of this International Union.

Great they educate the foreigners who take over the Union leader positions by numbers.

Section 4. To educate our membership in the history of the Labor Movement and to develop and maintain an intelligent and dignified membership; to vote and work for the election of candidates and the passage of improved legislation in the interest of all labor.

This part is a joke they support amnesty.

To enforce existing laws; to work for the repeal of those which are unjust to Labor; to work for legislation on a national scale, having as its object the establishment of real social and unemployment insurance, the expense of which to be borne by the employer and the Government.

Just a matter of time the globalist UAW will include Mexico!

Section 5. To engage in legislative, political, educational, civic, welfare and other activities which further, directly or indirectly, the joint interests of the membership of this organization in the improvement of general economic and social conditions in the United States of America, Canada, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico and generally in the nations of the world.

They further push their globalist agenda!

Section 6. (a) To work as an autonomous International Union affiliated with the Canadian Labour Congress (CLC), American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations (AFL-CIO) together with other International Unions, for solidification of the entire Labor Movement; provided, however, that the International Executive Board may at any time alter the Union's relationship to such bodies in any way it deems appropriate. To provide assistance, financial and otherwise, to labor and other organizations in the United States, Canada and other parts of the world having purpose and objectives similar or related to those sought by this organization.

(b) The International Executive Board is authorized to take whatever action is required to enable the UAW to mobilize, assist and work with other organizations, alone or in combination, toward the objective of meeting the urgent problems which confront society and the Labor Movement in this 21st Century period of rapid and accelerating technological and social change.

(c) The International Union shall seek to affiliate groups of employees, whether by agreement or merger. To do so, and better accomplish this objective, the International Executive Board is authorized to allow necessary deviations from specific provisions of this Constitution, provided however, that any such affiliations must be ratified not later than the next regular convention.

If people want to preserve jobs for Patriots do not vote in the UAW, this is a globalist foreign organization!