Thread: Public Being Snookered on Amnesty Bill in US House?

Published on Monday, 05 August 2013 05:28
Written by J. D. Longstreet
Right Side News

I don't know, but I have this queasy feeling in the pit of my stomach that is screaming at me that we voters are having the wool pulled over our eyes by the US House of Representatives concerning the Immigration Reform bill, known otherwise by its more truthful moniker -- the Amnesty for Illegal Aliens bill.

In the past few days I have become convinced the House is going to pass that monstrous bill no matter the opposition against it by the electorate.

I am ashamed of the GOP. It is not the political party I was proudly a member of for a solid fifty years -- until last November, to be exact. After the awful handling of the republican campaign for president I had had it up to the gills with the lack of testosterone within the hierarchy of the party. Before that election was over I had become convinced that the GOP was actually trying to lose the election -- keep the numbers reasonably close, but lose, nonetheless.

Look. The blue bloods and the country club set who are, for the most part, liberal republicans and/or moderate republicans, seem far more interested in maintaining their prestigious positions in the Congress than in acting in the best interests of the voters and the country as a whole.

It is despicable! Nevertheless, to an outsider looking in, that is exactly what it looks like, just more underhanded, duplicitous, back room deal making.

Early last month (July 2013) the chance for passage of the immigration bill in the US House seemed to be slim and nine. Rep. Doug Lamborn of Colorado was quoted in the press as saying: "there's almost unanimous agreement among the Republicans that the Senate bill is fatally flawed."

The bill most certainly IS flawed, in many ways, chief among them is not securing the southern border -- FIRST -- before anything else, and that so-called pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens who are already criminals for having broken US law when they jumped the border fence and entered the country illegally. It's the same as breaking and entering into your abode -- into your home.

The chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, Buck McKeon of California has been quoted in the press as saying: "There was pretty strong consensus that the border has to be secured before anything else." Well, DUH!!!

Early last month (July 2013) Speaker of the House, John Boehner, issued the following statement:

"Today House Republicans affirmed that rather than take up the flawed legislation rushed through the Senate, House committees will continue their work on a step-by-step, common-sense approach to fixing what has long been a broken system. The American people want our border secured, our laws enforced, and the problems in our immigration system fixed to strengthen our economy. But they don't trust a Democratic-controlled Washington, and they're alarmed by the president's ongoing insistence on enacting a single, massive, Obamacare-like bill rather than pursuing a step-by-step, common-sense approach to actually fix the problem. The president has also demonstrated he is willing to unilaterally delay or ignore significant portions of laws he himself has signed, raising concerns among Americans that this administration cannot be trusted to deliver on its promises to secure the border and enforce laws as part of a single, massive bill like the one passed by the Senate."

You know what's frightening about Boehner's statement above? He uses the words "common sense" not once -- but TWICE! Any time our national legislators begin referring to "common sense" it scares the heck out of me. The depth of their lack of that quality is immeasurable.

Look. It is no secret that our immigration policy is out of whack. It has been for too long now. But we don't need a "Grand Plan" to fix it. What we need is a moratorium on immigration for an undetermined length of time until we can devise a cool-headed approach to fix what ails the current policy. Much of the "fix" I suspect would be simply enforcing the law we already have on the books.

The first thing we must do is secure the borders of the United States. Heck, we have US troops securing borders of foreign countries today and yet, our own border is as porous as a cullender. Plus, it MUST be understood that amnesty/pathway to citizenship is off the table ... period. If you're in the country illegally and we find you, we WILL arrest you and deport you.

Believe me when I tell you that in the southern states there is absolutely no sense of compromise on amnesty/pathway to citizenship.

Consider the words of Representative Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.):

"I cannot sell in South Carolina a border security plan where the security comes after the legalization. I can't sell a border security plan where Janet Napolitano gets to tell us the border is secure. I can't tell sell a border security plan when the executive can turn on and off triggers for politically expedient reasons, nor would I try to sell any of those plans." SOURCE: Real Clear Politics

It is a sad commentary on America when I cannot believe that my government will do what it says it will. Even with all the assurances coming from the House of Representatives that the Immigration Reform Bill will not pass in the House, I believe that it will.

Yeah, I know. I have a real problem with suspending my disbelief. You won't be surprised to learn that I don't believe in the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny, either.

http://www.rightsidenews.com/2013080...-us-house.html

Originally Posted by Jean

Published on Monday, 05 August 2013 05:28
Written by J. D. Longstreet
Right Side News

I don't know, but I have this queasy feeling in the pit of my stomach that is screaming at me that we voters are having the wool pulled over our eyes by the US House of Representatives concerning the Immigration Reform bill, known otherwise by its more truthful moniker -- the Amnesty for Illegal Aliens bill.

In the past few days I have become convinced the House is going to pass that monstrous bill no matter the opposition against it by the electorate.

I am ashamed of the GOP. It is not the political party I was proudly a member of for a solid fifty years -- until last November, to be exact. After the awful handling of the republican campaign for president I had had it up to the gills with the lack of testosterone within the hierarchy of the party. Before that election was over I had become convinced that the GOP was actually trying to lose the election -- keep the numbers reasonably close, but lose, nonetheless.

It is a sad commentary on America when I cannot believe that my government will do what it says it will. Even with all the assurances coming from the House of Representatives that the Immigration Reform Bill will not pass in the House, I believe that it will.

Yeah, I know. I have a real problem with suspending my disbelief. You won't be surprised to learn that I don't believe in the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny, either.

http://www.rightsidenews.com/2013080...-us-house.html

And it's sad to see people place hope in the so called Grand Old Party and that the fresh new blood will be any different to the crap we have now in D.C.. What we need is a Grand New Party, GNP, not a patched up GOP. Kick out all those in the Senate and House tomorrow, dismantle the the party's HQ, fire everyone, and start over fresh. They can all run for a seat in their respective state capitols or get on the corporate gravy train for all I care, but stay away from D.C.

Term limits necessary to clean the city(DC) of rats, either that or a third party while I have concerns about a third party with our country divide so bad via the news media it may be our only hope.

Originally Posted by oldguy

Term limits necessary to clean the city(DC) of rats, either that or a third party while I have concerns about a third party with our country divide so bad via the news media it may be our only hope.

It IS our only hope. We have three whole years to get off our butts and form a viable third party built and run by everyday people like you and I through the Internet. We failed to do mobilize pre-2012 and we cannot afford to fail again or either of the current corrupt parties will take control again for another 8 years.

Originally Posted by oldguy

Term limits necessary to clean the city(DC) of rats, either that or a third party while I have concerns about a third party with our country divide so bad via the news media it may be our only hope.

Guys, there is no time to build a Third party from scratch, we should use the Tea Party to spearhead our agenda since it matches our core beliefs with restoring the Republic to its Constitutional Basis & Rule of Law as well as Illegal Immigration. We need to Reform the Republican values back to Conservaitism. It has been hijacked by Rinos.

Third party is a death march to the dust bin.

We did it with Ted Cruz here in Texas.

It can be done any where.

All it takes is for U.S. get out and vote.

250 million includeing the 5 million illegals who vote.

Only 120 million voted in 2012 for Pres. ect.

Takes only 5 million or more to get up and go vote and the whole thing gets fixed.

We have bad chiefs who sell U.S. out for the gold and power. Same thing that happened to Mangus Colorados and the Apache who fought for 400 years only to be sold out by bad chiefs such as ours now in D.C. and those who work as "scouts" to lead the bad guys to our camps.

Originally Posted by apachesknow

Third party is a death march to the dust bin.

We did it with Ted Cruz here in Texas.

It can be done any where.

All it takes is for U.S. get out and vote.

250 million includeing the 5 million illegals who vote.

Only 120 million voted in 2012 for Pres. ect.

Takes only 5 million or more to get up and go vote and the whole thing gets fixed.

We have bad chiefs who sell U.S. out for the gold and power. Same thing that happened to Mangus Colorados and the Apache who fought for 400 years only to be sold out by bad chiefs such as ours now in D.C. and those who work as "scouts" to lead the bad guys to our camps.

The same Ted Cruz who said if the GOP does not court the Hispanic vote, it will seize to exist in Texas? That Ted Cruz? Oh and what about Rand Paul you ask? He made it clear he accepts legalization, oh but his plan is different because we secure our borders first right?

Listen, I don't trust any politician and you can just look at Marco Rubio as one example. A third party is the ONLY solution and it's frankly disheartening to see people repeating the same mistake election after election, it's the reason the country is the hole it is in. We need to stop believing that the current crop of politicians are the answer or that we can somehow "reform" the current party. Again, we need to STOP this idea once and for all. A THIRD PARTY IS NEEDED NOW.

Originally Posted by Reciprocity

Guys, there is no time to build a Third party from scratch, we should use the Tea Party to spearhead our agenda since it matches our core beliefs with restoring the Republic to its Constitutional Basis & Rule of Law as well as Illegal Immigration. We need to Reform the Republican values back to Conservaitism. It has been hijacked by Rinos.

In NC, the TEA party is just a group of people, not a political party. It is next to impossible to get another party on the ballot here. The Libertarians are now on the ballot because they got on 4 years ago by petition, and then received like 2% of the vote so they are allowed on the ballot again. I believe they reached the threshold percentage again in 2012 and so will be on the ballot again in 4 years, but they are the only ones who have been able to do it. I voted for their candidate in our governor's race this year just so they could be on the ballot next time (and I knew the GOP candidate was going to win).

I and many others in NC are working to reform the GOP by bringing it back to true constitutional, liberty loving, fiscally limited government conservatism, and we have had some success. Still working at it though, as frustrating as it can be sometimes! I've seen supposed "conservatives" do things that would curl your hair, all to maintain their hold on power. Ugh

Originally Posted by googler

The same Ted Cruz who said if the GOP does not court the Hispanic vote, it will seize to exist in Texas? That Ted Cruz? Oh and what about Rand Paul you ask? He made it clear he accepts legalization, oh but his plan is different because we secure our borders first right?

Listen, I don't trust any politician and you can just look at Marco Rubio as one example. A third party is the ONLY solution and it's frankly disheartening to see people repeating the same mistake election after election, it's the reason the country is the hole it is in. We need to stop believing that the current crop of politicians are the answer or that we can somehow "reform" the current party. Again, we need to STOP this idea once and for all. A THIRD PARTY IS NEEDED NOW.

When did Ted Cruz say that? Link?

Are you involved in politics or government at all? If you were, you would realize, as Reciprocity said, that there is NO TIME to build a party from scratch. And many states make it very difficult for third parties to get on the ballot. Better to reform the GOP with those 5 million voters Apachesknow mentioned, if they'll just get off their keisters and DO something!! And I knew Marco Rubio was no good from the start--he talked out of both sides of his mouth at the same time, but people hear what they want to hear.

Originally Posted by imblest

When did Ted Cruz say that? Link?

Are you involved in politics or government at all? If you were, you would realize, as Reciprocity said, that there is NO TIME to build a party from scratch. And many states make it very difficult for third parties to get on the ballot. Better to reform the GOP with those 5 million voters Apachesknow mentioned, if they'll just get off their keisters and DO something!! And I knew Marco Rubio was no good from the start--he talked out of both sides of his mouth at the same time, but people hear what they want to hear.

This is what he said back in November days after the election:

“If Republicans do not do better in the Hispanic community,” he said, “in a few short years Republicans will no longer be the majority party in our state.” He ticked off some statistics: in 2004, George W. Bush won forty-four per cent of the Hispanic vote nationally; in 2008, John McCain won just thirty-one per cent. On Tuesday, Romney fared even worse.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...?currentPage=2

Do I need to pull up the stuff Paul Ryan and Rand Paul has said in recent months?

All these politicians are only looking out for their own personal interests and ambitions, not ours. If you say you knew about Marco Rubio, why are falling for the same tricks again then? They're not on our side and you're only helping to prop up this two party system by continuing to have some sort of hope that they'll be able to change. When does it stop? Will it take another 4 years for most to see the light? 8? 12? When can we say that if the Republican party is not where we want it to be, we go third party? We cannot continue to move the goal posts further back believing that they just need a little bit more time to get there, as more time passes the deeper in the hole we get.