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Support for German Right Surges as Chemnitz Protests Continue!!!
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Here's why the Chemnitz protests may finally push Germany fully to the nationalist right!
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The Chemnitz Response is why the Actual Far Left and Right Will Keep Growing in Germany
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Published on Aug 29, 2018
When you ignore that the vast bulk of protestors were not far right, but label them as such, you psychologically enforce an "us vs them" mentality in which people are fractured along increasingly dichotomous lines: https://tinyurl.com/y8l624ek
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virtue signaling people in Germany are starting to see common sense
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https://yt3.ggpht.com/a-/ACSszfFQItx...ffffff-rj-k-noReverend Simon Sideways Family Friendly.
Published on Aug 30, 2018
pathological altruism has its limits, when it becomes obvious things have gone drastically wrong. we must start the debate again, do not let thugs from the likes of momentum and union backed ANTIFA prevent it as this is very dangerous. this will permit extremists at both ends of the political spectrum oxygen to grow and that path leads to to violence. https://www.economist.com/europe/2018... political correctness is stopping the debate.
Airbornesapper07 reported this as possibly being in the wrong forum. Better suited for Other Topics than General Discussion so moving now.
Thank you.
Mod have discussed and feel it was justified to be in General Discussion as originally posted. Sorry for the back and forth.
To spy or not to spy? German parties split over AfD
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Reuters September 3, 2018
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By Andrea Shalal
BERLIN (Reuters) - Differences emerged between Germany's governing parties on Monday over how to respond to the Alternative for Germany's (AfD) alleged ties to anti-Islamic and racist groups, as calls grew for the far-right party to be placed under surveillance.
About 6,000 supporters of the AfD and the anti-Islam PEGIDA group turned out to a series of protests in the eastern city of Chemnitz after a man was stabbed to death there last weekend, allegedly by two immigrants.
Skinheads clashed with police soon after a Syrian and an Iraqi were identified as the main suspects, and a number of xenophobic attacks were reported, exposing bitter divisions over Chancellor Angela Merkel's liberal immigration policy.
On Monday, the states of Lower Saxony and Bremen said their regional security services, tasked with policing unconstitutional activity, had placed their respective regional chapters of Young Alternative, the largest opposition party's youth wing, under surveillance because of its suspected ties.
But with pressure from politicians and activists to extend that surveillance to the national party, conservative Chancellor Angela Merkel declined to enter the fray directly, saying it was for the security services themselves to decide whom to monitor.
"These aren't political decisions, but decisions that are based on facts," she told reporters after a summit of business leaders and labor unions, attended also by Olaf Scholz, her Social Democrat finance minister.
Scholz said he agreed on the principle, but added at the same news conference that the clashes in Chemnitz gave clear cause for a renewed look at whether the AfD, which entered parliament for the first time last year, should be monitored.
Germany's constitution contains strict safeguards against extremism, allowing for the close monitoring and even the proscribing of extremist parties.
Intelligence agencies monitor the far left and far right as well as Islamists suspected of planning attacks.
Memories of Nazi and Communist oppression have made Germans very cautious about state surveillance, but a poll on Monday found that 57 percent agreed that the AfD should be monitored.
"The country has clearly gone mad," said Joerg Meuthen, the AfD's chairman, saying that far-left rock bands should be monitored for extremist tendencies.
ROCK OR NOT?
A group of left-leaning rock groups gave a free concert "against xenophobia" in Chemnitz on Monday evening, inadvertently highlighting splits between Germany's mainstream left and right.
German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier, formally politically neutral but originally a Social Democrat, shared the invitation to the concert on his Facebook page, drawing criticism from Merkel's party.
Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer, general secretary of Merkel's Christian Democrats, said one of the bands, named "Fine Cream Fish Fillet", called for violence against the police in some of its lyrics. Earlier presidents "would not have supported the band so uncritically", she said.
Federal Interior Minister Horst Seehofer and his Bavarian CSU party say the conditions have not been met to monitor the AfD as a whole, but they will keep an eye on developments and individuals.
Support for the AfD, which won nearly 13 percent in last year's federal election, rose two percentage points to 16 percent in an RTL opinion poll after the events in Chemnitz.
Critics have faulted the party for not expelling Bjoern Hoecke, an AfD leader from the state of Thuringia who has criticized a memorial to victims of the Nazi Holocaust as a "monument of shame" and helped organize Saturday's march.
(Additional reporting by Hans-Edzard Busemann, Andreas Rinke and Joseph Nasr in Berlin and Peter Mlodoch in Hanover; Editing by David Stamp and Andrew Roche)
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THOUSANDS OF PROTESTERS MARCH IN GERMANY AGAINST ANGELA MERKEL’S IMMIGRATION POLICY
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Thousands of protesters marched in Germany on Saturday night to protest German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s immigration policy after a man was allegedly killed by two migrants.
Around 4,500 people marched to protest Merkel’s migration policy in the eastern German city of Chemnitz following the death of Daniel Hillig, 35, who was allegedly stabbed to death by two migrants — one Syrian, the other Iraqi — Aug. 26, the Daily Mail reported. Merkel let in more than 1 million migrants since starting her open door migration policy in 2015, The Wall Street Journal reported.
The protest, called the “mourning march,” was organized by the right-wing, anti-immigration party the Alternative for Germany and the anti-Islam movement PEGIDA, France24 reported. The protesters wore dark suits and carried white roses in remembrance of the victim. The protesters also carried photos of other people allegedly killed from refugee violence.
Protesters also waved the German flag and sang the national anthem.
“Merkel must go!” the protesters chanted.
Around 2,500 people from Germany’s left marched in support of Merkel Saturday. The protesters used the slogan the “Heart instead of Hate.” Germany’s Foreign Minister Heiko Maas from the center-left Social Democrats party helped organize the pro-immigration protest.
Neo-Nazis led a separate protest Monday causing a stir after making “Heil Hitler” salutes, CBS News reported.
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We ALL need to unite, join hands and STOP this unrelenting invasion of our countries.
Cut off the freebies and deport them all.
We are not the ATM machine or dumping ground for the world.
We are not the solution to YOUR problems...YOU are the solution to your problems...now go home!
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Exclusive Report from Chemnitz After Mass Protest Against Immigrant Violence in Germany
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Nicolai Der Volkslehrer (The Folk Teacher) gives Red Ice TV an exclusive report from the streets of Chemnitz, Germany. After yet another murder by a migrant, spontaneous mass-protests have been ongoing for days. Nationalists, anti-immigrant activists and every day folks are sick and feed up with the violence in Germany, that has been brought by Merkel's open borders and endless waves of migrants. Check out their German YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/DerVolkslehrer
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The German Awakening - Chemnitz
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Is #Chemnitz the anticipated Spark? / Macron, Orban & Salvini / Trump on SA / AFS
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Syrian Refugees Attack German Nightclub; Shout ‘Allahu Akbar!’
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https://yt3.ggpht.com/a-/AN66SAzcqq1...ffffff-rj-k-noDr. Steve Turley
Published on Sep 5, 2018
All this while a silly rock concert celebrates globalism in Chemnitz!
German Protesters Take To The Streets After Young Man Dies In Brawl With Two Afghan Immigrants
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Far-right and opposition anti-fascist crowds have taken part in protests in Köthen in eastern Germany, where a German man earlier died following an alleged fight with Afghan men.
Sun, 09/09/2018 - 19:09
With memories from the recent Chemnitz riots still fresh in German minds, on Sunday hundreds of protesters took to the streets of the eastern German city of Kothen once again, after a 22-year-old man died following a brawl with two Afghan nationals, who were arrested. The man, who was originally reported to have been killed, died after suffering heart failure medics said.
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The victim intervened in a dispute over a German woman, which, according to Sachsen Anhalt and witness reports, involved the two suspects and a third Afghan man. Germany's Bild reported that the argument was about who got the woman pregnant.
"Two Afghans were provisionally detained on suspicion of homicide," police said on Sunday.
While first accounts said the man was beaten to death after he stepped into the row with another German, local press later reported that the 22-year-old died of a heart failure. The autopsy found the death to be “not in direct relationship” with the injuries suffered and that the man had a pre-existing heart disease, according to the prosecutor’s office.
Bürgerbewegung PRO CHEMNITZ
12 hours ago
Und der Wahnsinn geht weiter! Überall werden Deutsche wie Vieh abgeschlachtet, wir dürfen uns das nicht gefallen lassen!
Kommt alle am Freitag um 18:30 Uhr vors Karl-Marx-Monument.
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Streit eskaliert: 22-Jähriger offenbar totgeprügelt
Tragisches Ende eines Streits: Bei einer Auseinandersetzung am Samstag in Köthen ist ein 22-Jähriger ums Leben gekommen. Zwei Verdächtige wurden festgenommen.
That did not stop hundreds of protesters from taking to the streets of Kothen, hours after anti-migrant activists in Chemnitz launched a separate call for protests in their city, also in eastern Germany.
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Police were deployed to help prevent violent clashes and the city's mayor had advised residents to stay at home. Two water cannon were also brought in, according to RT.
A local pastor, Martin Olejnicki, said that every effort now had to be made to ease tensions, adding that the church would pray every day "for the victim, his family members and peace in the city"."It is always a kind of danger - we just had Chemnitz - and so things could escalate and I believe nobody wants that," he said. "That's why we are trying to appease all sides and to talk to people and tell them that it's not the moment to let things escalate."The death comes shortly after the killing in late August of another German man in the city of Chemnitz. He was stabbed and killed by a group of asylum seekers, believed to be from Iraq and Syria, a murder which has galvanized the right-wing in Germany and sent the anti-immigrant AfD party soaring in the polls.
Pro Chemnitz, a group which has organized protests against Germany’s immigration policy in the Chemnitz since the August killing, said that last night’s death was evidence that “Germans are slaughtered everywhere,” asserting that “we must not let this happen again.”Those opposing Angela Merkel’s open-borders policy have been using the murders as further evidence that crime and insecurity have soared since the chancellor let in millions of asylum seekers three years ago.
Meanwhile, Merkel, whose loose immigration policies were the catalyst for Europe's refuge backlash, warned that "vigilante justice" would not be tolerated.
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Rioting In Germany Exposes The Growing Power Of The Far Right
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"The rioters are seen as not really at fault for the violence and disorder they create; instead, they are seen as a symptom of the decay of law and order, where the only solution is to give the rioters what they want..."
Tue, 09/11/2018 - 05:00
Submitted by Jordan Stancil of The Nation
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After rioting in the eastern-German city of Chemnitz on August 26 and 27 by neo-Nazis and other forces of the extreme right, many observers are questioning whether far-right sympathies among the security forces allowed things to get out of hand.
The riots broke out in the wake of a fatal stabbing in the city (with a population of about 250,000, it’s the third-largest in Saxony, after Leipzig and Dresden) in the early morning hours of Sunday, August 26, during a brawl at the tail end of a street festival. Two men, an Iraqi and a Syrian, were arrested, and a news website, Tag24, reported that the victim, a German-Cuban man, had been killed while trying to protect a woman from sexual assault. More reputable German media have said that the Tag24 report was false. The details of the incident remain unclear, but the fact of the stabbing and the arrest of two foreigners provided a pretext for the right-wing violence that followed.
The way these riots developed illustrates how right-wing groups and parties in Germany interact, and how they are creating, all together, a sharp rightward shift in the country’s political climate. The first group on the scene was organized by the far-right Alternative für Deutschland (AfD), which is today the largest opposition party in the German parliament. At 3 o’clock on Sunday afternoon, the AfD gathered about a hundred people peacefully in the city center, but they left after an hour because, according to one of their officials, they did not want to mix with the more violent group that was coming on the scene next.
This next group included Kaotic Chemnitz, a band of soccer hooligans. They came out to riot, not to demonstrate. The hooligans were able to mobilize about 800 people, who showed up around 4:30; video emerged online that appeared to show rioters chasing down people perceived to be immigrants. Chancellor Angela Merkel condemned the “hounding” of people in the streets of Chemnitz, while the police seemed unable to control the situation.
The following day, August 27, a much larger right-wing rally occurred—this time with about 6,000 participants and about 1,000 left-wing counter-demonstrators—organized by a small local political party called Pro Chemnitz, which has three seats on the city council. Participating openly in this rally were neo-Nazi groups such as Third Way, the National Socialists of Chemnitz, and the NPD, a racist political party. The police appeared even more outmanned than they had been on Sunday, with the right-wing forces able at times to actually attack and break through police lines. Eighteen rioters and two police officers were reported injured.
Demonstrations surrounding the stabbing and the response to it continued to roil Chemnitz through the following weekend, with an anti-Nazi leftist rock concert attracting 65,000 people on September 3, dwarfing the right-wing crowds. Two days before, on September 1, an AfD rally had attracted only 4,500 people, who faced 4,000 counter-demonstrators. But even from a position of numerical weakness, the far right seems to be setting the agenda.
The groups that fuel the violence range from the soccer hooligans to a variety of banned or legally questionable neo-Nazi parties and movements. Some of these groups try to distance themselves from the others for tactical reasons, although they all work toward the same disorderly result. Some of the hooligans are just out for violence, and there was some speculation that Kaotic Chemnitz might have rallied because the victim of the stabbing seems to have been an active soccer fan. Some of the demonstrators might not be participants in Nazi or other right-wing parties, and could very well be voters of mainstream parties. But they buy into the idea that the “Volk” has to protect itself from perceived rising crime linked to immigration.
If the groups in the street are responsible for staging violence and chaos, political parties like the AfD, the Bavarian Christian Social Union (CSU), and even some parts of Merkel’s Christian Democratic Union (CDU) are responsible for helping to encourage, excuse, condone, or accommodate their activities.
So even as we saw the AfD withdraw from the public square in Chemnitz in order to avoid association with the soccer hooligans of Kaotic Chemnitz, one of the AfD’s leaders, Alice Weidel, posted on Facebook on Monday that the stabbing had proved that “the slaughter [by immigrants] continues.” Then there was the tweet by Markus Frohnmaier, an AfD politician who is a member of the German parliament. Frohnmaier’s tweet, issued as a mob was chasing down random nonwhite passersby in the streets of a major German city, said: “When the state can no longer protect its citizens, people will go into the streets and protect themselves. Very simple! Today it is the obligation of the citizen to stop the death-bringing ‘knife migration.’ It could have been your father, son, or brother!”
This tweet went too far, according to another AfD parliamentarian, Jens Maier from Dresden, which was a bit rich since Maier himself has been in trouble for saying that Norwegian terrorist Anders Breivik, who killed more than 70 people, was just acting out of “desperation” over high levels of immigration. In any event, the AfD’s co-chairman, Alexander Gauland, praised Frohnmaier’s tweet, saying that “self-defense is not vigilante justice.” The AfD leadership then issued a statement arguing that the problem was the media’s focus on justifiable rioting and not on the stabbing that unleashed it.
Meanwhile, federal Interior Minister Horst Seehofer of the CSU said nothing about the riots until Tuesday, when they were already over. He then expressed, in a statement, his “understanding” of the “dismay of the population”—as though the riots had been a spontaneous outpouring of sympathy for the stabbing victim when they were obviously a well-organized, well-choreographed display of far-right mob violence, driven by a set of actors known to Seehofer’s own ministry for their anti-constitutional, violent, and fascistic agendas. In this context, Seehofer’s pro forma condemnation of “calls to violence or violent rioting” seemed worse than unconvincing.
The ugly truth is that there seems to be in Germany a spirit of mutual accommodation among the neo-Nazis, parts of the mainstream right-wing political parties, the AfD, and even the police. A number of incidents from the past several months point in this direction.
For example, a prison guard in Dresden leaked to right-wing agitators the arrest warrant of one of the suspects in the August 26 stabbing, with enough gory details about the violent crime to fuel a lynch-mob mentality. The warrant appeared on the social-media sites of various provocateurs, including that of Lutz Bachmann, a founder of Patriotic Europeans against the Islamization of the West (PEGIDA), which has been holding anti-migrant marches in Dresden since October 2014. This leak, which was illegal, appears to have helped fuel public anger about the incident.
There was already an ongoing scandal involving the Saxon security services, because on August 16 the police in Dresden illegally detained a television crew from one of Germany’s public broadcasters at the behest of a far-right protester who claimed, erroneously, that the TV crew had no right to film him at a demonstration. This scandal deepened when it turned out that the protester was himself an employee of the police force with access to sensitive information.
The premier of Saxony, Michael Kretschmer, of Merkel’s CDU, then tweeted, à la Trump, that as far as he could see, “The only upstanding people in this video [of the incident] are the cops.” Although Kretschmer has strongly condemned the rioting in Chemnitz, he had seemed much more ambivalent about this other incident just a couple of weeks earlier. It is certainly possible that while composing his pro-police tweet, he had, somewhere in the back of his mind, thoughts of next year’s state elections in Saxony, especially with recent polling showing the AfD hard on his heels.
Another example: Earlier in the summer, a tell-all book by a young former AfD member alleged that Hans-Georg Maassen, the head of Germany’s Office for the Protection of the Constitution, an internal security service designed to monitor and stop dangerous political extremists, had met with then-AfD leader Frauke Petry (who is no longer in the party) to advise her on how the party could avoid monitoring. Maassen has denied offering such advice, but there have been calls for a parliamentary investigation.
In July, the trial of a neo-Nazi terror group, the National Socialist Underground (NSU), came to what victims’ advocates and many analysts found to be a very unsatisfying conclusion. The NSU committed 10 murders, two bomb attacks, and several bank robberies between 2000 and 2011. But only one person was charged with (and convicted of) the murders, along with just four others convicted of lesser offenses, leaving serious questions as to who else knew about the crimes—and protected the perpetrators. And in April, in response to a parliamentary inquiry, the German army reported that it was investigating 431 cases of illegal extreme-right activity within its ranks.
The inadequate police response to the rioting in Chemnitz also makes one wonder whether state and local officials are really willing to stand up to right-wing violence. These questions were made even more urgent when it became known, shortly after the riots, that the Office for the Protection of the Constitution had sent warnings to the Chemnitz police that thousands of rightists were going to descend on the city that evening. But the police still let themselves be outmanned by about 10 to one.
The politics of “law and order” play an interesting role in all of this. One of the AfD’s main talking points is that the Merkel government’s immigration policy is “illegal,” that it represents the destruction of the rule of law. The CSU’s Seehofer, though a member of Merkel’s cabinet, has made the same point, most famously in his attack on Merkel for creating “the rule of un-law” (Herrschaft des Unrechts) by allowing unknown migrants into the country.
The idea that the state is somehow not in control in Germany has thus spread far beyond the confines of the extreme-right fringe. In a nationally televised talk show in early July, Giovanni di Lorenzo, the editor in chief of the prestigious left-leaning weekly Die Zeit, summed up and endorsed this view: “There’s an impression of indifference [among the authorities], and from this indifference has developed an impression that the political center is somehow weak.”
Right-wing riots like those in Chemnitz reinforce this impression and are also fueled by it. The rioters are seen as not really at fault for the violence and disorder they create; instead, they are seen as a symptom of the decay of law and order, where the only solution is to give the rioters what they want. This dynamic was on display in the early 1990s, when a series of pogroms against foreigners and asylum seekers helped push the center-left to accept changes that weakened Germany’s asylum law.
The clearest example of how the right-wing framing of the problem can take hold far beyond the political fringes was the comment by Wolfgang Kubicki, deputy chairman of the Free Democratic Party. Kubicki said, “The roots of the riots lie in the ‘we can handle it’ of Chancellor Angela Merkel,” referring to Merkel’s famous assertion that Germany would be able to welcome the wave of refugees that arrived in 2015 and 2016. Now, the FDP is a classically liberal party that prides itself as being pro-business and pro–civil liberties, and Kubicki’s comment was criticized by the chairman of the party, Christian Lindner, and by the leader of the party’s youth wing, Ria Schröder. But if we are debating whether the violence of a Nazi mob was or was not caused by the presence of “too many” foreigners, or whether it is or is not acceptable to riot in “self-defense” when a nonwhite person commits a violent crime, then the extreme right has already won.
And of course we must not ask too many questions about the roots of neo-Nazi violence in eastern states like Saxony. As Christian Hirte, the CDU politician who is the German government’s top official for eastern affairs, reminded everyone in the wake of the Chemnitz riots, Saxony and the good Saxons “deserve our support and not a lecture.” Hirte is undoubtedly correct that there are many good people in Saxony, just like there are everywhere else. Now it’s time for them to show up.
Rioting In Germany Exposes The Growing Power Of The Far Right
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Shock Poll: Nationalist AfD MOST POPULAR PARTY in East Germany!!!
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Merkel's Nightmare: Here's why the nationalist right is surging in Germany!!