Thread: Arizona proposes another tough illegal immigration

Arizona lawmakers propose another tough illegal immigration law
Source: (AHN) Reporter: Tom Ramstack
Location: Phoenix, AZ, United States
Published: January 28, 2011 02:57 pm EST

Arizona lawmakers are heating up the debate over illegal immigration again with legislation they proposed Thursday that would change the legal definition of a citizen of their state.


The bill would exclude the children of immigrants from citizenship unless the parents were "lawfully" domiciled in Arizona.

Federal law now grants citizenship to anyone born in the United States.

If the state legislature passes the bill, it is nearly certain to run headlong into legal conflicts with the U.S. Constitution, according to legal analysts.

The new bill follows by one year approval of an Arizona law, Senate Bill 1070, that is the toughest state law against illegal immigration in the United States.

It authorized local police to question people about their citizenship status, which previously was exclusively an authority of federal law enforcement officers.

The law also allowed police to ask for proof of citizenship from anyone at a crime scene, even if they were not involved in illegal activity.

A federal judge issued an injunction last summer blocking enforcement of S.B. 1070.

Arizona Republican Rep. John Kavanagh, who co-sponsored the new bill, said current federal laws irresponsibly granted citizenship to people based on their physical location at birth, which was not a good way to determine whether they deserve the benefits of being Americans.

About 340,000 children were born to illegal immigrants in the United States in 2008, according to a study published in August by the Pew Hispanic Center.

About 4 percent of the nation’s estimated 11 million illegal immigrants live in Arizona.

Lawyers who participated in the challenge to S.B. 1070 say it stands almost no chance of withstanding a lawsuit in federal court.

They say it violates the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment, which forbids discrimination based on race or national origin.

Arizona lawmakers who drafted the bill say they would like their proposal to be challenged in court to force the federal government to confront problems with illegal immigration.

A similar bill was filed last week in the Indiana General Assembly. At least 10 states have considered proposals similar to the ones in Arizona.

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer and her supporters say states along the border with Mexico are suffering from the federal government’s failure to develop an effective policy for controlling illegal immigration.

A spokesman for Brewer said the proposal to restrict birth rights to citizenship “deserves to be studiedâ€

You have to hand it to Arizona, they are doing what most Americans wish their home State would do.

We need more and more states passing these laws. Laws that protect our country and our people.
Rubio is getting whimpy now and I'm on him more then once a day. He needs to stand behind Arizona by passing laws like they are. If more states join this fight it will be harder for the government to fight.
I am sick at heart to see someone like Rubio who rode the tide of the TEA party and now isn't so sure he wants that. He should be sent home a failure and someone else fill the shoes that he can't. We really do need to make these people sign a contract and if they break that contract they lose their job.
Go Arizona. At least they grew a pair and they won't stop fighting for the people of this country. Most of us have been left out in the cold.

Yup, really sucks when a politician renigs on their promises or covers up exactlty what some of the promises mean to them. Groups of voters not political parties get people elected, yet after they are in its all about the party, screw the voters. We should be able to have recall elections for presidents and congressional members and to start those recall process should be the normal promise and one through a much less needed signature bill and a court filing showing that they aren't even attempting at their campaign promises.

Of course then Obama would have been gone already. People called for immigration reform and he promised it. However he never specified what his ideal immigration reform was while the American people wanted the borders secured, illegals deported, the 14th amendment fixed, chain immigration stopped, and have work visa's and the visa lottery getting a second look and possibly lowered (course I'm for a hardline no lottery and very limited work visa's). Along with having things like spousal and minor child visa's for Citizens streamlined to be much quicker.

Yet Obama was secretely winking at the illegal crowd that he had their back all along. Treason pretty much.

Originally Posted by ReformUSA2012

Yup, really sucks when a politician renigs on their promises or covers up exactlty what some of the promises mean to them. Groups of voters not political parties get people elected, yet after they are in its all about the party, screw the voters. We should be able to have recall elections for presidents and congressional members and to start those recall process should be the normal promise and one through a much less needed signature bill and a court filing showing that they aren't even attempting at their campaign promises.

