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    Amnesty, No! Wall, Si! Trump and the DACA Debacle –

    This article is from 3 weeks ago but I decided to post it because it's rock solid, dead-on and it
    says it all.


    Amnesty, No! Wall, Si! Trump and the DACA Debacle –



    Let’s pretend I broke into your house.

    When you discover me there, you insist I leave. But I say,

    “I’ve made all the beds, washed the dishes, did the laundry, and cleaned the floors; I’ve done all the work you don’t like to do. I’m hardworking and honest (except for breaking into your house). Not only must you let me stay, you must also add me to your insurance plan, educate my kids, and provide these benefits to my husband, too (he will do your yard work, he’s honest and hardworking too–except for that breaking in part).

    If you try to force me out, I will call my friends who will picket your house and proclaim my right to be there! It’s only fair, because you have a nicer house than I do, and I’m trying to better myself. I’m hardworking and honest…except for, well, you know. I will live in your house, contributing only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it without being accused of selfishness and prejudice.

    Oh yeah, I want you to learn my language so you can communicate with me.”

    Good plan…don’t you think?

    Is this a behavior we should be rewarding?

    Foxnews.com
    reports that:
    President Donald Trump said Thursday that Republican congressional leaders were “very much on board” with negotiations to protect so-called “Dreamers”— hundreds of thousands of young immigrants who were brought into the U.S. illegally — from deportation.

    However, the president also vowed “there will be no amnesty” and pushed back against claims by Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., that a deal had been reached at a White House dinner Wednesday night.

    “We’re working on a plan subject to getting massive border controls. We’re working on a plan for DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals). People want to see that happen,” Trump told reporters in Florida while surveying damage from Hurricane Irma. He added: “‘I think we’re fairly close but we have to get massive border security.”


    After Trump landed in Florida, he declared repeatedly, “If we don’t have a wall, we’re doing nothing.”


    Schumer and Pelosi issued a joint statement following the dinner announcing a broad agreement on immigration. On the Senate floor Thursday morning, Schumer insisted that both sides were in agreement and there was no dispute.


    “If you listen to the president’s comments this morning … it is clear that what Leader Pelosi and I put out last night was exactly accurate,” said Schumer. “We have reached an understanding on this issue. We have to work out details, and we can work together on a border security package with the White House and get DACA on the floor quickly.”


    Indeed, in the face of ferocious pushback from conservative lawmakers and media outlets including Breitbart, run by former Trump adviser Steve Bannon, the White House appeared focused more on shaping presentation of the agreement, than on denying it outright.


    “By no means was any deal ever reached,” White House spokeswoman Lindsay Walters told reporters aboard Air Force One as the president traveled to Florida.

    “This is something that Congress needs to work on.”


    But Breitbart was already labeling Trump “Amnesty Don.”


    “The Trump administration will not be discussing amnesty,” Walters said. The president wants “a responsible path forward in immigration reform. That could include legal citizenship over a period of time. But absolutely by no means will this White House discuss amnesty,” she said, although most conservatives would consider “legal citizenship over a period of time” to meet the definition of amnesty.


    The House’s foremost immigration hard-liner, Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, addressed Trump over Twitter, writing that if the reports were true, “Trump base is blown up, destroyed, irreparable, and disillusioned beyond repair. No promise is credible.”


    Schumer and Pelosi said in a statement that the details on border security needed to be negotiated, that both sides agreed “the wall would not be any part of this agreement” and that Trump said he would pursue the wall later.


    And soon after, Trump appeared to confirm that approach. “The wall will come later, we’re right now renovating large sections of wall, massive sections, making it brand new,” he told reporters before his Florida trip.


    He also said Republican congressional leaders, House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., favored his approach on the immigration program. “Ryan and McConnell agree with us on DACA,” Trump said, adding that he had spoken to them by telephone.


    Ryan, meanwhile, was adamant after speaking with Trump and White House Chief of Staff John Kelly that no agreement had been reached.


    “The president wasn’t negotiating a deal last night. The president was talking with Democratic leaders to get their perspectives,” he told reporters on Capitol Hill.


    Republicans in Congress, meanwhile, tried to make sense of the confusion.


    “Slow down the trains, there’s no agreement,” said Rep. Dave Brat, R-Va., who warned” ”You can make a deal all you want, it’s got to get past the House and the Senate.”


    In a series of tweets Thursday, Trump expressed empathy for the nearly 800,000 young people — many brought to the United States as toddlers or children — who were protected from deportation and given work permits under DACA.


    “Does anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military? Really!” he tweeted Thursday.”


    Trump announced last week that his administration was rescinding the program, but gave Congress six months to come up with a legislative fix.


    The back-and-forth comes as the president has suddenly turned to Democrats to jump-start his legislative imperatives. Only days ago, Trump and the Democratic leaders agreed to back a three-month extension of the debt limit in order to speed hurricane assistance.

    The backlash that President Trump has received from Conservative Voters, who are afraid that he is going back on his word that he will not grant amnesty to those who are here illegally, has been “Yuge!” and uglier than Rosie O’ Donnell in a thong bikini.

    Hold on. I almost made myself throw up.

    If the President were to change his mind and offer blanket amnesty to those whom Barack Hussein Obama named “Dreamers”, he would be intentionally bypassing the normal process of legal Immigration, including one very important part, which all immigrants, who wish to be Americans
    must pledge:

    I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.

    A little over a month after I started Kingjester’s Blog, on May 18, 2010, a young man named Benito wrote me to me in the comments section. Benito, an activist for the cause of Illegal Immigration, insisted that the situation of people in this country illegally, was one of “Civil Rights”. This is how I responded to him:

    Benito, I approved your comment to ask you a few questions. First, you write very well. Next, a few questions. What part of the word “illegal” do you not understand?

    What makes the current influx of illegal immigrants exempt from the rules and regulations that every other generation of immigrants to this country had to abide by in order to become legal citizens of the greatest nation in the world?

    By being here illegally, you are not entitled to the same rights as natural-born or naturalized American citizens.

    You are no better than someone who breaks into someone’s home, does their dishes, cuts their yard, cleans their house, and then helps themselves to their food and drives their car without asking. This is in no way a human rights issue. Freedom is God-given. And with freedom comes responsibility. With citizenship comes responsibility, like paying taxes and making your own way.

    Illegal immigration reminds me of the amorous boyfriend who wants everything a young woman will give him, but will leave her at the first mention of marriage.

    I wish you no ill, amigo, but understand this: This is not a civil rights issue. Illegals do not have the same rights as American Citizens. With our rights, come the responsibilities of being an American citizen. The Mexican flag, by protocol, will always be flown in a subordinate position to the American Flag in this country. And, the American Dialect of the English language is the language spoken in this country.

    Vaya con Dios.

    If Trump has a “Read My Lips” moment, his decision will have detrimental consequences for average Americans and our Sovereign Nation.

    And, any plans he might have for a reelection bid.

    What makes those benefiting from DACA, who wish to stay here forever, exempt from the rules and regulations that every other generation of immigrants to this country had to abide by in order to become legal citizens of the greatest nation in the world?

    These “Dreamers” must go through the same immigration process that other generations of immigrants have gone through.

    Or, a stringent, controlled pathway to citizenship that will end with them going through the same procedures as all other legal immigrants before them.

    As another President wrote, some 110 years ago…

    In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin.

    But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American… There can be no divided allegiance here.

    Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag… We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language… and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people. –
    Theodore Roosevelt 1907

    Mr. President, please listen to those of us who believed in you, supported you, and elected you.

    FORGET AMNESTY. BUILD THE WALL.

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    President George W Bush made the most outlandish statement in his speech the other day. He said America is not a nation of blood and soil, but a nation of ideals. Have you ever heard of such a public ridicule of American Citizenship? Have you ever imagined a former 2 term President could blabber such blasphemy? America is solely a nation of blood and soil. That is what our entire citizenry is based upon which is the foundation of our entire nation from the beginning of this nation.
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    We want NO DACA and NO path to stay. We want NO anchor babies and we want this SCAM terminated now, today.

    We will ALLOW, out of the goodness of our hearts, for ALL DACA work permits to expire on their own with NO renewals.

    We will ALLOW them to sell out, pack up and get out and get in line like the One Billion other "dreamers" on the planet. They take their entire family with them with no loopholes or scams like "foster" care for them to stay. No taxpayer money.

    They have pushed the American people too far! We want no other solution but a PATH right back to their own countries.

    A PATH that their President has to put them on a PATH to success on their soil.

    They want "America"...they can go and damn well build it on their soil.

    The Gravy Train is OVER.
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    “The Trump administration will not be discussing amnesty,” Walters said. The president wants “a responsible path forward in immigration reform. That could include legal citizenship over a period of time. But absolutely by no means will this White House discuss amnesty,” she said, although most conservatives would consider “legal citizenship over a period of time” to meet the definition of amnesty.
    It would be nice if those folks in the Trump administration would get their heads out of their collective butts and quit attempting to redefine amnesty to fit their own agenda! Allowing illegals to remain here legally is amnesty!
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