Thread: AZ: Birthright Citizenship Bills Pulled

AZ measures intended to block legal status for immigrants' kids
Birthright-citizenship bills pulled
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Howard Fischer Capitol Media Services Arizona Daily Star
Posted: Tuesday, February 8, 2011 12:00 am


PHOENIX - A bid to deny citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants faltered Monday when proponents could not get the votes of a Senate panel.

After more than three hours of testimony at the Senate Judiciary Committee, Sen. Ron Gould, R-Lake Havasu City, yanked the two measures. Gould said he lacked the backing of four other members of the Republican-controlled panel, which he chairs.

Gould said he will keep trying to secure votes. And Senate President Russell Pearce, R-Mesa, said, if necessary, he will reassign the proposal to a more friendly committee.

The failure came despite Gould's allowing John Eastman, a Chapman University law professor, to argue for more than an hour that there is no legal basis for the current practice of giving citizenship to all children based on the location of their birth. Eastman said passing the two measures proposed by Gould would finally give the nation's high court a chance to squarely address the scope of the 14th Amendment.

The amendment says that persons born in this country and "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" are considered U.S. citizens.

Gould and Pearce contend that was never the intent of those who wrote the measure approved after the Civil War. The intent was solely to clarify that former slaves and their children were entitled to citizenship despite a pre-war court decision declaring the contrary, they argue.

One proposal would define Arizona citizenship - and, by extension, U.S. citizenship - as requiring that at least one parent prove U.S. citizenship or permanent legal residency. The other would set up a system under which birth certificates would be marked as to whether they prove citizenship, with states agreeing to honor each other's notations.

Even before any testimony, Sen. Adam Driggs, R-Phoenix, said the proposal, based on that idea of Arizona citizenship, raises a host of unanswered questions.

"I don't understand how you become an Arizona citizen if you move to Arizona, what the bureaucratic model would be," he said. "Do you then need to bring your own birth certificate and both of your parents' birth certificates?"

There were also several children who spoke against the bill, including 12-year-old Heide Portugal who said she was born in this country but her parents were not and that a measure like this, had it been in effect, would have denied her citizenship.

The proposals also drew opposition from the business community.

Kevin Sandler, president of Exhibit One, said he worried about the message adopting such a law would send.

Sandler said his firm, which provides audiovisual equipment to courts across the nation, had to lay off six employees after some out-of-state firms boycotted Arizona businesses after lawmakers adopted SB 1070 last year. That measure gives police more power to detain illegal immigrants.

"We've created a toxic environment," he told lawmakers. "Businesses don't want to move here."

He said companies looking to relocate pay attention to the political climate in a state.

"What we've really done is create a not-open-for-business environment here."

And Glenn Hamer, president of the Arizona Chamber of Commerce and Industry, told legislators they should leave the question of citizenship where it belongs: in Congress.

Aside from Eastman, all of the testimony was in opposition. Activist Salvador Reza said the debate over which children get legal recognition is "not very dissimilar to the debate that happened in South Africa not too long ago."

"Young kids like this were denied citizenship for whatever reasons," Reza said.

Jennifer Allen, executive director of the Border Action Network, said denying citizenship to children born in this country based on a parent's citizenship would create "a permanent underclass" of people in the state.

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/border/ ... 9dfd0.html

And the sob stories continue for illegal alien, "ILLEGAL ALIEN" Jack
Pot brats.
What about the brats of those who followed the rules?
What about the respect and responsibility of citizenship!
Those opposed are not fit to make responsible decisions!
They only encourage lawlessness with benefits!

We keep up the pressure with Senate President Russell Pearce, and
Sen. Ron Gould.
Sen. Adam Driggs, R-Phoenix gets an ear full!
Sen. Adam Driggs R-Phoenix Phone: 602-926-3016 Email: adriggs@azleg.gov; Rep. Eric Meyer D-Paradise Valley Phone: 602-926-3037 Email: emeyer@azleg.gov

12-year-old Heide Portugal, Your parents are criminals. Fact. Arrest, deport!


Kevin Sandler, president of Exhibit One. You exploit and aid abed illegal
alien labor. Only to benefit your bottom line. No one else's. You too are a criminal.


Glenn Hamer, president of the Arizona Chamber of Commerce and Industry is another OBL that only cares of illegal aliens.

They abandon American worker because lawlessness and profit are
the only way they know. CRIMINALS!

Jennifer Allen "would create "a permanent underclass" of people in the state."
Just where the heck she lives. Just an ignorant, arrogant bitch that profits
defending criminals and their US tax payer funded brats!

The amendment says that persons born in this country and "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" are considered U.S. citizens.

Now let us also read and translate this statement of the (Fourteenth Amendment.)

"In Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94 (1884), the clause's meaning was tested regarding whether birth in the United States automatically extended national citizenship." The Supreme Court held that Native Americans who voluntarily quit their tribes did not automatically gain national citizenship."

If a person leaves their homeland freely and flees to another Country illegally, undocumented, breaks a Country law by entering the Country unlawfully, they have committed an act of crime, therefore illegal alien nor the child they gives birth to should have any legal rights to become a citizen of the Country the parent fled to. Furthermore, Congressmen have a right to enact laws to cease illegal immigrants unlawful invasions, especially when there is a situation such as the United States currently are combating with millions of illegal aliens constantly entering the U.S. without respect for the United States Laws.

