I especially want to know what the open borders crowd has to say on this.
There must be some point at which one must say "no" to the invaders where its clearly for concerns of overpopulation, bombed wages, etc. and not racism. No?
Please vote 8)
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I especially want to know what the open borders crowd has to say on this.
There must be some point at which one must say "no" to the invaders where its clearly for concerns of overpopulation, bombed wages, etc. and not racism. No?
Please vote 8)
I especially want to know what the open borders crowd has to say on this.
There must be some point at which one must say "no" to the invaders where its clearly for concerns of overpopulation, bombed wages, etc. and not racism. No?
Please vote 8)
Here is how Malaysia handles their immigrants:
LINK to Story 1
LINK to Story 2
Edit: Links by Mr_Magoo
Here is how Malaysia handles their immigrants:
LINK to Story 1
LINK to Story 2
Edit: Links by Mr_Magoo
Interesting, except:NO amnesty
Interesting, except:NO amnesty
You left out my MAIN reason for wishing to see the border problem corrected.Quote:
Originally Posted by thangdatrang
NATIONAL SECURITY!!!
Millions of people are coming across our border, carrying tons of cocaine and marijuana. As our Homeland Defense activities are focused on Airline flights and other major legal entry points, it is not going to take long for terrorists to eyeball the southern border as an entry point, and much evidence indicates they already have.
I have heard the old thing about "none of the 9/11 hijackers came thru the mexican border" or "we have had no attacks from terrorists coming thru the south border", and this is true. However it is only a matter of time. When someone has burglarized your home a few times, and happened to come thru one window everytime... do you just start locking THAT window? Or ALL the doors AND windows? How many of the people who are repeating these mantras will be the same ones who, when an attack DOES occur, will be screaming because nothing was done to plug up such an obvious security leak? Why do we want to wait until a tragedy occurs before we move to stop it?
To those of you who think in that manner, be served notice here and now, as I and others have stated this problem exists, we warned you, that means when a tragedy DOES occur, YOU will be morally responsable for allowing it to happen... and we will be there to remind you of that fact. The blood will be on YOUR hands as much as the terrorists. Whether you be some FROBL, Jim Robinson, or the POTUS.
Tons of illegal drugs cross the border.. when one day five pounds of Anthrax crosses the border, or a few test tubes of Ebola, or one of 50 missing suitcase nukes, the domestic economic concerns about immigration will be MOOT.
You left out my MAIN reason for wishing to see the border problem corrected.Quote:
Originally Posted by thangdatrang
NATIONAL SECURITY!!!
Millions of people are coming across our border, carrying tons of cocaine and marijuana. As our Homeland Defense activities are focused on Airline flights and other major legal entry points, it is not going to take long for terrorists to eyeball the southern border as an entry point, and much evidence indicates they already have.
I have heard the old thing about "none of the 9/11 hijackers came thru the mexican border" or "we have had no attacks from terrorists coming thru the south border", and this is true. However it is only a matter of time. When someone has burglarized your home a few times, and happened to come thru one window everytime... do you just start locking THAT window? Or ALL the doors AND windows? How many of the people who are repeating these mantras will be the same ones who, when an attack DOES occur, will be screaming because nothing was done to plug up such an obvious security leak? Why do we want to wait until a tragedy occurs before we move to stop it?
To those of you who think in that manner, be served notice here and now, as I and others have stated this problem exists, we warned you, that means when a tragedy DOES occur, YOU will be morally responsable for allowing it to happen... and we will be there to remind you of that fact. The blood will be on YOUR hands as much as the terrorists. Whether you be some FROBL, Jim Robinson, or the POTUS.
Tons of illegal drugs cross the border.. when one day five pounds of Anthrax crosses the border, or a few test tubes of Ebola, or one of 50 missing suitcase nukes, the domestic economic concerns about immigration will be MOOT.
That is a good point, but there is a reason why I leave it to others to make it. Its because if national security is your main reason, then hypothetically speaking, the other reasons seem weaker if you can somehow make sure its not terrorists that get through. Obviously you can't, but I'd rather stick to the inherent reasons, which we know apply to every individual that comes over. We know that every one of them will be an addition to overpopulation, to bombed wages, just because they are another drop in the ocean of invaders. So I make it clear the reasons which are not just a risk (however great) but actually apply in the case of every single individual.
