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    A patriotic St. Pat's Day wish -- No more pandering to illegal Irish taking Americans

    A patriotic St. Pat's Day wish -- No more pandering to illegal Irish taking Americans' jobs

    By Roy Beck, Sunday, March 18, 2012, 2:47 PM EDT
    The arguments for special work visas for Irish workers that may come to a vote in the Senate any day are among the most offensive and baseless that I've ever seen. As engorged and harmful as is our current level of foreign workers, can you imagine what would happen if every nationality asked for the same favors that the Irish lobby is asking in this bill?
    Sen. Scott Brown (R-Mass.) -- in a tough re-election bid this year -- apparently thinks he must pander to American voters of Irish descent by promising to put more U.S. citizens out of work by giving 10,500 new work permits to Irish citizens.
    And within the Irish blogophere, it is pretty clear that a primary recipient for those new work permits are Irish citizens who managed to come to the U.S. legally at some point and have over-stayed their visas. Yes, illegal aliens just as surely as if they had walked across the U.S.-Mexico border.
    Sen. Brown's Democratic opponent, Elizabeth Warren, apparently has the same low regard for Irish Americans and is pushing the same idea that these Americans have more loyalty to citizens of Ireland than to unemployed citizens of the United States. Did anybody notice that this isn't the 1860s? What next, New York City draft riots?
    There had been a powerful push to pass this form of ethnic pork-barreling before St. Patrick's Day. Thankfully, enough thoughtul Senate heads prevailed to prevent that kind of embarrassing exclusionary ethno-centric spectacle.
    Neither Brown nor Warren seems to be aware that 20 million Americans of all nationality backgrounds either can't find a job or are forced to work part-time.
    But they don't hear the suffering of Americans over the sound of the Irish lobby pipers. They only hear the voices again demanding special favors for the Irish because they are . . . ? I can't think of a logical or non-offensive explanation.
    While a Massachusetts Senator, John F. Kennedy led the way to the 1965 immigration act that ended nationality-based preferences that had the effect of racial and ethnic discrimination in our immigration system.
    But the Irish lobby has spent more than two decades arguing that the white Irish ought to have special privileges. The worst example of this was in 1990 when JFK's brother Sen. Teddy Kennedy (D-Mass.) created the Visa Lottery that raffles off permanent work permits and paths to U.S. citizenship every year. The reason we are stuck at present with this insanity is that it was a package that Teddy used to help illegal alien Irish already in this country to legalize their status. For the first three years, 40 percent of the lottery slots were reserved for the Irish.
    So, the two people competing for Teddy's old Senate seat, are now falling all over themselves to walk in Teddy's footsteps and dishonor the honorable principles of Sen. JOHN Kennedy.
    Antoinette Kelly, a staff writer for IrishCentral.com, reports today that Republican incumbent Sen. Scott Brown's office claims his proposal is vital to the Irish community because "for decades, the Irish have been unfairly shut out by our immigration laws."
    Kelly reports that Democrat Elizabeth Warren "agrees" and that many skilled Irish cannot access the U.S. because of the current system.
    Again, I ask, do these candidates think it is the 1860s?
    "Unfairly shut out?" What are they talking about? There are no rules that pick on the Irish or that put Irish applicants in an inferior position compared to applicants from other parts of the world.
    All I can see is that Brown and Warren and the Irish lobby are mad because the Irish don't get SPECIAL treatment that discriminates against everybody else in the world. I can't imagine that most Americans of Irish descent think like this.
    Democratic Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York says he has lined up 53 Democratic Senators to support this ethno-centric special favor, even though his own bill to give preferential treatment to the Irish only has four cosponsors. He has been battling for amnesties and increased foreign workers his whole career. You know that he has no desire to stop with the irish. I have no doubt that he wants this Irish bill to pass so he can come back and claim the discrimination that it truly represents as a reason to then push through one bill after another favoring first this ethnic group and then that one. Just like all pork barrel activity, passage of the Brown bill will set up a never-ending string of opportunities for special interests at the detriment of the American public.
    What makes any of these ethno-nationalist lobbies think that the government of the American people owes jobs to them instead of to Americans of all ethnicities who are already standing in line? Well, what makes any special interest seek selfish gain over the public interest? Only when the public demands a higher standard will these shameful legislative efforts cease.
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    From MD2510 of MA : Here in MA, there is shameless pandering to the Irish lobby among both D and R politicians. Not unlike other ethnic groups demanding special privileges. It is fine to celebrate your heritage but quite another to demand special visas for people from your (or your consituent's) ancestral country. The latter is UnAmerican no matter who does it.

    From John4110 of MI : It seems that the special provisions for the Irish will give support for those that assert that our national immigration policy is racist.

    Please stand up for the public interest today and send those faxes.


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    More Irish!

    Hold one one damn minute! What is this nonsense about not helping the Irish. I love the Irish so I say bring them on! And I say that even though I have not a drop of Irish blood in my veins (and I never had an Irish girl friend either). The only thing that needs to be done is to make sure that whatever number of visas we give especially to the Irish is subtracted from the visas given to some other nation. Thus the total number coming in would be constant or go down and the matter is neutral from a total immigration perspective. For example I would gladly trade some Pakistanis or Arabs if we could get us some Irish immigrants instead. There are a lot of countries in the category where the people have strange religions and customs and they just don't belong here. Some of them are not even Christians. Some are from places where they just plane hate us and where the people can't be trusted. Somalia and Saudi Arabia are in that group. I think they have too many Al Qaeda sympathizers and it is just crazy for us to be letting then into our heartland. No one would be able to sleep at night if we had many of those idiots running around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hacimo View Post
    Hold one one damn minute! What is this nonsense about not helping the Irish. I love the Irish so I say bring them on! And I say that even though I have not a drop of Irish blood in my veins (and I never had an Irish girl friend either). The only thing that needs to be done is to make sure that whatever number of visas we give especially to the Irish is subtracted from the visas given to some other nation. Thus the total number coming in would be constant or go down and the matter is neutral from a total immigration perspective. For example I would gladly trade some Pakistanis or Arabs if we could get us some Irish immigrants instead. There are a lot of countries in the category where the people have strange religions and customs and they just don't belong here. Some of them are not even Christians. Some are from places where they just plane hate us and where the people can't be trusted. Somalia and Saudi Arabia are in that group. I think they have too many Al Qaeda sympathizers and it is just crazy for us to be letting then into our heartland. No one would be able to sleep at night if we had many of those idiots running around.


    I don't want to see any one come in on Visa's from any where. We have enough of our own out of work in this Country. Why should these companies give work to any one from some where else? These companies only want cheaper labor at our expense, haven't we learned anything yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hacimo View Post
    Hold one one damn minute! What is this nonsense about not helping the Irish. I love the Irish so I say bring them on! And I say that even though I have not a drop of Irish blood in my veins (and I never had an Irish girl friend either). The only thing that needs to be done is to make sure that whatever number of visas we give especially to the Irish is subtracted from the visas given to some other nation. Thus the total number coming in would be constant or go down and the matter is neutral from a total immigration perspective. For example I would gladly trade some Pakistanis or Arabs if we could get us some Irish immigrants instead. There are a lot of countries in the category where the people have strange religions and customs and they just don't belong here. Some of them are not even Christians. Some are from places where they just plane hate us and where the people can't be trusted. Somalia and Saudi Arabia are in that group. I think they have too many Al Qaeda sympathizers and it is just crazy for us to be letting then into our heartland. No one would be able to sleep at night if we had many of those idiots running around.
    Then what are you still doing here? Not only is this place about halting illegal immigration, but HALTING LEGAL immigration until every single one of our OWN has found a job. THEN AND ONLY THEN should we consider opening back up the flood gate. You talk about helping? What about helping AMERICANS? I've seen many people from Europe coming over on visas and filling in jobs in my industry, the web industry, while I have friends from college who cannot yet get a job. You really need to rethink what you are suggesting.

    Illegal immigration hurts those at the bottom in our society. But LEGAL immigration is screwing us in the middle class as well.

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    If these proposed Irish immigrants get visas then they won't be illegal. These Irish are politely asking for permission to come into our country and I think that its fine with me as long as there is a compensating decrease in other sorts of immigrants so that the total approved number is constant. As far as I know ALPAC is only opposed to ILLEGAL immigration. Anyone opposed to immigration of all kinds had best go over to the FAIR web site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hacimo View Post
    If these proposed Irish immigrants get visas then they won't be illegal. These Irish are politely asking for permission to come into our country and I think that its fine with me as long as there is a compensating decrease in other sorts of immigrants so that the total approved number is constant. As far as I know ALPAC is only opposed to ILLEGAL immigration. Anyone opposed to immigration of all kinds had best go over to the FAIR web site.
    You do have some valid but some pretty unrealistic points hacimo....Thanks for posting them.
    If I was to choose a point of FOCUS (which I do) Illegal immigration is priority!
    And yes everyone has an opine but we are here at
    AMERICANS FOR LEGAL IMMIGRATION.....
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    Airdale, you are sooooo right.
    Proud American and wife of a wonderful LEGAL immigrant from Ireland.
    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing." -Edmund Burke (1729-1797)

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