Thread: The James Earl Carter Hate Machine-origins of our dilemma.

The James Earl Carter Hate Machine-origins of our dilemma.

Illegal Immigration has been a long coming wave of disruption and importation of revolutionaries, criminals, the greedy and national socialist agents for over the past 50 years. A staunch change from the times when immigration meant a change, the adoption of a new places culture and ideas. A contribution to a new found sovereign that would bring you under its wing and only ask for civility in return. But starting in 1961 things changed drastically. The new “immigrantâ€

We already have laws in place for illegal immigration. Our Constitution has laws against illegal immigration. Why are we passing more laws that we don't need?

I don't think they are really passing more laws truly dealing with illegal immigration, they are simply rechampioning amnesty for global corps and selecting which laws they wish to enforce.

I am interested in what philosophy is at the bottom of our current crisis, for indeed this present trend is unlike any thing we have seen before , where a much more numerous culture could inundate our own. A man who works with a conservative Christian poitical group, remarked to me that he thought Carter "was terrible." I didn't quite expect such a damning evaluation--considering that Carter was a PR man for Christian fundamentalism. But I knew that a conservative would have issues with Carter.

Yet--I have to ask--what groups assured Carter of his victory against a moderate conservative such as Gerald Ford? I was just a young man during the 1976 election yet, from what I saw, Christian conservatives were dumping Ford--even faster than US drivers dumped the Yugo--and jumping on the Carter bandwagon, since he was "the born again" candidate. I couldn't figure out what their dissatisfaction with Ford might be.

Four years later Christian conservatives did another about face and voted in Reagan. I was puzzled even more. The one thing that I would deduce, is that fundamentalist Christians had become a pivotal force in US politics.
Fast forward to today--I think conservatives have shot themselves in the foot. For whatever hope social or religious conservatives might have of producing positive change in American society, the disastrous course of the Bush Administration has placed that hope in a precarious position. In the political arena we are saved by being a noisy enough movement that Democrats feel they can not ignore us, but I think if the presidential election were held today the Clinton family would be moving back intio the White House. I just hope they are conservative enough to prevent a Carter style disaster.

I label the Bush administration "disastrous" mainly because, with the low tolerance for military struggles the US has, failing to use the miltary option in Iraq as the last choice, and then not having the plan work out, has led to public disillusionment. There were other options--maybe not in Afghanistan, but Iraq was different. Bush, in reality, is doing a far better job than many other politicians before him--but Americans now have much higher expectations.

So Carter started us down the road to disaster? Do the fundamentalists who acted as point men in his campaign and who voted him in bare any responsibility? Don't say what you did--what did the country do? i agree that the Carter administration caved in to pressure from farmworker groups. Would Gerald Ford have done that for his business backers, too?

Well there really isn't a philosophy in my opinion. The illegal alien lobby seems to have disguised their destructive/invasion agenda as some sort of civil rights thing with the help of Carter. Really, many organizations that had arisen to help fight for the civil rights of Black Americans were floundering and losing fiscal support, they had achieved many goals and found that this "new" things would help them to stay afloat and actually be a nessecary destructive force to help push for globalism and collectivism. Just as many euqally evil communists had risen to help fight the nazis, the same evil people misused the honest goals of the civil rights movement to promote communism and end capitalism and Western ideas.

I was only 4 in 1976. Ford and actually Nixon had expressed initiative to secure the border. Ford wasn't elected so I don't think the forces that be had much control over him. he said:
"I am acutely aware that you have not elected me as your president by your ballots, and so I ask you to confirm me as your president with your prayers."
Carter was a mster at courting the southern vote and the ag vote. Plus people were pissed at the whole Agnew Nixon thing.

Carter actually tried to resort to fundamentalists to champion his illegal cause when it was failing. Their findings indicated the border should be secured. But I don't think he caved to pressure from ag groups, I think being a farmer he wanted illegal labor increases.

When I wrote "pressure from farmworker groups" I was referring to a couple of things. Some other threads have discussed this also. One was the deicsion of Bob Bergland, Agriculture Secretary in 1979, to discontinue federal funding for agricultural mechanization research. That program dwindled down to one employee. The other was a landmark lawsuit brought against the University of California at Davis to halt research into agricultural mechanization, filed by the California Rural Legal Assistance Project. They're still pretty busy: http://www.stopgatekeeper.org/

Also, almost thirty years later UCDavis is still a hotbed:
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/06/267234.shtml

I agree the confusion of 1960's civil rights agitation into the present illegal immigration issue is a terrible misuse and a propaganda technique. I think part of this is due to the children of 1960's protestors wanting to have some glorious cause to join in their own generation. i don't know how much of it stems from a hate Amreica mentality, although I have no doubts that there are many America haters (or at least "blamers") trying to get a following. I think we've got a rough road ahead.

Originally Posted by Captainron

When I wrote "pressure from farmworker groups" I was referring to a couple of things. Some other threads have discussed this also. One was the deicsion of Bob Bergland, Agriculture Secretary in 1979, to discontinue federal funding for agricultural mechanization research. That program dwindled down to one employee. The other was a landmark lawsuit brought against the University of California at Davis to halt research into agricultural mechanization, filed by the California Rural Legal Assistance Project. They're still pretty busy: http://www.stopgatekeeper.org/

Also, almost thirty years later UCDavis is still a hotbed:
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/06/267234.shtml

Wow, I had no idea about that! An active component attacking mechanization, that is unreal...This is some good stuff worth looking into as well. The mechanization that really needs a monkey wrench throwninto it is the machine powering the illegal alien lobby. Do you know the details of that lawsuit?

Since it happened back in 1979 it is hard to get details. There is an article written by a female author. I can't find it right now. If you go to the Center for Immigration Studies website they have quite a few articles about the demise of mechanization. Easiest to type in Google "Bob Bergland mechanization CIS" or something similar.

Mechanization, though, is staging a comeback. It's still been proceeding apace in other countries, so the equipment is there although much of it would need to be imported. Like Bob Dylan says "They don't make nothin' here no more."

I think the task is to get impacted farmers to go to the agricultural expositions and also do some brainstorming among themselves on how to get the harvest in with fewer workers. My Dad always told us stories of the wheat combines, and how farmers in his area had to work together.

Here is a link:

http://www.cis.org/articles/2000/back1200.html