Of course the absolute number one reason is really national sovereignty. There should be no other explanation necessary. But just to respond to allegations of racism (which even if true would not diminish national sovereigny by any means) I bring up a reason which applies to each and every person that crosses.
That is a good point, but there is a reason why I leave it to others to make it. Its because if national security is your main reason, then hypothetically speaking, the other reasons seem weaker if you can somehow make sure its not terrorists that get through. Obviously you can't, but I'd rather stick to the inherent reasons, which we know apply to every individual that comes over. We know that every one of them will be an addition to overpopulation, to bombed wages, just because they are another drop in the ocean of invaders. So I make it clear the reasons which are not just a risk (however great) but actually apply in the case of every single individual.
Of course the absolute number one reason is really national sovereignty. There should be no other explanation necessary. But just to respond to allegations of racism (which even if true would not diminish national sovereigny by any means) I bring up a reason which applies to each and every person that crosses.
Yeah, I get sick of that "racism" garbage. I have two cousins who are adopted, whom I have known simply as my cousins all my life, they are full blooded Japanese, and I could love them no more if they were my own flesh and blood. My first wife was Filipino. My best friend in the whole world, the only man I ever wanted in a foxhole next to me watching my back, and whom I would have laid my life down for was Jamaican. I have friends from India, whom I admire a great deal, for their hard work and their willingness to ASSIMILATE into being Americans. Those who call me racist are people who need to pull their head out of a damp, dark place.
I really have no problem with those who enter legally, so long as our legal immigration levels are kept down to a reasonable level in which we can absorb them into our society, as Americans.
I belong to and recognize only one race, HUMAN. I do, however recognize that we live in a world with different nationalities, and I DO hold some nations, and their cultures, as superior to others. I do hold nations who still conduct business in ways we gave up on hundreds of years ago as inferior to our own.
I place MY NATION FIRST! That is Nationalism, not racism. Every other nation in the world does the same. I do not blame others for placing their nations interest first, and will not apologize for doing the same with mine.
I want to see the whole world have it as good as we do. Not by lowering America to their level, but by raising them up to ours. And that can never happen so long as we allow the brightest and most ambitious to leave their nations and come here, it will happen when those people stay home and build their own nation up.
Yeah, I get sick of that "racism" garbage. I have two cousins who are adopted, whom I have known simply as my cousins all my life, they are full blooded Japanese, and I could love them no more if they were my own flesh and blood. My first wife was Filipino. My best friend in the whole world, the only man I ever wanted in a foxhole next to me watching my back, and whom I would have laid my life down for was Jamaican. I have friends from India, whom I admire a great deal, for their hard work and their willingness to ASSIMILATE into being Americans. Those who call me racist are people who need to pull their head out of a damp, dark place.
I really have no problem with those who enter legally, so long as our legal immigration levels are kept down to a reasonable level in which we can absorb them into our society, as Americans.
I belong to and recognize only one race, HUMAN. I do, however recognize that we live in a world with different nationalities, and I DO hold some nations, and their cultures, as superior to others. I do hold nations who still conduct business in ways we gave up on hundreds of years ago as inferior to our own.
I place MY NATION FIRST! That is Nationalism, not racism. Every other nation in the world does the same. I do not blame others for placing their nations interest first, and will not apologize for doing the same with mine.
I want to see the whole world have it as good as we do. Not by lowering America to their level, but by raising them up to ours. And that can never happen so long as we allow the brightest and most ambitious to leave their nations and come here, it will happen when those people stay home and build their own nation up.
Words! They don't mean anything anymore, not according to "Webster" as I was taught. " Racist " my multi cultural butt.
Anyone who knows me and many posters knows that's a crock. Skin heads, racism is against all I've ever stood for. But then we've even lost the meaning of the word "is"! Don't get me started on "gay". "UnDocumented" , PFFFFT!
thangdatrang, I liked your poll. Not sure what it's going to prove, except (so far- 100%) we don't vary much in our opinions..LOL!!