Of course then Obama would have been gone already. People called for immigration reform and he promised it. However he never specified what his ideal immigration reform was while the American people wanted the borders secured, illegals deported, the 14th amendment fixed, chain immigration stopped, and have work visa's and the visa lottery getting a second look and possibly lowered (course I'm for a hardline no lottery and very limited work visa's). Along with having things like spousal and minor child visa's for Citizens streamlined to be much quicker.

Yet Obama was secretely winking at the illegal crowd that he had their back all along. Treason pretty much.

Each President/ Congress person should be given a 6 month trial when elected.
If the main promises he/she made aren't in process or there's no legitimate explanation why they're not, and the LEGAL Voters are dissatisfied with what has or hasn't happen within the trial period.
A recall should take place. Or a vote for a recall.

The American public needs to have a memoryand those politicians who fail to do the job should be voted out. We need to be careful as to who we elect. This is where We The People have let America down. We have not been good stewards with our votes.

Originally Posted by BillCunnane

The American public needs to have a memoryand those politicians who fail to do the job should be voted out. We need to be careful as to who we elect. This is where We The People have let America down. We have not been good stewards with our votes.

There should be term limits for all elected officials.(In Fedral Office)

Originally Posted by mkfarnam

Originally Posted by BillCunnane

The American public needs to have a memoryand those politicians who fail to do the job should be voted out. We need to be careful as to who we elect. This is where We The People have let America down. We have not been good stewards with our votes.

There should be term limits for all elected officials.(In Fedral Office)

So true. I like the 2 term limit 12 years max between all the federal and state positions. 16 years max with Presidency included. (helps having 8 years in congress as a little experience I guess... maybe).

6 months really isn't enough time for most Presidents to do much unless use hardline tactics in most issues. Plus the people will be fine with it for 1-2 years or until a really really bad bill goes past like the healthcare. Need to have it closer to 1-2 years.

But we need to be able to recall easily whoever we need to be it congress or the president. Have some new system established for even a government signature hotline where people give their name, address, and maybe a voter registration number or SSN as long as the issues with legality are cleared up first on keeping illegals out of the system. The calls count towards a recall vote count which would then enable a new election or simply an impeachment vote by the people.

[quote="mkfarnam"]Arizona lawmakers propose another tough illegal immigration law
Source: (AHN) Reporter: Tom Ramstack
Location: Phoenix, AZ, United States
Published: January 28, 2011 02:57 pm EST

Arizona lawmakers are heating up the debate over illegal immigration again with legislation they proposed Thursday that would change the legal definition of a citizen of their state.


The bill would exclude the children of immigrants from citizenship unless the parents were "lawfully" domiciled in Arizona.

Federal law now grants citizenship to anyone born in the United States.

If the state legislature passes the bill, it is nearly certain to run headlong into legal conflicts with the U.S. Constitution, according to legal analysts.

The new bill follows by one year approval of an Arizona law, Senate Bill 1070, that is the toughest state law against illegal immigration in the United States.

It authorized local police to question people about their citizenship status, which previously was exclusively an authority of federal law enforcement officers.

The law also allowed police to ask for proof of citizenship from anyone at a crime scene, even if they were not involved in illegal activity.

A federal judge issued an injunction last summer blocking enforcement of S.B. 1070.

Arizona Republican Rep. John Kavanagh, who co-sponsored the new bill, said current federal laws irresponsibly granted citizenship to people based on their physical location at birth, which was not a good way to determine whether they deserve the benefits of being Americans.

About 340,000 children were born to illegal immigrants in the United States in 2008, according to a study published in August by the Pew Hispanic Center.

About 4 percent of the nation’s estimated 11 million illegal immigrants live in Arizona.

Lawyers who participated in the challenge to S.B. 1070 say it stands almost no chance of withstanding a lawsuit in federal court.

They say it violates the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment, which forbids discrimination based on race or national origin.

Arizona lawmakers who drafted the bill say they would like their proposal to be challenged in court to force the federal government to confront problems with illegal immigration.

A similar bill was filed last week in the Indiana General Assembly. At least 10 states have considered proposals similar to the ones in Arizona.

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer and her supporters say states along the border with Mexico are suffering from the federal government’s failure to develop an effective policy for controlling illegal immigration.

A spokesman for Brewer said the proposal to restrict birth rights to citizenship “deserves to be studiedâ€