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    Akaka bill seeks ethnic-Hawaiian government

    By Ralph Z. Hallow
    THE WASHINGTON TIMES

    A Senate Democrat is pushing a bill that would allow a separate government for ethnic Hawaiians.

    Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle and other Republicans also support the bill, which critics say would have dire ramifications beyond Hawaii.
    "By creating a race-based government in the United States, we would be enhancing a trend toward the Balkanization of our culture," said Sen. Jon Kyl of Arizona, the Senate Republican Policy Committee chairman. "This would be the first time that we would actually be creating a race-based government entity within the United States."

    The bill, sponsored by Sen. Daniel K. Akaka, Hawaii Democrat, would designate ethnic Hawaiians -- thought to account for about 20 percent of the state's population -- as an "indigenous people" comparable to American Indians and Alaska natives.
    "All my bill does is clarify the political and legal relationship between native Hawaiians and the United States, thereby establishing parity in the federal policies towards American Indians, Alaska natives and native Hawaiians," Mr. Akaka told The Washington Times last week.

    In March, Mrs. Lingle said the bill would help preserve ethnic-Hawaiian culture. She denied critics' claims that "federal recognition of native Hawaiians constitutes a race-based preference or racial discrimination."
    She told the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs that the bill would help "individual native Hawaiians to become more self-sufficient, which reduces their reliance on state and federally funded services." She said that a "Native Hawaiian government" could take control of state and federal programs for social services that spend money collected from taxpayers nationwide.

    Mr. Akaka said the bill does not automatically "transfer ... any lands, assets or natural resources," but provides for a process for the proposed ethnic-Hawaiian "governing entity" to negotiate such matters with the state and federal governments.

    Although details would have to be negotiated, a separate government likely would grant ethnic Hawaiians the same kind of dual U.S.-tribal citizenship as American Indians. Like Indian tribal members, they could be prosecuted for crimes by federal and native authorities and would travel under U.S. passports.

    The transfer of any lands to the ethnic-Hawaiian government would be negotiated and, proponents say, probably require further federal and state legislation.

    Opponents claim that the process would lead to the ethnic-Hawaiian "entity" having a government-to-government relationship with the United States and autonomy over the affairs of native Hawaiians, with the rest of the state's population represented by Hawaii's state government.

    "This bill is un-American in that it seeks to define citizenship based on race, rather than shared ideals," said Bruce Fein, a constitutional lawyer and Justice Department official in the Reagan administration.

    Critics say the Native Hawaiian Government Reorganization Act of 2005 would deny state and county governments the full exercise of civil and criminal procedures and jurisdiction over homeland security, render the "tribal" government immune from lawsuits for breach of contract and personal injury, and empower the entity to make unlimited campaign contributions of untaxed dollars as a way to buy political influence.

    Sen. Craig Thomas, Wyoming Republican, said his major concerns are the "high, ongoing costs" for federal programs aiding native Hawaiians under the bill as well as the process it sets out for a separate governing entity. Sen. James M. Inhofe, Oklahoma Republican, has opposed similar legislation, citing concerns from some of his state's tribes.

    Mr. Akaka said his bill "provides a process for the reorganization of the native- Hawaiian governing entity for the purposes of a federally recognized government-to-government relationship."

    He said the "action is similar to the restoration of an Indian tribe."
    "Congress has recognized native Hawaiians as the indigenous peoples of Hawaii and has enacted more than 160 laws to address the conditions of native Hawaiians."
    It's like hell vomited and the Bush administration appeared.

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    This isn't an illegal alien issue, per se, but the writing's on the wall as to the results of the continued Balkanization of the US.

    Will we soon be seeing a call for an "ethnic Hispanic" government in the American Southwest?

    More than likely, I believe, and soon, too.
    It's like hell vomited and the Bush administration appeared.

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    WOW!! This stuff just never ends....now its the Hawaiians. Well....NO, you may not have your own government. We fought a Civil War over the same thing. NADA. You're American, GET OVER IT!! Maintain your traditions, practice your customs provided they don't violate American Law. YOU ARE FREE to do whatever you like, except violate American Law.

    They could form their own group like the Amish. That seems to work fairly well...except for certain crimes....that's getting messy with the Amish, but something like that arrangement should work.

    Another idea is to form a municipality and have a municipal government. That is a powerful form of government for governing daily life.

    The whole notion of the US is to be free so long as it doesn't violate American Law or..... get too kinky. Then our Government is forced to pass laws to regulate the kink.
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    She told the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs that the bill would help "individual native Hawaiians to become more self-sufficient, which reduces their reliance on state and federally funded services." She said that a "Native Hawaiian government" could take control of state and federal programs for social services that spend money collected from taxpayers nationwide.
    If you want to be self sufficient how about no federal and state tax dollars. Better yet we will find you another island where you can go live by yourself. I'm even willing to chip in with a one way ticket.
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    Importation of Illegals, and now this.. appears to be a systematic dismantleing of our country to me. This stuff has to end.

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    DonQuixote!! DARN STRAIGHT.....This Stuff Has to End NOW!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy
    WOW!! This stuff just never ends....now its the Hawaiians. Well....NO, you may not have your own government. We fought a Civil War over the same thing. NADA. You're American, GET OVER IT!! Maintain your traditions, practice your customs provided they don't violate American Law. YOU ARE FREE to do whatever you like, except violate American Law.
    I don't like this either, but the American indians have had this for a while. Why do you think their lands are refered to as "indian nations" ?? They have their own government, laws, courts. I am not sure how the state/fed US government interacts with them, but I think for many things, the indian nations trump the US.

    I see this happening in the SW US, and happening soon. These foolz will "claim" that they are indiginous people of the area (even though they are tresspassing here!!!!!) This might be a hard issue to fight, espeically if this "bill" in HI sets any precidence!

    H.

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    I see your point Husker. But the Mexicans were not indigenous and there is no evidence to support that. The invaded before we arrived. The American Indians were here for as far back as the first humans to set foot on American soil. They believe they came from Russia.

    It's all water under the bridge. This going back hundreds of years to try to stay in the United States when they weren't even born, have no linage to link and entered our Nation State illegally....will not fly here. It's garbage in Hawaii and it's garbage here.

    If Mexican Americans want to practice a culture, they are also free to do that so long as they do not violate American Law.

    New aliens sneakin' across the border over the last 100 years who are not yet citizens have no right to be here. And, they are going home!!!

    GET TROOPS TO THE BORDER NOW!!
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