White House to reveal immigration plan tomorrow (amnesty)

White House to reveal immigration proposal tomorrow (amnesty alert)
Liberty Post
10/17/2005

WASHINGTON -- White House proposals for overhauling immigration laws are expected to be unveiled Tuesday when two Cabinet secretaries appear before a committee considering legislation to reform the system.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff and Labor Secretary Elaine Chao are scheduled to testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

They will discuss proposals to bolster border security and create a guest-worker program.

Despite a legislative agenda dominated by hurricane relief and the Iraq war, the White House said immigration reform remains a priority for President Bush.

"We need to continue to take steps to strengthen our border and improve the interior enforcement of our immigration laws," said White House spokesman Scott McClellan.

"And we plan to move forward on a temporary worker program," McClellan said.

The president's call for a guest worker program has received little support from conservative Republicans in Congress, who call it an amnesty program for those who have entered the country illegally.

However, the Judiciary Committee is considering two bills that would create guest worker programs, which have bipartisan support and the blessing of business interests.

Bush wants Congress to strengthen border enforcement before it tackles a guest worker program, but the administration has offered few details about what it wants in an immigration reform bill.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said last week it was unlikely the Senate could juggle the crowded legislative calendar and pass before the end of the year an immigration bill that includes a guest worker provision.

Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, chairman of the Senate Judiciary subcommittee on immigration, suggested it would be next year before a complete reform bill is taken up by the Senate.

Nonetheless, the Judiciary Committee is moving ahead with its proposals to add manpower to the Southwest border, improve equipment and build more detention beds.

That approach is favored by House Republican leaders, like Rep. Lamar Smith, R-San Antonio, who have asked the Bush administration to forego its push for a guest worker program until the federal government can fully protect the borders.

The split among Republicans over immigration has put that party at a crossroads, analysts said Monday.

A poll Monday showed that 78 percent of 800 likely GOP voters support earned legalization for undocumented immigrants over an enforcement only approach.

"Republican voters strongly favor a comprehensive immigration reform plan that combines the stick of tighter borders and tougher enforcement with the carrot of a path to citizenship through an earned legalization process," said Ed Goeas with the Tarrance Group, a GOP polling firm.

The Republican Party is at a turning point on immigration, said Tamar Jacoby, a senior fellow with the Manhattan Institute for Policy Research.

Jacoby said the poll "shows that Republican voters see the hardliners' tough talk for the posturing it is and side with the reformers."

"Republican voters understand that enforcement alone will not fix the broken status quo, and they are demanding that the party step up to the plate with a solution worthy of the name," she said.

Cornyn and Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., have proposed an overhaul of immigration laws that would add 10,000 new Border Patrol agents and 1,000 customs inspectors over the next 10 years.

The bill also includes a guest worker provision, but would require undocumented immigrants to return to their country of origin to apply for the program - a requirement that has been criticized as unworkable.

Another bill by Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., would allow undocumented workers in this country to participate in a guest worker program after paying fines for illegal entry. Guest workers could also apply for permanent citizenship.

The McCain-Kennedy bill has received bipartisan support and an endorsement of minority rights groups urging Congress to streamline immigration laws to better accommodate economic immigrants.

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Their poll says 78% of likely Republican voters in favor of amnesty. Who the hell were they polling?

The Bush administration has a BIG surprise in store for them tomorrow. Get the rotten tomatos and other heavy artillery ready folks. They are going to be dodging for cover by the time we get done with their retched "amnesty" plan.

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Their poll says 78% of likely Republican voters in favor of amnesty. Who the hell were they polling?

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I'm so glad you asked.

Here it is:

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Immigration Polling

The Tarrance Group and Lake Snell Perry Mermin recently released a national poll that indicates strong support for bipartisan comprehensive immigration reform legislation.

The poll, of 800 American “likely voters,� was conducted March 20-22. It was commissioned by the American Immigration Lawyers Association and the National Immigration Forum.

