Results 1 to 7 of 7

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

  1. #1
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Santa Clarita Ca
    Posts
    9,714

    {Sob} Kids pay for 'debt' immigrant dad already paid

    Kids pay for 'debt' immigrant dad already paid
    By RICK CASEY
    Copyright 2008 Houston Chronicle
    Oct. 8, 2008, 12:01AM

    LYDIA'S husband, the father of her three small children, went off one day to apply for U.S. citizenship.

    He never came home.

    Instead, the U.S. government detained him, quickly shipped him to a prison in Georgia for a few months and then, after a hearing before a judge, flew him to the border and marched him across the bridge to Reynosa, Mexico, near McAllen.

    Then it got worse. Lydia says she received a call from a man identifying himself as a member of the notorious Zeta drug gang. He said either she would send $5,000 or her husband's body would be found in a river.

    I was unable to confirm the kidnapping. Lydia and her husband's brother said the contacts were by phone, and the calls weren't recorded.


    He should have waited
    But because they said the kidnappers told them not to talk to anyone about the matter, the names I'm using here are not real ones.

    Even without the kidnapping, the story of the man I will call Hugo is disturbing.

    Hugo, 39, wasn't deported because he was illegal. His parents brought him to the United States when he was 3, and he got his green card about 20 years ago. He had never been to Mexico.

    He was deported because he applied for citizenship without checking with a qualified immigration lawyer, who would have told him to wait a decade or two until the pendulum of U.S. immigration policy swings back to a more welcoming position.


    A crime of violence?
    Hugo was deported because a check of his criminal record turned up two crimes for which he thought he had paid society back — one with about six months in the Harris County Jail, the other with 30 days.

    In 1990, Hugo pleaded guilty to a Class A misdemeanor for unauthorized use of a vehicle. According to his brother, he and three friends were caught riding in a car belonging to the father of one of the friends.

    The father reported the car as stolen. The court file gives no details of the allegations, but shows that Hugo was sentenced to 30 days, and was allowed to serve the sentence on weekends.

    The details, however, don't matter. For purposes of deportation, the Texas joyriding law is classified as a "crime of violence." The judge considering the case is not allowed to "go behind the law" to consider whether the allegation included any hints of violence.

    Why the Board of Immigration Appeals considers the unauthorized use of a vehicle a crime of violence isn't clear. But Hugo's lawyer, Georgia attorney Bobby Olds, believes the Board gets some support from a 1999 ruling by a three-judge panel of the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in United States v. Galvan-Rodriguez.

    The court, which is based in New Orleans and covers Texas, ruled that, for sentencing guidelines purposes, a previous conviction of unauthorized use is a "crime of violence."

    The reasoning:

    While joyriding doesn't always lead to violence, "there is a strong probability that the inexperienced or untrustworthy driver who has no pride of ownership in the vehicle will be involved in or will cause a traffic accident or expose the car to stripping or vandalism," wrote the court.

    The court cited no studies justifying the statement, and its ruling has been criticized not only by other courts around the country, but also by another panel here in the 5th Circuit.

    Writing in a 2001 case (U.S. v. Joseph Clifton Charles), Judge E. Grady Jolly said, "At the outset, we must say that we have some difficulty visualizing simple car theft — short of carjacking — as a crime of violence. Nevertheless, a panel recently held that the unauthorized use of an automobile was a crime of violence because 'there is a substantial risk that the vehicle ... might become involved in an accident."

    Jolly continued with some sarcasm: "Consequently, it does appear, by this reasoning, that in this circuit, most traffic violations have been elevated to crimes of violence."

    The panel ruled "with some chagrin" that it was bound by the previous ruling.

    Hugo's other crime involves a domestic dispute in 1997 that led his live-in girlfriend to charge him with kidnapping and with rape and other violence against her. Hugo's brother said, after an argument, Hugo just took her to her mother's house, then changed the locks on his house.

    After about six months in jail, Hugo pleaded guilty to "attempted kidnapping with intent to release in a safe place," a state jail felony.

    He was sentenced to a year in jail, but was given double credit for the time he had already served and released.

    Again, the details of what really happened don't matter under immigration law.

    For the past five years, Hugo has worked in sales at Houston company that makes gaskets and seals. The owner of the company, which has about 30 employees, calls him a "very, very good person" and "a great employee, very reliable, honest and hard-working."

