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    Many Illegal immigrants pay taxes they'll likely never see again

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    PASCO, Wash. -- While there is a misconception illegal immigrants don't pay taxes, new figures released from the social security administration show otherwise.


    Social Security officials keep a record of wages that do not match up with real names and numbers in their system. The record is called the earnings suspense file. Most of the taxes taken out, will likely never be returned to these workers in the future.


    In 2009, the last year for which figures are available, employers reported wages of $72.8 billion for 7.7 million workers who could not be matched to legal Social Security numbers.


    That total hit a record $90.4 billion, earned by 10.8 million workers, in 2007, just before the recession. Some of those were legal workers who simply made paperwork mistakes, but the majority are believed to be illegal immigrants.


    Because those wages were reported by employers and not paid under the table, Social Security and Medicare deductions had to be made. A total of 12.4 percent of those wages went into the SSA system - 6.2 percent paid each by the worker and the employer. An additional 2.9 percent was paid into Medicare, half by the worker and half by the employer.


    That means about $11.2 billion went into the Social Security Trust Fund in 2007, and $2.6 billion went into Medicare. While that money will be used to pay retirees and health-care beneficiaries, it most likely will never be claimed by the illegal immigrants who contributed it.


    Tom Roach, an immigration attorney from Pasco says, "Every time you hear someone say, these guys are just here on a free ride, they take, take take and don't give back, it's not true. 72% are paying all of the taxes, that any other US citizen would pay, but they don't get the benefit of getting any of it back."


    Roach says illegal immigrants contribute to our economy in many ways, paying sales taxes, the FICA tax, social security, medicare and property taxes.


    He tells me illegals are not eligible to receive benefits like medicare and food stamps because you need a valid social security number to apply. However, some argue it evens out when children of illegals attend schools and visit emergency rooms.


    ~ information taken from By John Lantigua, Cox Newspapers

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    So if it is a known fact that there are so many known contributors with SS#'s that do not match up with real names and numbers in their system why is it allowed to continue?
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    More "Cook Books" from the Obama's, sounds like the Social Security Administration should be in jail for receiving stolen property!
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    In 2009, the last year for which figures are available, employers reported wages of $72.8 billion for 7.7 million workers who could not be matched to legal Social Security numbers.
    That should be 7.7 million jobs for American workers and wagers of $72.8 billion for American workers. Now let's have a discussion about the over $100 billion it costs taxpayers in benefits to illegals.
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    Don't forget all of the illegals who claim the earned income tax deduction by using an Individual Taxpayer Identification number. That little loophole costs us billions of dollars!

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    The Earned Income Credit pamphet is available in both English and spanish. The amount this year is 5,236 dollars for 2 children. The amount for 3 or more children is 5,891 dollars. I am not even going to bother putting the amount for 1 child or no children because........ well, that would be just silly. There is so much fraud going on with the I.R.S. and illegals, yet they cant figure it out. Jerks. They have no problem harrassing American citizens tho.

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    All excellent posts! This is not the America I grew up in. We didn't pick and choose which laws to follow. If they see where someone has stolen someone's identification, they should call ICE ASAP! There should be no special numbers for illegals to use because they don't belong here and have no right taking a citizen's job. Period!

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    What's immigration all about? TO DO THE WORK

    Christopher Bear-Beam
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    December 31, 2011

    One of this writer's mentors is an African American dynamo named Cherry Steinwender; she is one of the Co-Executive Directors of a nonprofit in Houston called The Center for the Healing of Racism (www.centerhealingracism.org). When the writer first started to become of the racilized sleeping inside of him—Unaware Racism (this author is a European American male)--she was the guide that helped this writer to go through a transformation of change in thinking patterns, language, and behaviors. What became evident was the author's absorption of many socially conditioned customs and biases, and the need to replace these with accurate and factual information. What was clear was that if this writer had been conditioned to have biases, stereotypes, and Unaware Racism, there was also the hope that correct information could yield positive conditioning.

    This blogger went on to be trained by the CFHR in order to become a co-facilitator of dialogues around Racism and other cultural isms. In her own impacting way, Cherry repeated a point over and over and over again: the people allowed to cross our borders have always been largely set up. Why?—TO DO THE WORK!

    The reason for this is that their work and labor keeps the system of White Privilege and Institutional Racism in place and perpetuates European Americans' superior-power-balance. From the beginning of this nation, Racism's focal point for Americans with European descent, has always been about people who look like this writer being advantaged and enriched at the expense of those deemed inferior or having nothing to offer.

    An article in the Austin American Statesman by John Latigua (The Palm Beach Post) on December 30, 2011 (p. A6) makes this point very clear. The headline reads, Illegal immigrants pay in Social Security, won't benefit. Now, most clear-thinking people realize that people emigrating from their home countries don't cross borders, deserts, and ride on top of trains to come to the U.S. for a "Club Med vacation." They come because they can find no work in their home countries; they come to survive and work, and send money back to their families so they can live.

    The article cited above observes that many immigrants who have not been granted 'legal status' may give falsified Social Security numbers that don't match themselves ias ndividuals, and they pay into Social Security and Medicare; in other words, all of these deductions actually give them nada due to not being the person who actually may have that Social Security number, or a fake one. Furthermore, it's unlikely that they will ever receive any benefits themselves.

    Meanwhile, "In 2009, the last year for which figures are available, employers reported wages of $72 billion for 7.7 million workers who couldn't be matched to legal Social Security numbers."

    This anomoly becomes even stranger when one of the main statements used by anti-immigration folks and organizations is, 'they don't pay taxes and just drain the system of money.' Jennie Economos of the Farmworkers Association of Florida (http://www.floridafarmworkers.org) refutes this notion. She notes that many immigrants may get paid under the table (you mean to tell me that many European Americans don't do the same thing!?), but the majority are paid with checks, and they pay taxes from what they earn.

    What is very clear is this: European Americans saying there needs to be tougher anti-immigration laws and strong pressure put on countries such as Mexico, to assist the U.S. with immigration issues, when out of the other side of their mouths they know that the white-structural-power-system is benefitting from the work of both legal and non-legal immigrants. This two-faced way of dealing with immigration issues is conflicted by its wrong-headed disconnect between what we say and what we do. Certainly, a conflicted system of immigration will only yield more of the same problems for white citizens to complain about. Why don't we just speak congruently and say that it's not so bad having immigrants come through our check points, because, after all, someone has TO DO THE WORK.
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    Christopher Bear-Beam

    This writer has worked as a human services professional for thirty years. In the diverse settings in which this clinician has worked, understanding the sources of conflict, having a good sense of family dynamics, and past social conditioning as it impacts conflict resolution or problem solving are all important keys to resolution. This author's mission statement includes giving problem solving techniques as well as communicating acceptance, connection and allowing clients to find their own "TRUE NORTH" has helped them to see or enhance the amazing human potential that lies within each human being. Ab Secondly, writing about relationships between various ethnicities and culture groups excites me because I have been co-facilitating various community dialog groups or special topics for a given demographic, for the last sixteen years. I was trained by the Center for the Healing of Racism, Houston, TX.

    Continue reading on Examiner.com What's immigration all about? TO DO THE WORK - Austin Conflict Resolution | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/conflict-res...#ixzz1i9WfUuPf
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    What is very clear is this: European Americans saying there needs to be tougher anti-immigration laws and strong pressure put on countries such as Mexico, to assist the U.S. with immigration issues, when out of the other side of their mouths they know that the white-structural-power-system is benefitting from the work of both legal and non-legal immigrants. This two-faced way of dealing with immigration issues is conflicted by its wrong-headed disconnect between what we say and what we do. Certainly, a conflicted system of immigration will only yield more of the same problems for white citizens to complain about. Why don't we just speak congruently and say that it's not so bad having immigrants come through our check points, because, after all, someone has TO DO THE WORK.
    Talk about a convoluted train of thought! The European Americans saying there needs to be tougher anti-immigration laws and strong pressure put on countries such as Mexico, to assist the U.S. with immigration issues are not members of the white-structural-power-system .. benefiting from the work of both legal and non-legal immigrants. In fact that white-structural-power-system is benefiting from the wage depreciation of the American Working Class caused by the over supply of workers.

    One suggestion for the author would be to open his Econ 101 textbook. It's so very plain and simple.
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