Ain't diversity grand!!! ????
Don't forget today's Lou Dobbs Poll!
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/
Do you believe giving legal status to illegal aliens in the United States encourages more illegal immigration?
Yes
No
Words! They don't mean anything anymore, not according to "Webster" as I was taught. " Racist " my multi cultural butt.
Anyone who knows me and many posters knows that's a crock. Skin heads, racism is against all I've ever stood for. But then we've even lost the meaning of the word "is"! Don't get me started on "gay". "UnDocumented" , PFFFFT!
thangdatrang, I liked your poll. Not sure what it's going to prove, except (so far- 100%) we don't vary much in our opinions..LOL!!
Ain't diversity grand!!! ????
Don't forget today's Lou Dobbs Poll!
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/
Do you believe giving legal status to illegal aliens in the United States encourages more illegal immigration?
Yes
No
I hear ya girl, they can stick that Orwellian "Newspeak" straight up their PC backsides. :evil:Quote:
Originally Posted by AuntB
And before anyone starts yelling "gaybasher!", just for the record, I could not really care less what two consenting adults do in their own sex lives. But I do find the manipulation of the language in an attempt to control thought very offensive.
I hear ya girl, they can stick that Orwellian "Newspeak" straight up their PC backsides. :evil:Quote:
Originally Posted by AuntB
And before anyone starts yelling "gaybasher!", just for the record, I could not really care less what two consenting adults do in their own sex lives. But I do find the manipulation of the language in an attempt to control thought very offensive.
Do you believe giving legal status to illegal aliens in the United States encourages more illegal immigration?
Yes 96%
1912 votes
No 4%
87 votes
Total: 1999 votes
Voted!
Do you believe giving legal status to illegal aliens in the United States encourages more illegal immigration?
Yes 96%
1912 votes
No 4%
87 votes
Total: 1999 votes
Voted!
DonQuixote
I agree with everything you said. All you leave me to do is sign at the bottom. No doubt about it, very well said.
AuntB
heheh, my poll didn't prove anything, its just for rhetorical value. I'm sure there were some brainwashed pro-illegals passing through that thought about voting and then were like 'wait a minute...' :DQuote:
thangdatrang, I liked your poll. Not sure what it's going to prove, except (so far- 100%) we don't vary much in our opinions..LOL!!
DonQuixote
I agree with everything you said. All you leave me to do is sign at the bottom. No doubt about it, very well said.
AuntB
heheh, my poll didn't prove anything, its just for rhetorical value. I'm sure there were some brainwashed pro-illegals passing through that thought about voting and then were like 'wait a minute...' :DQuote:
thangdatrang, I liked your poll. Not sure what it's going to prove, except (so far- 100%) we don't vary much in our opinions..LOL!!
Damned rigged polls anyway :lol: :lol: :lol:
I LOVE to hear the word racist/nazi when debating these toolz. Once you here that, you KNOW they have totally exausted their very limited amount of bullet points. Most of these people (there are exceptions) have NO core at all, they have just memorized the "key" issues. If you push a little, poke, prod, and kill those points, they TOTALLY run out of things to say, and will immediatly call you a racist. You know a group that is ignorant (but probably pretty mad usually), when they simply start out of the gate with racist.Quote:
Originally Posted by AuntB
I LOVE to smile really wide when they start talking that way, and talk to them like they were a child, in reasuring ("slightly" mocking) tones. Mockery like that raises their anger level even more, and that one last bullet point they still had is forgotten about. It is so fun to stomp them down using reason. However, I am VERY careful when highly outnumbered, as usually the totally ignorant are also the most likely to cause you bodily harm. I can usually get away with a lot, due to being 6'3 and 250 lb, but I still am very careful when by myself, or with just single trusted friend.
H.
Husker,
The racist/nazi label is thrown out to shame and embarrass and to quell discussion and beat one into submission.
