Thread: Boy 11, Left Parents Deported

Originally Posted by Triumph

I have a serious problem

I robbed a bank 10 yrs. ago. Running from the law is no fun. Anyway when caught I was wondering if they would allow my children to keep the money. They were not part of the actual robbery itself, they sat in the car.I mean after-all they have adjusted to that way of life now. Wouldnt that fall under a hardship. If they take the money as well as the material things I have purchased. My family will have nothing left. All my hardwork will have been for nothing. After all when is the betterment for ones family a criminal act.


As I said before, It was for the betterment of my family

Besides if you took me to jail, it would cause undue stress.

I agree you may go free
With and extra
Say $2,000 a month
Would that be enough or could you use an new home and car ...
I see that you have no record left on the books so that your children will be able to hold there heads up when they go to Harvard on my family ticket
Free of charge to you of course...
would you like to run for local office in the next election we have a space and your honesty and family values will surely get you the job… O and please
don’t sign any release papers
we will want you to sue us latter after you’ve been so justly rewarded !!!

I agree you may go free
With and extra
Say $2,000 a month
Would that be enough or could you use an new home and car ...
I see that you have no record left on the books so that your children will be able to hold there heads up when they go to Harvard on my family ticket
Free of charge to you of course...
would you like to run for local office in the next election we have a space and your honesty and family values will surely get you the job… O and please
don’t sign any release papers
we will want you to sue us latter after you’ve been so justly rewarded !!!

PLEASE DONT FORGET TO JAIL THE COP THAT ARRESTED THE ROBBER. CANT FORGET THAT NICE LITTLE TOUCH.

Perhaps it would be prudent for parents who are in the country illegally to make advance arrangements for their children. They should explain to their children that they broke the law when they entered the country and that their violations continue daily; that it exposes them to arrest and exposes the children to be left unattended for a period if they are finally caught for their offense. They might also explain to their children why they don't avoid these risks by returning to their country before they are arrested.

It would also be a good time to counsel the children on avoiding the illegal conduct that has put their family in peril.

I think the right thing was done. I hope this serves as a precidence for the future times when an illegal is stopped. Send them home where they belong.

That's my story and I am sticking to it!

Posted on Thu, Oct. 18, 2007
Homestead boy rejoins deported parents in Mexico
By ALFONSO CHARDY
An 11-year-old boy whose parents were deported after a traffic stop in Miami last month was reunited with his family late Thursday in Mexico, leaving behind controversy about the role of local police in enforcing federal immigration laws.
LucÃ*a Mendoza-Santoyo, 34, told The Miami Herald in a telephone interview that she had pleaded with immigration officers to let her take care of her son Marcos, but officials insist the parents were adamant the boy should stay with an uncle in Homestead.

With the aid of the Mexican consulate in Miami, Marcos was flown home to Mexico on Thursday. ''Thanks be to God that we are together again,'' Mendoza-Santoyo said after hugging and kissing Marcos at the Morelia airport. Marcos, who was escorted on the flight by a Mexican consular official from Miami, was reunited with his parents and two younger brothers who had stayed behind with their grandmother in Mexico. Mexican officials and news media were there to greet the boy.

The case illustrates the ongoing confusion about the proper role of local and state police in detaining undocumented immigrants during routine traffic stops -- an issue that remains unsettled because there is no uniform Florida policy about when state law enforcement can ask immigrants if they are in the country illegally.

Immigration enforcement is a federal responsibility, and undocumented status is not a criminal offense.

HER ACCOUNT

Mendoza-Santoyo's recollections of her arrest on Sept. 22 differed from immigration authorities' version of events and that of immigration advocates who came to her defense and had thought the boy had been turned away from the Krome Detention Center when a family friend took him there to find his parents.

It turns out Mendoza-Santoyo and her husband Constantino Vásquez-Tapia were held at the Broward Transitional Center in Pompano Beach. They both worked construction jobs, Mendoza-Santoyo said, and not in a nursery in Homestead, as advocates believed.

The couple and a male friend were stopped on Sept. 22 by a Florida Highway Patrol officer who asked about their immigration status when Vásquez-Tapia couldn't produce a driver's license. The officer then called Border Patrol.

Victor Colón, a Border Patrol spokesman in Pembroke Pines, said officers who arrested the couple offered to ''reunite'' them with Marcos, but they refused because the child was staying with an uncle and was ``well cared for.''

''If there had been any question about the welfare of the child, the Border Patrol would have acted to protect that child,'' Colón said.

Mendoza-Santoyo said she told Border Patrol officers to let her son stay with her brother in Homestead only when it became clear that they would also detain him.

''They didn't want to hear anything about letting me go,'' Mendoza-Santoyo said a week after being deported. ``Their attitude was, we were criminals and we needed to be detained and deported, that if I insisted on the child, he would be detained as well.''

OTHER ACCOUNT

Iván OrtÃ*z, a spokesman for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, backed up the Border Patrol version, saying records show the ``child was in the care of a designated relative.''

OrtÃ*z said Thursday that on Oct. 7, two family friends had taken Marcos to visit his detained parents at the Pompano Beach site. During the visit, witnessed by an immigration officer, the mother and the visitors agreed that the child would return to Mexico after the parents' deportation.

Mendoza-Santoyo said she saw her son at the facility, but that immigration officers offered no expressions of concern.

''All those things are lies,'' she said. ``I told them to at least let me go home to care for my child, but they replied that I should stop talking like that because if I didn't they would lock us up in jail and the child would be taken away from us. That scared me. They said we had no right to anything and that they didn't care.''

Immigrant-rights activists in Homestead were infuriated that the FHP had summoned the Border Patrol.

''This action harms relations between the community and the police and intimidates potential crime victims who will not be willing to come forward and report crime for fear of being deported,'' said Hermán MartÃ*nez of the American Friends Service Committee.

Maj. Ernesto Duarte, an FHP spokesman, said it is state troopers' practice to contact immigration authorities if during traffic stops they encounter foreign nationals who admit to being in the country illegally or who are suspected of not having proper immigration documents.

''Our troopers are not actively seeking illegal immigrants,'' Duarte said.

Undocumented immigrants cannot obtain Florida driver licenses because after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, state authorities linked driving permits to the duration of a foreign national's visa. Duarte said he did not know what prompted the FHP officer to contact Border Patrol. A record of the incident was not immediately available.

HANDCUFFED

Mendoza-Santoyo said her husband was driving the car when an FHP cruiser, with lights and siren on, pulled up behind them on a road near Miami. She did not recall the specific location.

She said the police officer told her husband that his license tag was expired and then asked for his driver's license. When her husband said he didn't have one, the officer went to his car. He came back and handcuffed her, her husband and their friend. More than two hours later, several Border Patrol officers arrived and arrested all three after they admitted being illegally in the country.

Mendoza-Santoyo said she was glad her son was safe.

She described him as ``quiet but smart and sweet.''

Mendoza-Santoyo said the couple had been saving money to return to Morelia eventually.

''Jobs were drying up and immigration [enforcement] was tougher,'' she said. ``The atmosphere was tense, not friendly toward foreigners.''

Asked if she planned to return, Mendoza-Santoyo shot back: ``I don't ever want to go back there.''

Giovanni Fuentes of the newspaper La Voz de Michoacán in Morelia contributed to this report.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breakin ... 76680.html

Thank goodness that highway patrol can actually ask about immigration status. This gets people like him who are unlicensed off the road. Miami Dade Police are not allowed to according to memo that a chief sent out. You are expected to enforce the law as one of their officers but have your hands tied in some ways as well. If they would have pulled him over the driver would have been taken to jail, the car towed and the woman freed. Then it would be up to the jail to decide if they will call immigration. All this because the police department doesn't want to be sued or called racist.

Asked if she planned to return, Mendoza-Santoyo shot back: ``I don't ever want to go back there.''

GOOD!

Originally Posted by jean

Posted on Thu, Oct. 18, 2007
Homestead boy rejoins deported parents in Mexico
By ALFONSO CHARDY
An 11-year-old boy whose parents were deported after a traffic stop in Miami last month was reunited with his family late Thursday in Mexico, leaving behind controversy about the role of local police in enforcing federal immigration laws. http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking_news/story/276680.html

Local police is not enforcing immigration laws, they are assisting ICE and the is legal according the National Immigration laws.
They call ice when a traffice stop do not produce identification or drivers license are they is credible suspicion that they are illegal.

Track 'anchor babies'

theamericanresistance.com ^ | September 11, 2002 | Al Knight
Posted on 05/13/2006 2:16:18 PM PDT by stopem
The term "anchor baby" is unfamiliar to most Americans, but it nicely describes one of the more troubling aspects of American immigration policy.
Put simply, an anchor baby is the offspring of an illegal immigrant who, under current legal interpretation, becomes a U.S. citizen at birth and, in turn, is the means by which parents and relatives can also obtain citizenship for themselves by using the family reunification features of immigration law.
It's estimated there may be as many as 200,000 anchor babies born each year in the U.S. No single agency keeps track, but there is abundant, if fragmented, evidence that births are not limited to areas near the Mexican border.
In a recent year in Colorado, the state's emergency Medicaid program paid an estimated $30 million in hospital and physician delivery costs for about 6,000 illegal immigrant mothers. And the Nashville Tennessean reported last year that the Metro General Hospital in Davidson County had recorded 511 births during a one-year period, two-thirds of them to illegal immigrants.(Excerpt) Read more at theamericanresistance.com ...

