Thread: IN: BMV letter over driver's license data worries immigrants

BMV letter over driver's license data worries immigrants
Saturday, December 8, 2007 4:45 PM CST

SOUTH BEND, Ind. - The Bureau of Motor Vehicles' recent letter notifying 206,000 Hoosiers that information on their driver's licenses doesn't match a government database has left some immigrants fearful that they'll lose their licenses.

Heart and Hands, a Plymouth nonprofit that helps Latinos and immigrants, has been "bombarded" by callers worried about losing their licenses, said Director Rebecca Griffy.

Those fears are real because any recipient of the BMV letter who cannot resolve the mismatched data issues will have their licensed revoked.

Griffy said undocumented residents often use false Social Security numbers. She said that if they lose their license it could hurt the economy by keeping people from working and shopping.

"Now we have a bunch of people who are not going to be able to drive," she said.

The BMV scanned records of all of its driver's licenses and ID cards and found 3 percent, or 206,000, didn't match a Social Security database, said BMV spokesman Dennis Rosebrough.

There were numbers, names, genders and birth dates that were off. Some could have happened by an innocent mistake or when someone married and changed names, Rosebrough said.

Letters went out in November. Although the letters don't say it, people have until Jan. 31 to resolve the mismatches, Rosebrough said. He said a follow-up letter will point that out.

On Jan. 31, he said, licenses will be revoked if the individuals haven't offered proof to correct the information.

On Nov. 7, the BMV also started checking the Social Security database to verify the information of anyone applying for a license, ID card, permit or title.

The letter recipients can fix their data by going to a BMV branch, visiting the BMV's Web site or sending a form in the mail. These options worked for 70 percent of those who tried it, Rosebrough said. The other 30 percent needed to give more information.

Griffy said she can't help but feel that the BMV is targeting immigrants.

The Rev. Christopher Cox, pastor of St. Adalbert Parish in South Bend, which offers Spanish Masses and helps people with the letters every day, agrees. He calls it an "unnecessary burden on people," partly because the letters are written only in English.

About 24 percent of the letters went to people who had no Social Security number on file, Rosebrough said.

He said there was a period before 2001 when you could gain a license in Indiana without giving a Social Security number.

Indiana is now the 48th state to use a system to directly check its data with the Social Security Administration.

But Rosebrough said this isn't prompted by the REAL ID Act, a federal law that will, in general, require driver's licenses to match Social Security information. The specific regulations have yet to be issued, but that law could go into effect next year.

"This is not in response to any regulations that are being promulgated or proposed by the feds," he said.

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Griffy said she can't help but feel that the BMV is targeting immigrants.












Ummmm, no.....the BMV is targeting illegal aliens who willingly and knowingly provided false information in order to fraudulently obtain driver's licenses.

This is a crime. Revoke the licenses and then throw the book at them.

All they are doing is cross referencing their data base.....how can that be recial profiling....everyone's records get checked....not just those with Spanish names.....

Originally Posted by grandmasmad

All they are doing is cross referencing their data base.....how can that be recial profiling....everyone's records get checked....not just those with Spanish names.....

Exactly!!! I guess their line of thinking is the same one which tells them that a BMV computer is capable of discerning who is an "immigrant" and who is not

I hope they will use this info to check voter registration then turn all false registrations over to ICE.

Originally Posted by USPatriot

I hope they will use this info to check voter registration then turn all false registrations over to ICE.

I was wondering if this isn't in the works and they just haven't made it public.

"Now we have a bunch of people who are not going to be able to drive," she said.

Then they'd pack up and head on home. We wouldn't want them to get a DWL ticket on the way out.

USPatriot wrote:

I hope they will use this info to check voter registration then turn all false registrations over to ICE.

Heart and Hands, a Plymouth nonprofit that helps Latinos and immigrants, has been "bombarded" by callers worried about losing their licenses, said Director Rebecca Griffy.

Those fears are real because any recipient of the BMV letter who cannot resolve the mismatched data issues will have their licensed revoked.

Griffy said undocumented residents often use false Social Security numbers. She said that if they lose their license it could hurt the economy by keeping people from working and shopping. [/u]

Wish this article was in quotes about what she said. She admits knowing illegal immigrants "often use false Social Security numbers" which is fraud and possible idenity theft.

Director Rebecca Griffy and Heart and Hands--a Plymouth nonprofit that helps Latinos and immigrants are not only aiding and abetting illegals; they are actively involved in a conspiracy to protect the illegals and accessories to the fraudelent use of false Social Security cards.

We need to shut down tax-exempt organizations like Heart and Hands that break the law to aid illegals. We need to write to our congressmen and put an end to this criminal activity and request, like USPatriot recommended, they cross check voter registration lists.

http://www.criminal-law-lawyer-source.c ... ssory.html

Accessory

An accessory to a crime is any individual who knowingly and voluntarily participates in the commission of a crime. An accessory is not typically present at the scene of the crime, but contributes to the success of the crime before or after the fact. A person charged as an accessory to a crime before the fact is one who incites, abets, or aids a person in the commission of a criminal act. An individual who is an accessory after the fact receives, shelters, comforts, relieves, or assists a felon after the crime has been committed. A person can be an accessory if they provide any support or assistance, whether financially, emotionally, or factually....

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/c103.htm

CONSPIRACY - 18 U.S.C. 371 makes it a separate Federal crime or offense for anyone to conspire or agree with someone else to do something which, if actually carried out, would amount to another Federal crime or offense. So, under this law, a 'conspiracy' is an agreement or a kind of 'partnership' in criminal purposes in which each member becomes the agent or partner of every other member.

In order to establish a conspiracy offense it is not necessary for the Government to prove that all of the people named in the indictment were members of the scheme; or that those who were members had entered into any formal type of agreement; or that the members had planned together all of the details of the scheme or the 'overt acts' that the indictment charges would be carried out in an effort to commit the intended crime........

No government can help the destinies of people who insist in putting sectional and class consciousness ahead of general weal.
Franklin D. Roosevelt

Send a copy of it to the IRS, DHS, and DOJ, other officials that may be able to help with a letter stating why you believe they should be investigated.

Yet another article referring to criminal invaders as 'immigrants.' They are not immigrants, they are illegal aliens who should not have a DL to begin with.

Griffy said undocumented residents often use false Social Security numbers. She said that if they lose their license it could hurt the economy by keeping people from working and shopping.

In other words, we must not inconvenience identity thieves by curtailing their activities. If they are in this country illegally, they should not be working to begin with, not to mention shopping. This is insanity.