Thread: Jews Split In The Ranks On Immigration

Split In The Ranks On Immigration

New Zogby poll conducted through online panels found that 60 percent of the Jews favored a legal path to citizenship for illegal immigrants.

by Ron Kampeas
JTA

Washington — A new poll suggests that American Jews are more conflicted about the challenges of immigration than their communal leaders — but that’s to be expected, the Jewish leaders say.

The poll, commissioned by the pro-enforcement Center for Immigration Studies, shows that Jews who support “enforcing the law and causing [illegal immigrants] to return home over timeâ€

Many Jewish people had illegals as maids, nannies and/or landscapers. It was even written in a Jewish spirituality website. One woman wrote that unlike her neighbors and friends she got rid of the illegal maid and started doing the cleaning herself with help from her kids.

Originally Posted by swatchick

Many Jewish people had illegals as maids, nannies and/or landscapers. It was even written in a Jewish spirituality website. One woman wrote that unlike her neighbors and friends she got rid of the illegal maid and started doing the cleaning herself with help from her kids.

Jews need to worry about the split in their own members!
How can they stand behind the likes of Obama and see what he is doing to Israel?
My Jewish friend in NY, THAT READS THE NYT! ( LOL) is all for Osama Obama?????

If there are any Jewish people out there can you PLEASE explain to me how they can side with Obama especially when I think he doesn't like Jews or white people..... I said it before Glenn Beck publicly did. I could see his disdain for them with his policies and his "friends" like Jerimiah Wright who is on record for his jew hating sermons.
Hey, I wonder if Obama covered his ears for 20 years so as not to hear the racism from that POS.

Many native South Florida jews are republicans. Most of the transplants from New York are the democrats.

It does not matter what race, ethnic or religious groups get surveys on their opinions, there will always be some in support and others against whatever issue.
Perhaps, since we are supposed to be the big melting pot of the world, it is politically correct to divide us into small groups for studies and attention, while at the same time denying any sort of profiling. I find that quite odd, to put it mildly.

Related: http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-183511.html

Originally Posted by vortex

It does not matter what race, ethnic or religious groups get surveys on their opinions, there will always be some in support and others against whatever issue.
Perhaps, since we are supposed to be the big melting pot of the world, it is politically correct to divide us into small groups for studies and attention, while at the same time denying any sort of profiling. I find that quite odd, to put it mildly.

I don't agree. Jews and Israel is not a melting pot issue. I find it weird to be Irish and fight for Jews in Israel and the Jews here are up Obama skirt!!!

If you can't see the difference in asking what a Jew thinks of Obama sticking his nose in Israel's business and what the rest of the country thinks of Obama sticking his nose in their business, then you are hopeless and flunked the reading Comprehension part on the IQ test!

If you don't know the answer keep you ignorance of my question to yourself please.....

The Jewish left and Socialism, Communism....from Wikipedia....

The emergence of a Jewish working class
In the age of industrialisation in the late nineteenth century, a Jewish working class emerged in the cities of Eastern and Central Europe. Before long, a Jewish labour movement emerged too. The Jewish Labour Bund – General Jewish Labor Union – was formed in Vilna in Lithuania in 1897. Distinctive Jewish Anarchist and socialist organisations formed and spread across the Jewish Pale of Settlement in the Russian Empire. There were also a significant number of people of Jewish origin who did not explicitly identify as Jews per se but were active in anarchist, socialist and social democratic as well as communist organizations, movements and parties.

As Zionism grew in strength as a political movement, socialist Zionist parties were formed, such as Ber Borochov’s Poale Zion.

There were non-Zionist left-wing forms of Jewish nationalism, such as territorialism (which called for a Jewish national homeland, but not necessarily in Palestine), autonomism (which called for non-territorial national rights for Jews in multinational empires) and the folkism, advocated by Simon Dubnow, (which celebrated the Jewish culture of the Yiddish-speaking masses).

As Eastern European Jews migrated West from the 1880s, these ideologies took root in growing Jewish communities, such as London’s East End, Paris's Pletzl, New York’s Lower East Side and Buenos Aires. There was a lively Jewish anarchist scene in London, a central figure of which was, perhaps ironically, the non-Jewish German thinker and writer Rudolf Rocker. The important Jewish socialist movement in the United States, with its Yiddish-language daily, The Forward, and trade unions such as the International Ladies' Garment Workers' Union and the Amalgamated Clothing Workers. Important figures in these milieux included Rose Schneiderman, Abraham Cahan, Morris Winchevsky and David Dubinsky.

In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, Jews played a major role in the Social Democratic parties of Germany, Russia, Austria-Hungary and Poland. Historian Enzo Traverso has used the term "Judeo-Marxism" to describe the innovative forms of Marxism associated with these Jewish socialists. These ranged from strongly cosmopolitan positions hostile to all forms of nationalism (as with Rosa Luxemburg and, to a lesser extent, Leon Trotsky) to positions more sympathetic to cultural nationalism (as with the Austromarxists or Vladimir Medem). Again, it is probable that most of these figures would not have considered themselves to be part of an explicitly "Jewish" left, but the significant number of Jews active in diverse movements and parties "on the left" is relevant.

In Soviets and against fascism
See also: Jewish Bolshevism
As with the American revolution of 1776, the French revolution of 1789 and the German revolution of 1848, many Jews worldwide welcomed the Russian revolution of 1917, celebrating the fall of a regime that had presided over antisemitic pogroms, and believing that the new order in what was to become the Soviet Union would bring improvements in the situation of Jews in those lands. Many Jews became involved in Communist parties, constituting large proportions of their membership in many countries, including Great Britain and the U.S. There were specifically Jewish sections of many Communist parties, such as the Yevsektsiya in the Soviet Union. The Communist regime in the USSR pursued what could be characterised as ambivalent policies towards Jews and Jewish culture, at times supporting their development as a national culture (e.g., sponsoring significant Yiddish language scholarship and creating an autonomous Jewish territory in Birobidzhan), at times pursuing antisemitic purges, such as that in the wake of the so-called Doctors' plot. (See also Komzet.)

With the advent of fascism in parts of Europe in the 1920s and 1930s, many Jews responded by becoming actively involved in the left, and particularly the Communist parties, which were at the forefront of the anti-fascist movement. For example, many Jewish volunteers fought in the International Brigades in the Spanish Civil War (for instance in the American Abraham Lincoln Brigade and in the Polish-Jewish Naftali Botwin Company). Jews and leftists fought Oswald Mosely's British fascists at the Battle of Cable Street. This mass movement was influenced by the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee in the Soviet Union.

In World War II, the Jewish left played a major part in resistance to Nazism. For example, Bundists and left Zionists were key in Żydowska Organizacja Bojowa and the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising.[citation needed]

Radical Jews in Central and Western Europe
As well as the movements rooted in the Jewish working class, relatively assimilated middle class Jews in Central and Western Europe began to search for sources of radicalism in Jewish tradition. For example, Martin Buber drew on Hassidism in articulating his anarchist philosophy, Gershom Scholem was an anarchist and a kabbalah scholar, Walter Benjamin was equally influenced by Marxism and Jewish messianism, Gustav Landauer was a religious Jew and a libertarian communist, Jacob Israël de Haan combined socialism with Haredi Judaism, while left-libertarian Bernard Lazare became a passionately Jewish Zionist in 1897 but wrote 2 years later to Herzl – and by extension to the Zionist Action Committee, "You are bourgeois in thoughts, bourgeois in your feelings, bourgeois in your ideas, bourgeois in your conception of society."[1]. In Weimar Germany, Walther Rathenau was a leading figure of the Jewish left.

Socialist Zionism and the Israeli left
Main article: Labor Zionism
In the twentieth century, especially after the Second Aliyah, socialist Zionism - first developed in Russia by the Marxist Ber Borochov and the non-Marxists Nachman Syrkin and A. D. Gordon - became a powerful force in the Yishuv, the Jewish settlement in Palestine. Poale Zion, the Histadrut labour union and the Mapai party played a major part in the campaign for an Israeli state, with socialist politicians like David Ben-Gurion and Golda Meir amongst the founders of the nation. At the same time, the kibbutz movement was an experiment in practical socialism.

In the 1940s, many on the left advocated a binational state in Israel/Palestine, rather than an exclusively Jewish state. (This position was taken by Hannah Arendt and Martin Buber, for example). Since independence in 1948, there has been a lively Israeli left, both Zionist (the Labour Party, Meretz) and anti-Zionist (Palestine Communist Party, Maki). The Labour Party and its predecessors have been in power in Israel for significant periods since 1948.

There are two worldwide groupings of left-wing Zionist organizations. The World Labour Zionist Movement, associated with the Labor Zionist tendency, is a loose association of the Israeli Labour Party (Avoda), the Habonim Dror Labor Zionist youth movement, the TAKAM kibbutz federation, the Histadrut and the Na'amat. The World Union of Meretz, associated with what was historically known as the Socialist Zionist tendency, is a loose association of the Israeli Meretz party, the Hashomer Hatzair Socialist Zionist youth movement, the Kibbutz Artzi Federation and the Givat Haviva research and study center. Both movements exist as factions within the World Zionist Organization, as well as regional or country-specific Zionist movements; the two roughly correspond to the interwar split between the Poale Zion Right (the tradition that led to Avoda) and the Poale Zion Left (Hashomer Hatzair, Mapam, Meretz).

Contemporary Jewish left
As the Jewish working class died out in the years after the Second World War, its institutions and political movements did too. The Arbeter Ring in England, for example, came to an end in the 1950s and Jewish trade unionism in the US ceased to be a major force at that time. There are, however, still some survivals of the Jewish working class left today, including the Jewish Labor Committee and Forward newspaper in New York, the Bund in Melbourne, Australia, or Labour Friends of Israel in the UK.

Meanwhile, the 1960s-1980s saw a resurgence in interest in cultural heritage and ethnic identity, prompting a renewal of interest among assimilated Jews in the West in Jewish working class culture and the various radical traditions of the Jewish past. This led to a growth in a new sort of radical Jewish organisations, interested in Yiddish culture, Jewish spirituality and social justice. For example, in the decade of 1980–1992 one organization, New Jewish Agenda, functioned as a national, multi-issue progressive membership organization with the mission of acting as a "Jewish voice on the Left and a Left voice in the Jewish Community." The Jewish Socialists' Group in Britain and Rabbi Michael Lerner's Tikkun have continued this tradition, while more recently groups like Jewdas and Heeb Magazine have taken an even more eclectic and radical approach to Jewishness. In Belgium, the Union des progressistes juifs de Belgique is, since 1969, the heir of the Jewish Communist and Bundist Solidarité movment in the Belgian Resistance, embracing the Israeli refuseniks cause as well as of the undocumented immigrants in Belgium.

In the U.S. in the last decade, the Jewish vote has gone to Democrats by 76-80%[1] in each election, leading to the reasonable conclusion that the majority of American Jews remain in at least some way more supportive of the liberal to left side of the political spectrum vs. the conservative to right side of the spectrum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_left

Originally Posted by swatchick

Many native South Florida jews are republicans. Most of the transplants from New York are the democrats.

Thank you for some information and not dribble and drool like Vortex gave me.
I think by the end of Obama reign of fury, many people will go for the opposite party. It used to be the Liberals were for the people and the Conservatives were for big business. Now the Liberals are for big business and the Conservatives are trying to save the people and country.

At least it feels like that to me.......

Originally Posted by ShockedinCalifornia

The Jewish left and Socialism, Communism....from Wikipedia....

That's quite a history! thanks.

I was more left myself until Obama started trying to ruin our country and culture. Then when he and his Comrades started erasing our history through the manipulation of textbooks, I had had enough and he PUSHED me way over to the Right.

I was a Dem and then changed to Independent and I'm seriously thinking of registering Rebublican. But not yet, I'm waiting to see the next bunch of fools we have to pick from. I wish they let the RINO's go extinct!