Dont Be So Sure That The CHILD Is A Citizen

"The problem is that this (Fourteenth Amendment)has been misinterpreted in recent years to mean simply that anyone born in the U.S, under any circumstances, is an American citizen.
This is neither the original intent of the law nor the way it was interpreted by the courts in subsequent decades. Some Americans speak of birthright citizenship as if it were an immutable law of nature. It is not, and most other nations do not, in fact, recognize it. It is only a BAD HABIT that could be broken with a simple Executive Order.

According to estimates, some 200,000 so-called anchor babies are born in the United States every year.
Once a mother has birthed a child on American soil, she can then seek to obtain citizenship for herself on the strength of the family-reunification laws.
Even before this happens, she is very hard to deport, as the mother of an American, and the full panoply of welfare benefits is available to her, as is affirmative action if she is a member of a racial minority.

A group of attorneys and immigration experts are trying to do something about the problem RIGHT NOW.

Craig Nelsen, director of Friends of Immigration Law Enforcement Stated :
"The situation we have today is absurd,There is a huge and growing industry in Asia that arranges tourist visas for pregnant women so they can fly to the United States and give birth to an American. This was not the intent of the Fourteenth Amendment; it makes a mockery of citizenship." (Sound Familiar??)

The key to undoing the current misinterpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment is this odd phrase

"AND SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION THEREOF."

The whole problem is caused by the fact that the meaning of this phrase, which was clear to anyone versed in legal language in 1868, has slipped with changes in usage. Fortunately, there is a large group of court precedents that make clear what the phrase actually means:

The Fourteenth Amendment EXCLUDES the children of aliens. (The Slaughterhouse Cases (83 U.S. 36 (1873))

The Fourteenth Amendment draws a distinction between the children of aliens and children of citizens. (Minor v. Happersett (88 U.S. 162 (1874))

The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction" REQUIRES "Direct And Immediate ALLEGIENCE" to the United States, NOT just physical presence.
(Elk v. Wilkins 112 U.S. 94 (1884))

There is NO automatic birthright citizenship in a particular case. (Wong Kim Ark Case, 169 U.S. 649 (189)

The Supreme Court has NEVER confirmed birthright citizenship for the children of illegal aliens, temporary workers, and tourists.
(Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202, 211 n.10 (1982))

There are other cases referring to minor details of the question. The so-called 14th amendment was never properly ratified either.
In the case of Dyett v. Turner, 439 P.2d 266, 270 (196, the Utah Supreme Court recited numerous historical facts proving, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that the so-called 14th amendment was likewise a major fraud upon the American People.
Those facts, in many cases, were Acts of the several State Legislatures voting for or against that proposal to amend the U.S. Constitution. The Supreme Law Library has a collection of references detailing this major fraud.

The U.S. Constitution requires that constitutional amendments be ratified by three-fourths of the several States. As such, their Acts are governed by the Full Faith and Credit Clause in the U.S. Constitution. See Article IV, Section 1.

Judging by the sheer amount of litigation its various sections have generated, particularly Section 1, the so-called 14th amendment is one of the worst pieces of legislation ever written in American history.
The phrase “subject to the jurisdiction of the United Statesâ€

Posted on Fri, Oct. 19, 2007
Immigration activists criticize FHP
BY ALFONSO CHARDY
Immigration advocates and community activists in Homestead criticized the Florida Highway Patrol for its role in a traffic stop of a Mexican couple that was later deported and separated from their 11-year-old son.
Speaking at a news conference in Homestead, Carlos Pereira, an attorney who represents the Mexican consulate, said his firm planned to send letters to the FHP and federal immigration agencies to complain about the handling of the incident.

The couple and a male friend were stopped on Sept. 22 by a trooper who asked about their immigration status. When husband Constantino Vásquez-Tapia couldn't produce a driver's license, the officer called U.S. Border Patrol authorities, who then took the couple and placed them in a detention facility in Pompano Beach.

The couple and their 11-year-old were reunited on Thursday when U.S. authorities accompanied the boy on a flight to the parent's hometown of Morelia, Mexico.

The case illustrates the controversy about the proper role of local and state police in detaining undocumented migrants during routine traffic stops -- an issue that remains unsettled because there is no uniform Florida policy about when local law enforcement can ask immigrants if they are in the country illegally.

Immigration enforcement is a federal responsibility, and undocumented status is not a criminal offense.

Maj. Ernesto Duarte, an FHP spokesman, said it is state troopers' practice to contact immigration authorities if, during traffic stops, they encounter foreign nationals who admit to being in the country illegally or who are suspected of not having proper immigration documents.

''Our troopers are not actively seeking illegal immigrants,'' Duarte said.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breakin ... 77409.html