The label group needs to find a better argument than name-calling. :lol: That's so "third-grade" :wink:
watchman
I know it is third grade, that is why I talk very slowly, and use a soft voice (with a dripping scoop of sarcasm and some shaming thrown in). They are simply mental children.Quote:
Originally Posted by watchman
People, when debating these foolz, DO NOT fall into the trap they are setting. The most ammunition they have is to get you PO'd That is what calling you a racist is trying to do. They do not have the core to take you on using intelect or reason (NOTE there are some WHO CAN), so they fall back and try to make YOU mad, so you can not debate either.
I learnt, and had a hell'a lot of fun, learning to confront debate, and destroy, these types when I was doing more work with the Protest Warriors. I still like PW, but I have become VERY disenfranchised with the GOP, and too much of the PW were still holding the line. I really luv um, but had to leave um (well mostly leave them, since I still do visit and post from time to time).
H.
If anyone is racist it is the illegal immigrants from Mexico. They have an IN YOUR FACE attitude toward Americans and don't give a second thought at how we feel about them INTRUDING on our land and USING our facilities and welfare, social security, and health systems. They just want us to keep our mouths shut and keep working at our jobs to support all of them and all the babies they keep having. I haven't met a single illegal immigrant that was nice. They refuse to talk to us and make nasty gestures and call us names in Spanish. Their language is all over the billboards, radio, television, media, pamphlets, voting information, DMV tests, healthcare, traffic signs, welfare offices, IRS, Social Security offices, etc. I WANT IT ALL TO STOP! I LIVE IN AMERICA...THE MELTING POT! These people are here ILLEGALLY and will not assimilate as Americans LEGALLY. They are TERRORISTS in my eyes.
Wow. I accidentally pressed one million in that poll haha. I was scrolling down on what I thought was another web page (I have FireFox and you can use different tabs and everything). Could you reset my vote Mr. Gheen? 8)
Exactly. It is just a word. I am not affraid of a word. Especially a highly overused and misused word. When they pull that I don't waste my time trying to prove that I am not a racist--that's what they want, divert the issue and get you on the defensive. I know these people have been well trained by the media, Hollywood, and academia. I usually just ask them if the entire nation of Mexico is full of fire-breathing racists. According to the standard the media sets for us, that is exactly what Mexicans are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husker
I love when they scream "Brown Pride" and "Viva La Raza" in one breath, and in the next, brand us as racists for wanting a secure border and sovereignty. :roll:
Okay, this is embarrasing.
Do you see that ONE person in the poll that voted for a total takeover of the country? That was me. And NO I didn't mean it.
I actually thought the poll was a spoof, just sarcasm. So after I hit the button I did and realized it was a serious poll...well..... :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:
Husker wrote:You couldn't be more right, Husker, they are so uneducated its not funny. The race card is all they have and its not even valid. The reason why I believe they have been rehursed to cry racism because the rehursers know about our laws that govern racism. Only they twist the spirit of those laws into something that is so immature. I believe that La Raza is the root of the problem. LA RAZA IS THE RACE OF RACISTS. NO MORE FEDERAL FUNDING TO THESE INCITEFUL RACISTS.Quote:
They are simply mental children.
ALL ILLEGALS ACT LIKE THIRD GRADE CHILDREN.
Wow! This discussion is from March 2005!
I didn't notice that, guess its still important, huh? :o :D
In most situations any nation would put their interests first. Its only fair. Yet we're looked down upon as being unfair. And thats not fair >>
2005?? It's still pertinent.... unfortunately.
Anyone familiar with Rep. McCaul's report to Congress, "A Line in the Sand," and still maintains an OB attitude needs to have this point brought home to them... 'cause it's just a matter of time... not if, but when. Bad boy, bad boy, bad boy. Whatcha gonna do when they come for you.Code:To those of you who think in that manner, be served notice here and now, as I and others have stated this problem exists, we warned you, that means when a tragedy DOES occur, YOU will be morally responsable for allowing it to happen... and we will be there to remind you of that fact. The blood will be on YOUR hands as much as the terrorists. Whether you be some FROBL, Jim Robinson, or the POTUS.
Do you have a link to that Faye?
I guess we are going to educated each other tonight! :wink: