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Posted on Friday, March 25 @ 11:32:07 UTC
Topic: George Bush President immigrants 3/25/2005
by ALIPAC, Free Republic, and James G. Lakely of the Washington Times
Topics: George Bush, President, Congress, Senate, Conservatives, Free Republic, Minuteman Project, Party Split, laws, crimes ALIPAC Note: With reports coming in from around the nation of a split in the conservative base over the Bush amnesty and open borders plans, the nations most frequented conservative website erupted into a mutiny against Bush policies on Thursday. This article below elicited the response. Please take the time to read this article and the comments of many conservatives that are dismayed by Bush's statements about the Minuteman Project on FreeRepublic.com As many of you know, Free Republic had made previous efforts to control the debate by purging immigration reform users

WACO, Texas â€" President Bush yesterday said he opposes a civilian project to monitor illegal aliens crossing the border, characterizing them as "vigilantes." He said he would pressure Congress to further loosen immigration law. More than 1,000 people â€" including 30 pilots and their private planes â€" have volunteered for the Minuteman Project, beginning next month along the Arizona-Mexico border. Civilians will monitor the movement of illegal aliens for the month of April and report them to the Border Patrol. Mr. Bush said after yesterday's continental summit, with Mexican President Vicente Fox and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin at Baylor University, that he finds such actions unacceptable. "I'm against vigilantes in the United States of America," Mr. Bush said at a joint press conference. "I'm for enforcing the law in a rational way." The Minuteman Project was born out of a long-held perception among many residents that more Border Patrol agents are needed to handle the flow of illegal immigrants. Mr. Bush was criticized by both Republicans and Democrats earlier this month for failing to add 2,000 agents to the Border Patrol, as set out in the intelligence overhaul legislation he signed in December. The president's 2006 budget allows enough money to add only 210 agents for the U.S. borders with Canada and Mexico. Mr. Bush said he will "continue to push for reasonable, common-sense immigration policy." He has proposed legislation to grant guest-worker status to millions of illegal aliens already in the United States. The legislation has attracted scant support in Congress, where it is widely regarded as another amnesty that will encourage even more illegal immigration. Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, of Nevada, says Democrats have been willing to work with Mr. Bush, but that first the president must persuade congressmen of his own party to embrace his plan. I've read enough. I'm ready to join the fight against illegal immigration.
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Discuss this article in our Discussion Group. "Unfortunately, the right wing of the president's party continues to put forward proposals that neither help make progress towards comprehensive immigration reform, nor help truly protect our borders," Mr. Reid said. Mr. Fox, who has said he seeks an open border, has applied constant pressure on Mr. Bush to get the guest-worker program through Congress. Mr. Bush has pledged that he will do all he can. Mr. Fox said yesterday that his country is dedicated to making sure border crossings are legal and orderly. "We discussed the issue of border crossings and how we can protect our borders and be efficient along the border." The official agenda of the one-day summit was centered on economic matters and the three leaders reached agreement on what they called the establishment of the "Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America," designed to build upon the North American Free Trade Agreement. Mr. Martin said he pressed Mr. Bush to get the United States to drop its ban on the importation of Canadian beef â€" imposed because of fears of spreading mad cow disease â€" and to reduce tariffs on softwood lumber, but no commitments were made. Canada earlier this year said it would not participate in the U.S. missile-defense program, and Mr. Martin said there is little chance he would change his mind. "On [missile defense], the file is closed," Mr. Martin said. "But our cooperation in terms of defense, in terms of our borders, in terms of defense of our common â€" our frontiers is very â€" is not only very clear, but it is being accentuated." Mr. Bush said he had not imposed a June deadline on North Korea to rejoin talks with the United States, Russia, South Korea, Japan and China with the intention of North Korea giving up its nuclear-weapons program. "I'm a patient person," Mr. Bush said. "But the leader of North Korea must understand that when we five nations speak, we mean what we say." Stephen Dinan contributed to this report from Washington. FREE REPUBLIC RESPONDS Original comments at Free Republic I have grown tired of Mr. Fox. We gave you NAFTA. Now improve your country and stop encouraging your citizens to illegally migrate here, Mr. Fox!

1 posted on 03/24/2005 7:52:08 AM PST by mikemikemikecubed
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To: mikemikemikecubed
bump

2 posted on 03/24/2005 7:54:08 AM PST by blackeagle
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To: mikemikemikecubed
Too bad, Mr. President, but you're just plain wrong. You have a nation to protect - not a global economic bloc.

3 posted on 03/24/2005 7:54:45 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Every morning we awaken to a new dawn is reason enough to celebrate - have a drink, Teddy!)
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To: mikemikemikecubed
"I'm for enforcing the law in a rational way."

THEN DO IT!

4 posted on 03/24/2005 7:54:53 AM PST by mikeus_maximus
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To: mikemikemikecubed
President Bush yesterday said he opposes a civilian project to monitor illegal aliens crossing the border, characterizing them as "vigilantes."

Do your job Mr. President and secure our borders or we'll get somebody who will.

5 posted on 03/24/2005 7:55:23 AM PST by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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To: mikemikemikecubed; A. Pole
Gotta keep wages artificially suppressed somehow.

6 posted on 03/24/2005 7:55:27 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: mikeus_maximus; SheLion
this is outrageous PING

7 posted on 03/24/2005 7:55:50 AM PST by kingattax (If you're cross-eyed and dyslexic, can you read all right ?)
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To: mikemikemikecubed
"I'm for enforcing the law in a rational way."

By ignoring it?

8 posted on 03/24/2005 7:56:19 AM PST by moehoward
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To: mikemikemikecubed
Don't blame Fox. He's just doing his job which is to look out for Mexico. Blame Bush. It is his job to put the well being of this country ahead of cheap labor and he's not doing it.

9 posted on 03/24/2005 7:57:08 AM PST by Sam the Sham
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To: mikemikemikecubed
The first terrorist attack we have by individuals coming across the border from Mexico Bush will have hell to pay. He's got blinders on and is ignoring the dangers surrounding his misguided policy. His hardheaded attitude on this issue will be his undoing.

10 posted on 03/24/2005 7:57:20 AM PST by Russ
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To: agitator
This plays right into Hellary's hands. Just plain stupid..we are being INVADED

11 posted on 03/24/2005 7:57:57 AM PST by kingattax (If you're cross-eyed and dyslexic, can you read all right ?)
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To: mikemikemikecubed
Bush could always try to send troops in to stop Americans from protecting their own country, and in the process get impeached post haste. That is if it doesn't start a Revolution. His idiocy in regards to our Borders is beyond appalling.

12 posted on 03/24/2005 7:58:27 AM PST by JustAnAmerican (Being Independent means never having to say you're Partisan)
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To: mikemikemikecubed
I have grown tired of Mr. Fox I have grown tired of Mr Bush on immigration and the rule of law.

13 posted on 03/24/2005 7:58:37 AM PST by montag813
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To: agitator
Can someone please explain Bush's apparent lack of logic on border control?

14 posted on 03/24/2005 7:58:37 AM PST by sarasota
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To: mikemikemikecubed
If our government enforced the laws on our books, we wouldn't be in this situation.

I wonder what the possibility of victims of illegal aliens' crimes suing personally those responsible to enforce immigration laws might do to change some attitudes.

15 posted on 03/24/2005 7:58:39 AM PST by thoughtomator (Murder by Judges, 1 - 2 - 3, it's as easy to learn as your ABCBSCNNMSNBCs)
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To: mikemikemikecubed
Between murdering Terry Schiavo and kowtowing to our enemies, I've just about lost interest in the continued government of the United States.

16 posted on 03/24/2005 7:59:55 AM PST by Sloth (I don't post a lot of the threads you read; I make a lot of the threads you read better.)
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To: mikemikemikecubed
Why not just not build a four lane highway through the fence in Nogales all the way to Tucson with water and taco stands along with a food stamp kiosk and be done with the Border Patrol.

17 posted on 03/24/2005 8:00:40 AM PST by Semper Paratus (
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To: mikemikemikecubed
Vigilantes? No Mr. President...the Minutemen are American citizens (your bosses) assisting in the enforcement of our duly enacted immigration laws...our Founders would have called them part of the citizen militia

From Madison's Federalist 46 speaking of the danger of an oppressive federal government backed by its regular military:

"To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence."


18 posted on 03/24/2005 8:00:48 AM PST by Irontank
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To: Sloth
I'm with you on this one. This could be the GOP's undoing.

19 posted on 03/24/2005 8:00:48 AM PST by sarasota
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To: mikemikemikecubed
So when it really comes down to it, Bush supports Mexicans instead of American citizens. Why did I vote for the aHole?

20 posted on 03/24/2005 8:00:55 AM PST by afz400
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To: mikemikemikecubed
President Bush is filled with compassion for poor Mexican and his rich elite buddies who want an unending supply of cheap labor. I wish just once he would show a little compassion for America's working poor and a little empathy for the problems of America's middle class. He could start by explaining how when we open America's job market to all of the world's 6 billion poor people how we will stop wages from falling from the current prevailing wage as every new job gets advertised at $5.15 per hour. He could then explain how middle class high tech workers will be protected from well educated Indians willing to work at half the price. He could then explain who is going to pick up the tab for the impact of importing an unlimited number of new people on schools, hospitals, jails, social programs and highways and other infrastructure. I'd like a little serving of compassion for Americans mixed in with my conservatism please.

21 posted on 03/24/2005 8:01:35 AM PST by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: agitator
Don't blame me. I threw my vote away.

22 posted on 03/24/2005 8:01:44 AM PST by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English)
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To: mikemikemikecubed
President Bush yesterday said he opposes a civilian project to monitor illegal aliens crossing the border, characterizing them as "vigilantes." Mr. President, these are people who are just doing the jobs government doesn't want.

23 posted on 03/24/2005 8:02:11 AM PST by NRA1995 ("Yew jes' go and lay yore hand on a Pittsburgh Steelers fan & Ah think yer gonna fin'lly understand")
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To: Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; Jhoffa_; FITZ; arete; FreedomPoster; Red Jones; Pyro7480; ...
Mr. Fox, who has said he seeks an open border, has applied constant pressure on Mr. Bush to get the guest-worker program through Congress. Mr. Bush has pledged that he will do all he can. Bump.

24 posted on 03/24/2005 8:02:12 AM PST by A. Pole (Working three jobs - uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic, oooh yeah, yeah, hehe.)
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To: agitator
He will do exactly what he wants to. No fear of being voted out of office now.

25 posted on 03/24/2005 8:02:18 AM PST by RonPaulLives (Never trust anything ending in "u." For example, "DU," "EU," "I love you")
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To: mikemikemikecubed
Fox? I'm damned tired of Jorge.

Shut the F up, George, and DO YOUR JOB!

26 posted on 03/24/2005 8:02:53 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: mikemikemikecubed
Minuteman Project....just doing the job American politicians won't do.

27 posted on 03/24/2005 8:03:07 AM PST by sheana
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To: mikemikemikecubed

From the Terry Schiavo Case to this

When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

The all new impoverished LiveJournal


28 posted on 03/24/2005 8:03:13 AM PST by devnull (Your conduct is just wrong.........you should have taken a dump on the Kerry signs.)
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To: sarasota
Can someone please explain Bush's apparent lack of logic on border control? We knew his policy on this issue well before the election. I can't really fathom anyone's surprise. It's not like he lied to the people. He said he wanted amnesty, and that is what he is pursuing. What did everyone expect? If he's a man of his word, he's a man of his word, and he promised to pursue amnesty.

29 posted on 03/24/2005 8:03:50 AM PST by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English)
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To: Happy2BMe
Its here.

30 posted on 03/24/2005 8:04:29 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: mikemikemikecubed
I like George Bush a lot but he's daft on this subject. He has yet to justify why we should allow illegals into America. The only reason I can figure is that we have killed so many people via abortion that would have become taxpayers Bush figures we need all the warm bodies we can get and eventually they can pay taxes.

31 posted on 03/24/2005 8:05:28 AM PST by isthisnickcool (This space for rent.)
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To: sarasota
Neuen Weld Ordnung

32 posted on 03/24/2005 8:05:29 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: Semper Paratus
Why not just not build a four lane highway through the fence in Nogales all the way to Tucson with water and taco stands along with a food stamp kiosk and be done with the Border Patrol. LOL I think that is actually part of the administrations immigration policy.

33 posted on 03/24/2005 8:06:02 AM PST by conserv13
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To: mikemikemikecubed
From Polipundit, and I will add that I agree: President Bush, on the volunteer Minuteman Project, which is spotting illegal aliens entering the US: "I'm against vigilantes in the United States of America. I'm for enforcing law in a rational way. That's why you got a Border Patrol, and they ought to be in charge of enforcing the border". This from a president whose administration refuses to fund the Border Patrol. This from a president whose Department of "Homeland Security" actively refuses to enforce immigration laws. This from a president who has proposed a massive amnesty for the millions of illegal aliens who've broken our immigration laws. This from a president who has allowed illegal immigration to increase after the September 11, 2001, attacks.

34 posted on 03/24/2005 8:06:53 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: NRA1995
Spot On!!!

35 posted on 03/24/2005 8:06:55 AM PST by RiverDrifter
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To: Stu Cohen
...Don't blame me. I threw my vote away...

Yeah, me too, I voted for this idiot twice!

36 posted on 03/24/2005 8:07:00 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: agitator
Absolutely correct. I just lost some respect for President Bush, something I thought would never happen.


37 posted on 03/24/2005 8:07:03 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Children need two-parent homes, hopefully the ones who actually made them.)
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To: mikemikemikecubed
Q (As translated.) Mr. Presidents and Mr. Prime Minister, I wanted to ask you what concrete actions do your governments want to lay out in order to make this partnership a reality as far as energy markets, which is a very critical issue for all of our countries -- energy markets? I also want to ask you in this security and prosperity partnership, when will you include the migratory, or immigration policy in this partnership?And, President Bush, I wanted to ask you about your opinion about those people who are hunting migrant people along the border.PRESIDENT BUSH: I'm against vigilantes in the United States of America. I'm for enforcing law in a rational way. That's why you got a Border Patrol, and they ought to be in charge of enforcing the border.No mention of the "The Minuteman Project" project in the Q&A, yet the reporter invents a story linking the two.I'm just aghast that the Washington Times would be so sloppy/sarcasm.

38 posted on 03/24/2005 8:08:16 AM PST by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve to keep us free)
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To: Stu Cohen
We knew his policy on this issue well before the election. I can't really fathom anyone's surprise. It's not like he lied to the people. He said he wanted amnesty, and that is what he is pursuing. Yeah, we were given the choice of bad (Bush) or worse (Kerry). But he acts like we gave him a mandate for this stuff when he only mentioned it twice during the campaign because every time he did, the reaction was so negative. Actually I should correct myself. He only mentioned it twice in English prior to the election. He continued to advertise it in Spanish on his website.

39 posted on 03/24/2005 8:08:35 AM PST by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: mikemikemikecubed
Unbelievable! F'ing unbelievable. America is defending everyone on earth but ourselves-the Government won't protect our nation's soverienty, and forbids any American from doing anything on their own!!!!

Vigilantes?

I am just plain d*mn flabbergasted!!!!!!!!!




40 posted on 03/24/2005 8:08:54 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Hillary Rodhamclinton is phonier than a three dollar bill clinton.)
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To: yellowdoghunter
Absolutely correct. I just lost some respect for President Bush, something I thought would never happen Bush said he was going to do this before the election. Did you not believe him? Why did you just now lose respect when he proposed this last year?

41 posted on 03/24/2005 8:10:44 AM PST by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English)
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To: sarasota
Can someone please explain Bush's apparent lack of logic on border control? Latin Vote, that's it and that's all.

42 posted on 03/24/2005 8:10:48 AM PST by rattrap
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To: HiJinx
ping

43 posted on 03/24/2005 8:11:31 AM PST by CONSERVE
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To: jackbenimble
My only hope is that Congress won't support his wishes. We need to get on it and stay on it.

44 posted on 03/24/2005 8:12:14 AM PST by sarasota
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To: sarasota
"Can someone please explain Bush's apparent lack of logic on border control?"NAFTA, the unpublished parts.

45 posted on 03/24/2005 8:12:22 AM PST by jpsb
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To: Stu Cohen
"I threw my vote away."

You mean you didn't help "loose to Kerry"?

46 posted on 03/24/2005 8:12:32 AM PST by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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To: afz400
Why did I vote for the aHole?

Because with John Kerry as the other option, we really did not have a choice.

47 posted on 03/24/2005 8:12:37 AM PST by speed_addiction (Ninja's last words, "Hey guys. Watch me just flip out on that big dude over there!")
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To: isthisnickcool
He has yet to justify why we should allow illegals into America

Its not justifiable in terms of American sovereignty. However, the reason the borders are open is that there are many in Washington who desire a western hemispheric union. The "ministers" who are negotiating this to happen have stated that there must be a free flow of "migrants" into the United States-- this was decided at the second Summit of the Americas--

Migrant Workers

Governments will: (Not May or Shall>

- Reaffirm that the promotion and protection of human rights and the fundamental freedoms for all, without distinction by reasons of race, gender, language, nationality, or religion, is a priority for the international community and is the responsibility of every state.

- Comply with the applicable international human rights instruments and, consistent with the legal framework of each country, guarantee the human rights of all migrants, including migrant workers and their families.

- Seek full compliance with, and protection of, the human rights of all migrants, including migrant workers, and their families, and adopt effective measures, including the strengthening of public awareness, to prevent and eradicate violations of human rights and eliminate all forms of discrimination against them, particularly racial discrimination, xenophobia, and related intolerance.

- Reaffirm the sovereign right of each State to formulate and apply its own legal framework and policies for migration, including the granting of permission to migrants to enter, stay, or exercise economic activity, in full conformity with applicable international instruments relating to human rights and in a spirit of cooperation.

- Seek full respect for, and compliance with, the 1963 Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, especially as it relates to the right of nationals, regardless of their immigration status, to communicate with a consular officer of their own State in case of detention.

- Protect the rights of all migrant workers and their families, consistent with each country´s internal legal framework, by taking steps, in case they do not exist, to: 1) provide, with respect to working conditions, the same legal protection as for national workers; 2) facilitate, as appropriate, the payment of full wages owed when the worker has returned to his/her country, and allow them to arrange the transfer of their personal effects; 3) recognize the rights of citizenship and nationality of the children of all migrant workers who may be entitled to such rights, and any other rights they may have in each country; 4) encourage the negotiation of bilateral or multilateral agreements, regarding the remission of social security benefits accrued by migrant workers; 5) protect all migrant workers and their families, through law enforcement and information campaigns, from becoming victims of exploitation and abuse from alien smuggling; 6) prevent abuse and mistreatment of all migrant workers by employers or any authorities entrusted with the enforcement of migration policies and border control; and 7) encourage and promote respect for the cultural identity of all migrants.

- Support the activities of the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights with regard to the protection of the rights of migrant workers and their families, particularly through the Special Rapporteur for Migrant Workers.

II SUMMIT OF THE AMERICAS, PLAN OF ACTION

48 posted on 03/24/2005 8:12:37 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
Presidente Jorge Arbusto is derelict in his duties to protect our nation's borders in time of war.

49 posted on 03/24/2005 8:12:44 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- Enemies Foreign and Domestic Web Site -----)
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To: jackbenimble
Yeah, we were given the choice of bad (Bush) or worse (Kerry). But he acts like we gave him a mandate for this stuff when he only mentioned it twice during the campaign because every time he did, the reaction was so negative. Actually I should correct myself. He only mentioned it twice in English prior to the election. He continued to advertise it in Spanish on his website. The "lessor of two evils" things is getting a little thin. I don't think it was the intent of the forefathers to be this wat. Either resign yourself to this kind of silly stuff, or start throwing your votes away from the status-quo party. If you vote for the guy knowing his policy, it's kinda hard to complain afterward.

50 posted on 03/24/2005 8:13:05 AM PST by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English)
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To: RonPaulLives
Which is why he is saying this now and not before the elections.

51 posted on 03/24/2005 8:13:56 AM PST by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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To: speed_addiction
Because with John Kerry as the other option, we really did not have a choice. You don't have a choice because they tell you that you don't, and you (and everyone else) believes it. If Stalin and Hitler were on the ballot, who would you vote for? You certainly wouldn't want to throw your vote away. That would be crazy.

52 posted on 03/24/2005 8:14:43 AM PST by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English)
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To: hedgetrimmer
You are right. If the border is let go long enough and we have enough illegals here...eventually the Prez and Congress can say..."Well we are out of options, our only choice is to legalize everyone here and completely open the borders in the interest of joining the nations of Canada, Mexico, and the U.S."
They actually think the public is stupid.

53 posted on 03/24/2005 8:15:20 AM PST by sheana
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To: mikemikemikecubed
The President is dead wrong.

54 posted on 03/24/2005 8:15:20 AM PST by cyborg (Sudanese refugee,"Mr.Schiavo I disagree with your opinion about not feeling pain when you starve.")
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To: mikemikemikecubed
For all the Bush Brownies - why does Bush want our country to become a pit for illegals and terrorists? Why doesnt Bush want to protect our soverignty? Why does Bush want to put our citizens at risk, and ruin our schools, hospitals? Why does Bush want American families to face more crime and drugs?

Time to wake up Bush is an elitist and could give a damn about you and I.

55 posted on 03/24/2005 8:15:47 AM PST by sasafras (unity not diversity is what made America great)
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To: sarasota
"Can someone please explain Bush's apparent lack of logic on border control?" He is taking care of his rich elite friends/campaign contributors who want an unlimited supply of cheap labor to exploit.

56 posted on 03/24/2005 8:15:54 AM PST by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: Stu Cohen
It is one thing to say he is for letting them come here for jobs, it is another to call citizens that help monitor the border (and do not interact with the illegals) as vigilanties.

57 posted on 03/24/2005 8:16:14 AM PST by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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To: mikemikemikecubed
I don't know about everybody else, but:I no longer owe allegiance to the authority of an illegitimate government. I am DONE with the so-called conservatives and Republicans....Bush has kissed Mexican butt ONE to many times for this Texas gal! We vote, we petition, we protest, we write, we call....we finally get so fed up with governmental lip-service that some decide to TRY and stem the flood themselves. How are we rewarded? Our politicians spit in our faces, wipe their backside with the laws they SWORE ON THE HOLY BIBLE to uphold and THEN try to tell us we need to be 'rational' about enforcing the law!!! If the government had been RATIONAL 20 or 30 YEARS ago when the people started complaining about it, it wouldn't be a problem NOW! Conservatives are always astonished that the blacks continually run around on the 'Democrat's Plantation', but what are WE for constantly taking this crap from our *leaders*?

58 posted on 03/24/2005 8:17:20 AM PST by MamaTexan (The foundation of a Republic --- Man owes obedience to his Creator, NOT his creation.)
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To: Travis McGee
Write fast, buddy.

Events are moving pretty fast and you want to stay ahead of them.

I want to read about it before it happens, not afterward.

59 posted on 03/24/2005 8:17:52 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: mikemikemikecubed
Mr President, do your fkn job and there won't be "vigilantes"

60 posted on 03/24/2005 8:18:01 AM PST by bahblahbah
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To: Stu Cohen
Why is he pushing this on us??? Can you explain what is the reason for it? Every single statistic that I have seen is that it is costing us Billions, but business is getting a break in cheap labor. Bush is becoming an enemy and I only put himn one step above Kerry.

61 posted on 03/24/2005 8:18:57 AM PST by sasafras (unity not diversity is what made America great)
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To: looscnnn
It is one thing to say he is for letting them come here for jobs That's not exactly what he said. He wasn't requiring the ones who were here illegally to go home. Nor was he telling anyone how it would be enforced, since it currently is not being enforced. Anyway you slice it, that's amnesty. You have to learn to speak "politician". "Revenue Enchancement" anyone? it is another to call citizens that help monitor the border (and do not interact with the illegals) as vigilanties. Yeah, that's *almost* as stupid as amnesty when millions cross the border each year. But not quite as stupid.

62 posted on 03/24/2005 8:19:00 AM PST by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English)
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To: Stu Cohen
... If Stalin and Hitler were on the ballot, who would you vote for?...

We'll find out, since that'll be the ballot in 08.

63 posted on 03/24/2005 8:19:38 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: mikemikemikecubed
Someday maybe I'll find out Fox's astonishing hold on GW Bush.

64 posted on 03/24/2005 8:20:49 AM PST by Mamzelle (and how do you like your blue-eyed boy, mr. death?)
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To: mdittmar
Puhlease, they are trying to say that the people monitoring the border (both citizens and government agents) are the ones that are "hunting" "migrant people".

65 posted on 03/24/2005 8:21:08 AM PST by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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To: mikemikemikecubed
I have gotten tired of President Bush on certain domestic items like immigration. If Kerry was not worse on every item, I would have abstained or voted for a Third Party.

66 posted on 03/24/2005 8:21:21 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: sasafras
Why is he pushing this on us??? Can you explain what is the reason for it? No. I don't understand it at all. It has been a cause of his for awhile, and I never quite got it. I think he may have a slight man-crush on Vicente Fox (or maybe a full on romance), but i'm not sure. He does the guy's bidding. Every single statistic that I have seen is that it is costing us Billions, but business is getting a break in cheap labor. Bush is becoming an enemy and I only put himn one step above Kerry. When you encourage the country to be invaded, you aren't a step above anyone, IMHO. That's worse than a BJ under the desk.

67 posted on 03/24/2005 8:21:38 AM PST by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English)
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To: Mamzelle
Someday maybe I'll find out Fox's astonishing hold on GW Bush. I just hope it's above the waist. I'm beginning to wonder.

68 posted on 03/24/2005 8:22:53 AM PST by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English)
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To: Stu Cohen
I am beginning to believe that he patterend himself after Bill Clinton's successful campaign style.

Define yourself as the savior of all the things they can't live without, and then stir in an equal measure of things they can't live with.

Sounds d*mn near satanic, doesn't it?

69 posted on 03/24/2005 8:23:07 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Hillary Rodhamclinton is phonier than a three dollar bill clinton.)
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To: rattrap
--Can someone please explain Bush's apparent lack of logic on border control?--

--Latin Vote, that's it and that's all.--

And, if that's the case, it's still not logical. The illegals vote for Democrats, peiod (now if that doesn't speak volumes for our situation). And a large percentage of the middle class hispanics are not in favor of having all these illegals.

Personally, I think we, as private citizens, have a