Thread: The current wave

I read an article while searching for information that this was part of the strategy of the Mexican Government to use adverse possession laws to retake the soutwest territory. In order for adverse possesion laws to apply, the property has to be private and the taker, under the jurisdiction of the United States, which of course, illegal aliens ARE NOT. They are under the jurisdiction of a foreign government invading the United States through illegal immigration.

Enough is Enough.

Vicente Fox is a Monster to promote this; underwrite it; and receive financial benefits when the money comes rolling back into Mexico from drugs; from illegal traders; from workers.

The man is a Monster created by Harvard University.

Reason enough right there to NEVER let another alien into our Colleges and Universities.

Originally Posted by Tom2

If you're suggesting they should be granted national park land. Sorry. That's owned by legal citizens and taxpayers too. Perhaps they should consider PAYING owners for the land they live on. If they haven't the resources, it's time to go home. Forced to answer your original questions, the answer is yes and yes. They are illegal and there are too many of them. When the earliest poor, the tired, the huddled masses came, we had much land available at a bargain. They were willing to endure immigration procedures, humiliation and all, and to save their pennies to buy land, just to earn a piece of the American dream. Now the poor, the tired, the huddled masses want to sneak in from Mexico, commit a felony, pay for nothing, despoil the land and inhabited neighborhoods AND get a piece of the American dream. And then most want to send the illegal profits back to their homelands. Sorry it won't work. The American public is fed up and taking action. Time to go home.

what are you talking about?They are already living in our national parks and forests.There are spots all over that are booby trapped to keep people out of their weed growing areas.Yosemite is overran with them and their drug growing ops.

Originally Posted by Judy

Rick!! What is your question in this thread? Is there any time that these illegals will become American? Is that what you are asking?

In my opinion, NO.

There is a 15 year waiting list to enter the United States legally as an immigrant from Mexico.

There is no possibility that illegals will ever be able to enter the United States legally, because they cheated and tried to enter illegally.

That alone would keep them off the list as the waiting list is presently devised in accordance with legal entry into the United States.

I saw your comment that there are illegals already living in the National Parks?

What does this mean?

They are trying to "squat" on U S National Property?

That won't fly.

They'll be going home.

But it was a clever strategy on their part. Try to squat and take possession by adverse possession law. Doesn't apply to National Property, only private property.

Not will they become Americans but as time goes on and their kids grow up with American kids and especially with the amount of Latin Nannies will the current atmosphere still be prevalent in 10 yrs or so.It's just a simple question;nothing to try to read into it.

Originally Posted by rickesteves

No difference in settlers and immigrants except they had more room.

This chair is getting crowded the more I take up squatters rights in it .. refer to my post about being a squatter as I sit in this chair daily.

Squatters rights, more properly called "adverse possession" does not apply to Public lands. They may be there, but they can never take ownership over it.

Even applied to private property, adverse possession is very difficult to acquire. The legal requirements for adverse possession are that the settlement of that land must be Open, Notorious, Hostile, and Continuous... for 11 years. This means that your presence there must be continuous, and that the owner as well as general public must be aware of your occupation of that land, and it must be without the permission of the owner. Further, it must be demonstrated that you paid the taxes upon that land for the 11 year period. Any owner whose land is being taken in this manner can bring it to a halt simply by stating he gave them permission to be there.

Also, adverse possession in most states is 20 years. The term depends on the state. The important point concerning National Park Land is that it is federal National Property and is not under the jurisdiction of the laws of a state whereas all adverse possession claims are state issues.

This is however one of the strategies of Vicente Fox and Henry Cisneros from speeches they made at these La Raza conventions. I didn't post it because I didn't want to give anyone any ideas!

We've got a big enough job on our hands as it is.

In answer to the original questions and postulations. The settlers came here, into a land with vast wilderness and expanding boundaries. While this was occuring, we could tolerate much more immigration... now we are simply cutting the pie into smaller and smaller pieces for everyone.

Further, immigrants of the past came here and worked hard to assimilate, learning the language being one of their first goals. With few exceptions, they had no interest in preserving their cultural heritage beyond taking only those things which were good, and discarding that which was less useful. This was the principle of the melting pot. Todays illegal immigrants have no intention of assimilating. They immediately set out to change the areas they reside in into copies of their homeland, which is assinine, since if the culture they are trying to preserve was so great, they would have had no reason to leave it. Whether they be legal or illegal immigrants... so long as they maintain their seperate cultural identity, they will never be Americans.

Originally Posted by Judy

Also, adverse possession in most states is 20 years. The term depends on the state. The important point concerning National Park Land is that it is federal National Property and is not under the jurisdiction of the laws of a state whereas all adverse possession claims are state issues.

This is however one of the strategies of Vicente Fox and Henry Cisneros from speeches they made at these La Raza conventions. I didn't post it because I didn't want to give anyone any ideas!

We've got a big enough job on our hands as it is.

State property is not subject to advese possession either. All land title originates from Patents issued by these sovereign bodies. Adverse possession, which is defined by the sovereign, cannot be claimed against the sovereign.

What is happening is that our Parks are being destroyed by their lack of appreciation and respect of the land. They're making them resemble little Mexicos by throwing their garbage, no toilets guys, fires are easily started, threatening tourists and residents, etc.

That in itself should be stopped but it seems that the Parks commission is only interested in fining Americans.

Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis

What is happening is that our Parks are being destroyed by their lack of appreciation and respect of the land. They're making them resemble little Mexicos by throwing their garbage, no toilets guys, fires are easily started, threatening tourists and residents, etc.

That in itself should be stopped but it seems that the Parks commission is only interested in fining Americans.

I am in complete agreement