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No bias there, no sir.

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A poll Monday showed that 78 percent of 800 likely GOP voters support earned legalization for undocumented immigrants over an enforcement only approach.

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One other thing.

Why is a poll conducted way back in March just being released and being promoted as though it's breaking news?

Just how desperate is the White House, anyway?

There is nothing from stopping George Walker Bush from putting 30 to 50,000 troops and or national guard reservists on that border. NOTHING!

We all know what the plan is going to be.....come on in Raul and Maria and pay a fine of $1,000 to $5,000 for entering illegally....please pay a ABA lawyer a few grand to fill out your INS paperwork...wait a few years...get residency and then go back to the same lawyer and pay him or her a few grand more to bring in mom and dad and wife and cousin and aunt and brother etc and in 5 years because we politicans will not really hire 30 to 50,000 border patrol agents we can repeat all this in 15 or 20 years.....every year the INS (ICE) will raise all the fees and the paper pushers will all be happy with $$$$ and the rotten politicans in Latin America will meet with Bush or Clinton or Guliani etc and they will wine and dine and nothing will be any different in 5 10 or 15 years excpet that the population will grow by 20 to 40 million......to be continued....

Yeah the Freepers (if you can believe it) did a very good job of ripping that poll's credibility apart.

10,000 new border patrol agents over 10 years?????????????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Gee, you think if the stupid politicans made the starting wage for the border patrol $50,000 with raises in 10 years to $100,000, that they could not hire 10,000 in 2 years? How about raising the maximum entry age from 37 to 45 or 50...I understand that most of the minutemen are retirees?

Half of Latin America is going to be here in 30 to 50 years but these idiots in Washington either don't understand this or just don't care.....

Looks like they got what they paid for.

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10,000 new border patrol agents over 10 years?????????????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

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Yeah, it's a bigger joke than when the intelligence overhaul bill passed in December of 2004 and promised 10,000 new border patrol agents over five years, which means president Bush funds 2,000 new border patrol agents per year for five years. But he only funded 210 for this year. It's a big scam to try and win republican votes.

If he keeps breaking his promise for the next four years, that means we will have only gotten 1,050 of the 10,000 promised.

This and the nomination of Ms. Souter, aka Harriet E. Miers, I'm really starting to dislike president Bush.

NO AMNESTY.

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Yeah the Freepers (if you can believe it) did a very good job of ripping that poll's credibility apart.

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Yes, they did.

Did you notice that open borders moron Dane immediately jumped in celebrating the poll results. Once everyone else pointed out that the poll was old and of suspect parentage, ol' Dane just slunk away without another word.

Priceless.

Forget Amnesty, Private Bush.

"And we plan to move forward on a temporary worker program," McClellan said.

There's "that attitude" again. :evil:

Americans, apparently, Private Bush STILL DOESN'T HEAR YOU. Actually, he DOES hear you and does not care one iota about what you want for your country. He thinks it's his country, not yours.

get this.....several years ago some Congressman actually wanted to reduce funding for the border patrol because they were not hiring enough agents.....i guess they could not find anyone willing to do the job and when the TSA was formed to check passengers at the airports...lots of Border Patrol agents left to take management jobs that paid better than the border patrol.....

I have yet to hear anybody not only talk of hiring more border patrol agents but their starting salaries and raises have to be increased....oh yea Congress could not even pass the spending bill for the 5,000 bed facility for OTM's.....the politicians suck!

I only wonder why we havent put the military on the border, oh wait mexico will take legal action to the World Court, LOL. Bush has an awaking tomarrow and they think that this wont hurt his numbers any more? I see them hitting another 10 points if anything, the American people see it has our president being a sellout and giving American jobs away. It will be interesting to see how all this will go down.

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New Poll Shows Common Ground for Common Sense Approach to Comprehensive Immigration Reform
April 7, 2005

Washington, DC – A new poll was released here today that indicates strong support for bipartisan comprehensive immigration reform legislation to fix our broken immigration system.

Â* The poll, of 800 American "likely voters," was conducted March 20-22 by Celinda Lake (of Democratic polling firm Lake Snell Perry Mermin & Associates) and Ed Goeas (of Republican polling firm The Tarrance Group).

It was commissioned by the American Immigration Lawyers Association and the National Immigration Forum.Â* The following is a statement by Frank Sharry, Executive Director of the National Immigration Forum.
The key components of comprehensive immigration reform are broadly supported by the American people.

Importantly, comprehensive immigration reform is a political winner for Democrats and Republicans alike. Our own polling shows that public support for political candidates who support a comprehensive reform package goes up, not down.

President Bush has an opportunity to seize an issue that unites, not divides, the nation. Under the bi-partisan legislative leadership of Senators McCain and Kennedy, and in concert with a broad alliance from across the political spectrum, immigration reform could be the surprising issue of the year that restores credibility to a Congress with sinking approval ratings generally.

Â* But it will only happen if the President works with us to do so.

There is chaos on our border and chaos in Washington when it comes to immigration.Â* We must regain control of our borders and regain control of the runaway hysteria in Washington.
The new spate of restrictionist laws currently under consideration in Congress are exactly the wrong direction to take the country.Â* Piecemeal approaches and punitive patches are the approaches of the past.

Â* With respect to our immigration control strategies, enforcement-only measures amount to more of the same.Â* It's time to move forward and address the problems plaguing our immigration system in a way that works, for American workers, for immigrants and families, and for a public hungry for pragmatic solutions.
For a summary of the poll,

CLICK HERE.

National Immigration Forum 50 F Street NW, Suite 300 Washington, DC 20001

(202) 347-0040 fax (202)347-0058 www.immigrationforum.org

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Celinda is one of the Democratic Party's leading political strategists, serving as tactician and senior advisor to the national party committees, dozens of Democratic incumbents and challengers at all levels of the electoral process.

Her work also took her to advise fledgling democratic parties in several post-war Eastern European countries, including Bosnia, and South Africa. Lake and her firm are known for cutting edge research on issues including the economy, health care, the environment and education, and have worked for a number of institutions including the Democratic National Committee (DNC), the Democratic Governor's Association (DGA), The White House Project, America Coming Together, AFL-CIO, SEIU, CWA, IAFF, Sierra Club, Planned Parenthood, Human Rights Campaign, Emily's List and the Kaiser Foundation.

Since its formation, LSPMA has become one of the most respected Democratic polling firms in the country, with its Battleground poll widely recognized as one of the leading national issue and election thermometers.

The firm's work has moved the progressive agenda forward on a variety of issues. Working against the conservatives, Lake's research showed not to call their side "religious right" but rather "religious political extremists".

In the healthcare arena, her research showed that it was key to include getting healthcare costs down, not just the uninsured, and positioning the uninsured as 8 in 10 of working families. Her interviews and statistics have been quoted in the Washington Post, New York Times, Wall Street Journal as well as a variety of magazines, including Newsweek, Glamour and Marie Claire, and Lake has appeared on numerous television and radio news programs, including CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, Fox News and NPR, discussing her work and providing expert commentary.

Lake is one of the nation's foremost experts on electing women candidates and on framing issues to women voters.

American Politics magazine calls Lake a "super-strategist or, better yet, the Godmother," and Working Woman says she is "arguably the most influential woman in her field." She is renowned for her groundbreaking research on single women voters in conjunction with Women's Voices Women Vote and has helped elect numerous female candidates, including Barbara Mikulski, the "Dean" of Women Senators, Arizona Governor Janet Napolitano, Blanche Lincoln, U.S. Senator from Arkansas, Mary Landrieu, the first woman Senator from the South elected in her own right, Patricia Madrid the first Hispanic woman Attorney General in New Mexico, and the historic victory of Carol Moseley-Braun, who was the first African-American woman to be elected to the United States Senate. She also works for Nancy Pelosi, the leader of the House minority.

In past election cycles, Lake served as pollster for many candidates at all levels of government, including Governor Gary Locke of Washington state, the first Asian-American Governor in the country, and Congressman Robert Menendez, the first Hispanic leader in the House Democratic Caucus.

In 2000 Lake and her firm were the only firm to beat 2 Republican incumbents to elect Debbie Stabenow to the U.S. Senate and Bob Wise as Governor of West Virginia, and in 1992 election cycle, Lake oversaw focus group research for the Clinton/Gore campaign and served as a general consultant throughout the campaign. An experienced moderator, Lake has conducted focus group research throughout the United States on a large variety of topics including union labor, environmental and immigration issues, and speaking to women on economy.

She is also credited with identifying key voter groups, including Reagan seniors, NASCAR dads, waitress moms, the marriage gap and generation D.
Prior to forming Lake Snell Perry and Associates, Lake was partner and vice president at Greenberg-Lake. Her earlier experience includes serving as political director of the Women's Campaign Fund, and as the Research Director at the Institute for Social Research in Ann Arbor, Michigan, and Policy Analyst for the Subcommittee on Select Education.

Lake, a native of Montana and one of the political world's most avid whitewater rafters, holds a Masters degree in Political Science and Survey Research from the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor, and a certificate in political science from the University of Geneva, in Geneva, Switzerland. Lake received her undergraduate degree from Smith College in Massachusetts, where she graduated Summa Cum Laude with honors and was recently awarded the Distinguished Alumna Medal by the College.

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I think part of the problem with the Border Patrol not being able to hire enough people is its considered a federal law enforcement position and anyone over 35 years old is automatically disqualified for those positions.

Assuming they went in the military right after high school, that disqualifies every Veteran that served 20 years and retired.

The numbers from the poll is so different from what I've been reading?
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.a ... E_ID=44154

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The numbers from the poll is so different from what I've been reading?

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That's because it's bogus. It was commissioned by the American Immigration Lawyers Association and the National Immigration Forum.

They got the results they paid for.

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The numbers from the poll is so different from what I've been reading?
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.a ... E_ID=44154

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It's because the Zogby poll used the term "illegal immigrant". The open borders poll calls them "undocumented workers". You know, people we need to "keep the economy from collapsing".

The open borders lobby is really piling on the mind control propoganda.

Bushs' plan should be called "Destroy America"

Each working illegal alien costs Americans $10,000 a year in reduced wages, and each one of their children costs Americans about $5000 a year. Since each illegal family averages 4 children, that is 2 children per illegal. So over 30 years each illegal and their 2 children will cost Americans $600,000. I am sure the "substantial" fine Bush proposes will not be $600,000. Thus his plan screws Americans in the amount of $5 to $10 trillion. That is enough money which could instead pay off the national debt and fully fund Social Security.

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The open borders lobby is really piling on the mind control propoganda.

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Well, they spent all summer coming up with this.

It's funny that they decided to use a seven month old poll to try to bolster their argument.

However, I'm sure that the media will report this as a legitimate story, showing that Republicans have had a change of heart over illegal, uh, undocumented immigration.

Another name for Bush's plan could be "Racist amnesty".

Even though they are only 2% of the worlds population, Mexicans are 20% of US legal immigrants. Bush's plan will raise this to over 40%. The non-racist thing would be to back JD Hayworth's plan, which would reduce Mexican immigration.

The racist part is the underlying assumption that Mexicans (and Central and South Americans) will happily settle for substandard wages and working conditions.

That's the driving force keeping the southern border wide open.

I don't believe this phony "poll" for a second. As if the 800 paltry people they (most likely selectively) polled speak on behalf of the 300 million Americans. Every poll I've seen shows that the overwhelming majority of Americans want these damn worthless illegal immigrants to GET OUT AND STAY OUT! And are vehemently opposed to any kind of amnesty plan. I look forward to this fool Bush trying to push his worthless amnesty plan on the American public, because we are going to push it right back in his fool face. We are going to make a statement loud and clear with this one that no phony "poll" can doll up otherwise.

Just like I said in another thread. The only thing Bush is serious about is giving illegals amnesty and letting his big business corporate cronies off the hook. Bush is a puppet for the NWO. He is a parrott for one world government. Nothing will ever get done about this situation and things will only get worse until this clown is removed from office. This fool needs immediate impeachment. Send a message to your reps and senators that they will understand loud and clear.

IMPEACH JORGE BUSH

Dman; Do you not tire of the fight?,.... just kidding, IMPEACH this idiot NOW, no one wants to DESTROY HIM. WHY? What are the democrats waiting for, what is anyone waiting for?

There has to be something in the water. As far as I can tell you and I are the only ones that actively support impeachment. This leads me to believe that many among us are republican'ts, that cannot see that this guy is not one of them. SAD!

I'll take the blow job scenario anyday. clinton was easy compared to this. C'mon everybody in the republican't party what in hell are you protecting? Those that would destroy you?

"you cannot defeat an enemy, until you can recognize who is the enemy" cheers glenn

Impeach and imprison him, in a Mexican prison.

It's like he wants to punish Americans for not doing the jobs Americans can no longer afford to do. That's what this is all about. They want us to find a way to survive in this high cost society of ours with minimum pay. In other words, live like a cock roach. Evil business wants cheap labor by exploiting those who are desparate. Are you desparate? Well, then, step right up..have we got a job for you....(sucker).

I wonder what goes through the mind of an illegal immigrant who has been here illegally for years when he finds out or sees how much the job he's doing is really suppose to pay, while seeing his own life improve only slightly.

If Congress or the people cannot muster up the support for impeachment, then we will all fail. As far as I am concerned, we have a criminal in the White House who, by far, has done a lot worse than Clinton or Nixon. Having said that, if impeachment cannot be supported to get this criminal out of office, then we almost deserve to lose our rights.

What BLOWHARDS! And, don't forget that Congress requested funds for 2000 more border patrol agents per YEAR for the next five years in their budget request. BUSH came back with TWO HUNDRED A YEAR. Now, why all of a sudden is he backtracking???? Anyone want to hazard a guess??? HE IS a SINKING SHIP.

AND, on the McCain/Kennedy proposal---they say that there is just NO WAY you could find all of those illegals to deport YET they seem to think they can find them all to fine them and then let them stay!!! ODD, isn't it???

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AND, on the McCain/Kennedy proposal---they say that there is just NO WAY you could find all of those illegals to deport YET they seem to think they can find them all to fine them and then let them stay!!! ODD, isn't it???

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They know their plan won't work. It's not supposed to. Illegals aren't going to line up to pay a fine.

Once they don't, the government will simply throw up its hands and say "hey, at least we tried". Then they'll let them stay, anyway.

It's a fulll amnesty, pure and simple.

Of course, it's AMNESTY. No doubt about it. But, it is so INSULTING that he actually thinks the American people are so STUPID that we would really BELIEVE ANYTHING HE SAYS. He has lost all credibility. I honestly wouldn't believe one word that came out of his mouth anymore. Or anyone else remotely related to his administration.

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Of course, it's AMNESTY. No doubt about it. But, it is so INSULTING that he actually thinks the American people are so STUPID that we would really BELIEVE ANYTHING HE SAYS.

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Sadly, about 40% of them still do.

Well, okay--39% but FALLING weekly! I think that SOME people would rather say they still believe him than admit that they had been so WRONG when they voted for him the second time. I know that I have a friend who is like that. I KNOW she doesn't like him anymore but she would CHOKE before she would admit it. So, hopefully, those polls don't really reflect how bad his ratings are.