However, if illegal alien’s wants to risk being deported back to their homelands and the United States begins to adopt their children, this is another way to deter illegal immigrant’s disrespectful behavior towards the U.S. If they enters any other Country the same as they come to the United States, they will be sitting behind prison or jail bars. One thing need to be made clear to undocumented aliens, if their children do become legal citizens it does not mean they will be granted citizenship, they will leave children behind and be sent back to the Country they fled from. Why would any parents put their children through such heartache? The best option is to leave this Country while you have a chance to do so and take your children with you, it would cease much sadness for parents and children.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth ... nstitution

Out of date laws should always be updated. 1868

NEW:::

Looks like a vote will now take place next week

AZ: Vote eyed in AZ on denial of citizenship to children of
http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-227459.html

Originally Posted by jamesw62

NEW:::

Looks like a vote will now take place next week

AZ: Vote eyed in AZ on denial of citizenship to children of
http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-227459.html

Yes! I hope it pass this time!!!

My Prayer goes out to Arizona.

Yup next week a vote is going forward. Time to get to work on the Arizona Judiciary subcommitee members and let them know that either way they stand this should go for a senate vote and should proceed for a supreme court ruling on the issue unless they don't favor US Law and the SC.

Quick email list for any interested for those members.

adriggs@azleg.gov, abiggs@azleg.gov, sgallardo@azleg.gov, jmccomish@azleg.gov, rmurphy@azleg.gov, ksinema@azleg.gov, syarbrough@azleg.gov, rgould@azleg.gov

Originally Posted by Pisces_2010

The amendment says that persons born in this country and "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" are considered U.S. citizens.

Now let us also read and translate this statement of the (Fourteenth Amendment.)

"In Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94 (1884), the clause's meaning was tested regarding whether birth in the United States automatically extended national citizenship." The Supreme Court held that Native Americans who voluntarily quit their tribes did not automatically gain national citizenship."

If a person leaves their homeland freely and flees to another Country illegally, undocumented, breaks a Country law by entering the Country unlawfully, they have committed an act of crime, therefore illegal alien nor the child they gives birth to should have any legal rights to become a citizen of the Country the parent fled to. Furthermore, Congressmen have a right to enact laws to cease illegal immigrants unlawful invasions, especially when there is a situation such as the United States currently are combating with millions of illegal aliens constantly entering the U.S. without respect for the United States Laws.

However, if illegal alien’s wants to risk being deported back to their homelands and the United States begins to adopt their children, this is another way to deter illegal immigrant’s disrespectful behavior towards the U.S. If they enters any other Country the same as they come to the United States, they will be sitting behind prison or jail bars. One thing need to be made clear to undocumented aliens, if their children do become legal citizens it does not mean they will be granted citizenship, they will leave children behind and be sent back to the Country they fled from. Why would any parents put their children through such heartache? The best option is to leave this Country while you have a chance to do so and take your children with you, it would cease much sadness for parents and children.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth ... nstitution

Out of date laws should always be updated. 1868

Your point is well taken and stated. The entire legislative conversations that surrounded the final verbage and implementation of the 14th ammendment need to be completely reviewed. They shed a tremendous amount of light on the argument against automatic birthright citizenship.

Originally Posted by escalade

Originally Posted by Pisces_2010

The amendment says that persons born in this country and "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" are considered U.S. citizens.

Now let us also read and translate this statement of the (Fourteenth Amendment.)

"In Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94 (1884), the clause's meaning was tested regarding whether birth in the United States automatically extended national citizenship." The Supreme Court held that Native Americans who voluntarily quit their tribes did not automatically gain national citizenship."

If a person leaves their homeland freely and flees to another Country illegally, undocumented, breaks a Country law by entering the Country unlawfully, they have committed an act of crime, therefore illegal alien nor the child they gives birth to should have any legal rights to become a citizen of the Country the parent fled to. Furthermore, Congressmen have a right to enact laws to cease illegal immigrants unlawful invasions, especially when there is a situation such as the United States currently are combating with millions of illegal aliens constantly entering the U.S. without respect for the United States Laws.

However, if illegal alien’s wants to risk being deported back to their homelands and the United States begins to adopt their children, this is another way to deter illegal immigrant’s disrespectful behavior towards the U.S. If they enters any other Country the same as they come to the United States, they will be sitting behind prison or jail bars. One thing need to be made clear to undocumented aliens, if their children do become legal citizens it does not mean they will be granted citizenship, they will leave children behind and be sent back to the Country they fled from. Why would any parents put their children through such heartache? The best option is to leave this Country while you have a chance to do so and take your children with you, it would cease much sadness for parents and children.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth ... nstitution

Out of date laws should always be updated. 1868

Your point is well taken and stated. The entire legislative conversations that surrounded the final verbage and implementation of the 14th amendment need to be completely reviewed. They shed a tremendous amount of light on the argument against automatic birthright citizenship.

Correct, and there is not any statements I could see in the (Fourteenth Amendment) that would grant persons who broke laws of a Country any type of citizenship, and this also includes illegal alien children because their parents were not forced to be in the United States through slavery, they arrived freely to the U.S. undocumented.

Someone contacted me via email about how I have explained the (Fourteenth Amendment), person said they never viewed birth rights the way I have expressed in the above post. I studied all Constitutional Amendments in college and understand undocumented aliens are not entitled to any type of citizenship, nor the children they give birth to while in this Country. If they would have arrived to the United States with a Visa Passport, yes their children could possibly become citizens of the U.S. because they would be legal guests in this Country.

New date set for vote.

AZ. Vote on birthright bill planned for Monday 2/14/2011

http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-227483.html

Originally Posted by JohnDoe2

New date set for vote.

AZ. Vote on birthright bill planned for Monday 2/14/2011

http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-227483.html

Wow! The show down is very close!!!