    His wife, a U.S. citizen, doesn't know how she will support her three children — the youngest is 1 — on her secretarial salary.

    The law punishes not only her husband for offenses that are, as a matter of record, relatively minor. They make her, perhaps literally, a widow and her children fatherless.

    You can write to Rick Casey at P.O. Box 4260, Houston, TX 77210, or e-mail him at rick.casey@chron.com

    Get Houston Chronicle

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/met ... 45790.html
    Join our efforts to Secure America's Borders and End Illegal Immigration by Joining ALIPAC's E-Mail Alerts network (CLICK HERE)

  2. #2
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Nebraska
    Posts
    2,892
    They never tell us about the crimes that Hugo never got caught at.
    I'm sure they were just as minor as the ones they told us about here(heavy sarcasm). Here's a crying icon for Hugo as that's the most I can muster for this crock of crap story.

  3. #3
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Mexifornia
    Posts
    9,455
    His wife, a U.S. citizen, doesn't know how she will support her three children — the youngest is 1 — on her secretarial salary.
    Should have thought about that before you decided to have three children with an illegal invader. Generally, it's a good idea to get the citizenship before you start pumping out anchor babies, in an effort to make your husbands case look more appealing to immigration officials.

    No sympathy here....
    Join our efforts to Secure America's Borders and End Illegal Immigration by Joining ALIPAC's E-Mail Alerts network (CLICK HERE)

  4. #4
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Nebraska
    Posts
    2,892
    Quote Originally Posted by NoBueno
    His wife, a U.S. citizen, doesn't know how she will support her three children — the youngest is 1 — on her secretarial salary.
    Should have thought about that before you decided to have three children with an illegal invader. Generally, it's a good idea to get the citizenship before you start pumping out anchor babies, in an effort to make your husbands case look more appealing to immigration officials.

    No sympathy here....
    She'll do just fine by getting on every program there is. She will most likely get free child care, food stamps, free lunch, WIC etc. Heck she's probably on these programs already.

    No sympathy here either.

  5. #5
    dep0rt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 1970
    Posts
    176
    Aren't all of us real U.S. Citizens paying for their debts as well with this bailout? Where is that SOB story?

  6. #6
    Senior Member Rockfish's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    From FLA to GA as of 04/01/07
    Posts
    6,640
    Then it got worse. Lydia says she received a call from a man identifying himself as a member of the notorious Zeta drug gang. He said either she would send $5,000 or her husband's body would be found in a river.
    Not our problem. Our fairness and hospitality have been taken advantage of for far too long. NO MORE.
    Join our efforts to Secure America's Borders and End Illegal Immigration by Joining ALIPAC's E-Mail Alerts network (CLICK HERE)

  7. #7
    Steph's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 1970
    Location
    Tucson, AZ
    Posts
    461

    Re: {Sob} Kids pay for 'debt' immigrant dad already paid

    "Hugo's other crime involves a domestic dispute in 1997 that led his live-in girlfriend to charge him with kidnapping and with rape and other violence against her. Hugo's brother said, after an argument, Hugo just took her to her mother's house, then changed the locks on his house.

    After about six months in jail, Hugo pleaded guilty to "attempted kidnapping with intent to release in a safe place," a state jail felony."

    Again, the details of what really happened don't matter under immigration law.

    The law punishes not only her husband for offenses that are, as a matter of record, relatively minor.
    [/quote]

    He pleaded GUILTY to attempted kidnapping, not "innocent" or even "no contest". Since when is kidnapping "relatively minor"? This was probably part of a plea bargain, but he was originally charged with rape and other violence, in addition to actual kidnapping, not attempted kidnapping. Those don't sound like minor crimes to me. If I got in an argument with someone and simply drove them to their mother's house and changed the locks, I would have gone to trial. I wouldn't admit to kidnapping. His brother wasn't there for the rape he was accused of, so how does he know what happened anyways? Of course he appeared to be a good guy at work. Most perpetrators of domestic violence prefer to keep this in the home, and a man who rapes his girlfriend isn't usually going to also rape female coworkers, customers, his male boss, etc. It's a power/control issue. That doesn't make him a good guy. It makes him sneaky, so good riddance. Also, if a gang was making threats on his life, his wife should blame the gang, or her husband for getting involved with them. It sounds like he may have been kidnapped, or possibly had "other violence" perpetrated against him. I wonder how he liked it?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •